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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2020, 02:34:57 PM »

I think a big problem with all these large ships is going to be the costs of running them.     The American stuff has done well because of so many veteran volunteers manning them - but they are literally dying out - and a lot of the visitors would have been ex-services - and they are dying out too.   

UK has a much smaller pool of volunteers so I think generating any kind of profit will be difficult.        People can also get their 1-day 'old warship' hit all in one go at Portsmouth - why bother going anywhere else?

I suspect a lot of these preserved ships will just quietly disappear in the next 10-20 years.   (mirroring model boating as a hobby?)
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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2020, 03:19:45 PM »

I am afraid so , reminds me of the last time Old Albion was skint after WW II . In 1949 HMS Implacable (Ex Duguay-Trouin 1800) almost as old as Victory and still reasonably sound with a history as long as your arm was found to be unaffordable, towed out of Portsmouth and blown to smithereens off the Isle of Wight .  It is certain that in the wake of the corona pandemic when the reckoning has to be done and making repayments for our borrowing must be faced, many cherished projects will be abandoned and our cloth cut to suit our reduced means.
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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2020, 12:35:19 PM »

Nearly forty years ago, it doesn't bear thinking about does it!
Looked at some photo's of Op Corporate and in the 38 years since I can still fit into my uniform, well the boots and beret the rest seems to have shrunk.
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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2020, 01:13:03 PM »

With the amount the government has borrowed recently, you may have a new carrier to put up as a museum to help keep it financed in reserve.!!
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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2020, 02:51:44 PM »

With the amount the government has borrowed recently, you may have a new carrier to put up as a museum to help keep it financed in reserve.!!


  I thought that they had one of them chalked up as a possible HULK for illegal immigrants.
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« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2020, 01:50:48 PM »

Are they big enough!!
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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2020, 07:59:33 PM »

No need to use a carrier for this, there will be plenty of cruise liners going cheap.
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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2020, 04:29:25 PM »

Watching the series on Queen Elizabeth's first tour to the US to test land and cycle the F35, there were a number of conventions held aboard her in the Hangar, which did make me wonder at one of her roles as a flag flier/ambassador.


If this is the case then potential use for Hermes as a floating convention centre would be put at even greater risk, if our Carriers also have to solicit themselves as such during their fifty year lives.



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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2020, 11:34:32 PM »

Ian...I think the level of Security for such an event onboard HMS Queen Elizabeth [RO8] would take a Brigade of Royal Marines to implement and ensure such safety  :police:  .....the same would apply for a standard [lavish] onboard Naval Banquet


1. Goodness knows the planed itinerary of RO8, but I doubt she will venture too far a field or toward troubled waters
2. How many Royal Marines does it take to makes a Brigade?

3. Now The Royal Marines Captain General [Duke of Sussex] is in exile, it appears his 69 year old Aunt has taken over the reigns?
...[reigns sounds appropriate as Captain General Anne may ride a horse?]

Derek ....[this is not intended as a Political/Royalist comment posting]
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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2020, 08:56:56 AM »

Looked at some photo's of Op Corporate and in the 38 years since I can still fit into my uniform, well the boots and beret the rest seems to have shrunk.


Strange that, my uniforms seem to have shrunk too. Including my boots, my issued DMS boots were 12M and fitted fine, I now have to buy 13's or even 14's if they are a narrow fit. Perhaps I'm collapsing into my feet, or more likely, the increased load is making my feet bigger.
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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2020, 09:10:40 AM »


You got it BeeJay :-))  as we grow older........we need larger size or width shoes........


[I might save my collection of good leather shoes & boots for a Grandchild]


https://www.berkeleywellness.com/self-care/article/do-feet-really-get-bigger-age


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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2020, 11:39:48 AM »

Looked at some photo's of Op Corporate and in the 38 years since I can still fit into my uniform, well the boots and beret the rest seems to have shrunk
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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2020, 10:13:49 AM »

Ian...I think the level of Security for such an event onboard HMS Queen Elizabeth [RO8] would take a Brigade of Royal Marines to implement and ensure such safety  :police:  .....the same would apply for a standard [lavish] onboard Naval Banquet


1. Goodness knows the planed itinerary of RO8, but I doubt she will venture too far a field or toward troubled waters
2. How many Royal Marines does it take to makes a Brigade?

3. Now The Royal Marines Captain General [Duke of Sussex] is in exile, it appears his 69 year old Aunt has taken over the reigns?
...[reigns sounds appropriate as Captain General Anne may ride a horse?]

Derek ....[this is not intended as a Political/Royalist comment posting]
Can answer question 3, 3 Commando Units/Btn/Regt (however you would designate a RM Commando) plus 29 Cdo Rgt Royal Artillery, Commando Squadron Royal Engineers, Commando Logistics Rgt Royal Loggies, last but certainly not least 148 Bty NGFS Bty RA. All support unit troops have to pass the All Arms Commando Course and obtain their Green Lid.
Should add the first duty of the Royal Navy in foreign parts is to organize a good cocktail party.
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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2020, 10:58:48 AM »

Thanks old_gunner .....although a off the original thread content, I was interested in understanding the level of security needed in todays World for a Nations Principal Military assets


Going back 30 something years, I saw the Carrier USS Enterprise anchored in Sydney Harbour, and later the Battleship USS Missouri moored at our Australian Naval Base, Garden Island Dockyard


The level of security for both occasions was could I suggest at a heightened level.........so 30 years onwards, I would expect the need for security be at a further heightened level ...so my question, how many Marines does a Brigade make?


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Re: HMS Hermes
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2020, 11:11:21 AM »

from t'internet a brigade is anything up to 5000 men comprising of several battalions, but it says that usually 35 to 55 are assigned to large warships so I would guess 55 for a carrier, 35 for the rest - but they only deploy from their bases which is where the brigade is stationed.
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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2020, 01:26:22 PM »

from t'internet a brigade is anything up to 5000 men comprising of several battalions, but it says that usually 35 to 55 are assigned to large warships so I would guess 55 for a carrier, 35 for the rest - but they only deploy from their bases which is where the brigade is stationed.
You are quite right, however for the Army, the problem with a Commando Brigade is the Royal marines only have about 7500 troops, so if we take the Commando Brigade on Op Corporate (The Falklands) it had added to the Brigade Battalions of the parachute regiment. This made the journey down on the Canberra quite interesting as there is a certain rivalry between the units.
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