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Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« on: November 06, 2020, 04:53:16 pm »

Hi folks,


Being a big fan of Fairey marine products, Huntress, Huntsman, Swordsman etc and seeing there is a strong liking on here for them too, I was wondering if anyone had built a model of the Solent Spear, seeing as it shares it's hull design/shape with the Faireys of yesteryear?


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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2020, 09:33:05 pm »

How long is the Solent Spear Will ?
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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2020, 09:47:49 pm »

Bob,

34' 9" length, 11' 9" beam.

I'm thinking a lengthened and modified transom Huntsman 31 hull might be the one to use.

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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2020, 10:10:52 pm »

I wonder if the 34" Huntsman hull would work for a 1/12 scale Solent Spear?



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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2020, 10:24:31 pm »

Yes, it may well do.
The bow has the right flare to it, just the transom to modify and then obviously the superstructure.


Looking at some of the pictures I have found online, I have a feeling that there may have been more than version/length of the Spear.
I will have to do some more research.


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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2020, 10:25:17 pm »

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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2020, 10:25:56 pm »

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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2020, 12:44:18 am »

According to my Fairey book the only length is 34 feet with a beam of 11 feet. Only 4 or 5 were built with most being the one shown.

Another example is of a sleeker open cockpit version where the screen is lower and slopes down towards the rear. Otherwise identical, less practical but better looking.

The Huntsman 31 is 31 feet 3 inches long with a 9 feet 3 inch beam.


Your search is probably bringing up the Fairey Spear which is based on the Spearfish hull (transom as per the Huntsman) which was for the military and police market.

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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2020, 02:42:19 am »

Hi Lads


Dam nice looking boat, but all The Fairey's look that way !!!


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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2020, 10:15:32 am »

I had a conversation with Bob Zooma a couple of weeks ago regarding the next one for me after Ultima Dea and I thought of going for a non-kitted Fairey, the Spear being an option. BUT I concluded that, in a sense the same as Canabus, that all Faireys look the same :embarrassed:
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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2020, 10:24:43 am »

Hi All
The cabin does not too much of a problem to make, but the stern may require a fair bit more work !!!


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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2020, 10:27:24 am »

I had a conversation with Bob Zooma a couple of weeks ago regarding the next one for me after Ultima Dea and I thought of going for a non-kitted Fairey, the Spear being an option. BUT I concluded that, in a sense the same as Canabus, that all Faireys look the same :embarrassed:


They all look as elegant as each on the water Tony - but this one definitely has a  different look - and nobody has ever made a model of one  - so it could be an ideal "first Fairey" for you  :-))
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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2020, 11:40:20 am »

Nah! Don't get me wrong. I fully appreciate the Fairey style and longevity but they've developed a hull form and quality and they, quite rightly, stick to a successful formula.BUT I've always, from Greek gunboats, water-jet drive Victorian torpedo boats, Iranian rocket boats etc., tried to model oddities. It's just the way my mind works.
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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2020, 01:04:45 pm »


I get what you're saying Tony.
Maybe it's one I will have to attempt myself one day, maybe.


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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2020, 01:39:25 pm »

I know what you mean as well Tony. Whilst I probably won't be doing any builds as extreme as yours I have some builds in mind/being drawn up that are a bit different to the usual Faireys and which I don't think have been done before and I certainly fancy doing something with a water jet if I can find one to suit 1:12.

But I wanted to build the classics as well as the more unusual ones which includes the River Cruiser that was a prototype and is well advanced.

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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2020, 04:37:16 pm »

It would appear that there are a few of us that would quite like to build a 1/12 scale model of the Solent Spear.


These are no known drawings of this craft and it has never been kitted, so by pooling our resources on this thread we may be able to help each other


ChrisF has advised that the size of the Spear hull is 34ft x 11 ft.


I measure the g/f Huntsman hull I am currently working on - and guess what?  - it is 34' x 11" - exactly the right size for a 1/12 scale Solent Spear ! :-))
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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2020, 04:46:26 pm »

Now we know that the 34" long 1/11th scale Precedent Huntsman has the correct dimensions and hull profile to use as a base for a perfect 1/12 scale Solent Spear -  a "new-build" from the Modav/early Precedent kit plans could be the way to go?


Changing the keel shape at the transom end to include the reverse angle of the Spear transom and adding the correct transom curvature is all that would be needed to make a perfect Solent Spear hull to base the model on.


If we could find some drawings for the Spear it would not be too difficult to graft these details onto this hull, and then the superstructure could be added too!



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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2020, 06:42:28 pm »

I don't know whether it's any use in terms of the basic structure but I've used the framing and method that Dave M planned for the SLEC models for Ultima Dea. It's very simple to modify to suit the dimensions and layout using a deck layout chine line and keel line as the only 3 factors and a bit of playing about. The only other data I use was the transom angle which you'll get from the stern photo.
You might find the attached interesting as well.
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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2020, 07:19:26 pm »

Thanks for the download Tony.


I have just printed it out and added it to my increasingly thick Fairey Folder.


Maybe with all this stored away information on the subject you are a secret Fairey Fancier ? O0
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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2020, 08:26:26 pm »

As a matter of interest - does anyone know how the 34ft length of the Solent Spear is measured?


This may well sound like a daft question - but........................



If it is measured along the "deck-line" then the steeply angled stern would be added onto the length of the 34" Huntsman hull (to make a 1/12 scale model), but if it is measured under water (to give the overall length of the hull) then the bow to stern deck length of the 34" Huntsman hull would need to be shortened as the hull is longer under-water than it is along the deck line.
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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2020, 09:55:02 pm »

I don't know but as the bathing platform is so substantial and moulded as part of the hull I would think that the platform is included in the length and that protrudes further than the underwater part of the hull? Therefore the 34" Huntsman hull would be a bit too long.

I reckon that the angle of the transom is about 60 degrees.

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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2020, 10:16:56 pm »

I don't know but as the bathing platform is so substantial and moulded as part of the hull I would think that the platform is included in the length and that protrudes further than the underwater part of the hull? Therefore the 34" Huntsman hull would be a bit too long.

I reckon that the angle of the transom is about 60 degrees.

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If the bottom edge of the standard 31 transom was used as a measurement reference point to later be the back edge of the bathing platform and the transom would therefore rake forward from ahead of that, then do you think the 34" hull would be too long? The plan would have to be altered aft anyway, so the previous length aft would only be used for length reference.


If you get what I'm trying to say.


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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2020, 10:18:00 pm »

Didn't MFA put out a kit of a Spear?
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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2020, 10:19:15 pm »

Didn't MFA put out a kit of a Spear?


No, that was a Spearfish. Different design and transom shape.
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Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2020, 10:41:52 pm »

and they did a Fantome as well.
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