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[DBS88]

Mark just fantastic - and what you have said there is just sinking in, planked inside and out! so none of all your beautiful work so far will be visible? I nearly cried at the thought

[warspite]

No, I think he mentioned earlier that one side only so as not to hide the detail 

[Mark T]

Hi both - yes warspite is right I’m going to leave some of it exposed

[DJW]

Beautiful workmanship Mark.  And whether its exposed or not, you'll know it's been done right..!


Best regards
David.

[Mark T]

Beautiful workmanship Mark.  And whether its exposed or not, you'll know it's been done right..!


Best regards
David.

Thanks David 


So another update - It's taken me quite a while to get on with the inside planking as I have had a bit of trouble interpreting the drawings again.  There is no flat plan of the planking and I could not find a way of making out the planks as I do on the outside.  So I applied some common sense such as not going up the stem too quickly and only tapering the planks to half their width.


I began as usual by marking out the planks taper and then popping it in my planking vice to be planed to size.








I then clamp the two planks together to ensure that they are a mirror image and then use heat to edge bend them into shape.











Next clamp them in place on the hull and repeat this process for the other planks











I've now made two complete strakes and this is where I am now.  The missing plank by the keelson is the limber channel for drainage by the ships pumps.  This plank is slightly different and is removable and I will make this at a later date.














I'll put another post up in a few weekends once I've made the seven strakes that I'm going to install at this point in the build


Cheers Mark

[Jerry C]

Hi Mark, speaking generally now, decide how many planks required from keel to deck.  The garboard planks are usually straight, of uniform width and faired in to the stem and transom. Mark all vertical frame stations with the positions of top of each plank, (they will be progressively narrower towards stem and transom and you divide up the vertical length of each frame by the number of planks). Having internal as well as external frames is a complication but you should still be able to mark out the lower edge of each plank from inside hull. The top of each plank  is marked externally as you know the width of each plank at each frame station. The stock for each plank gets progressively wider as you move towards deck level to  such an extent that you may need to  make the sheer strake in two parts with a scarf joint. This method avoids having to make filler pieces near bow and stern o you have equal number of planks on each frame.
Make two identical planks and fit one each side. Always work in pairs to avoid twisting strain. On clinker hull I managed two pairs of planks per day but carvel is a little quicker.

Let me know if this makes sense???


Jerry C.

[Mark T]

Hi ya Jerry


Yes that all makes sense to me 


I know the width of the internal planks at their widest point and I know exactly how many I need to complete the job.  I also know that I need to have about 2 or 3 drop planks internally to keep the planks at 1/2 width at the stem and I also know that I will have to widen the planks at the stern.


I've tried so many times to calculate each plank as I have done in the past and I just can't quite work it out.  So I think I just need to adjust as I make each strake.  I must be honest planking internally is much much harder than externally.


I actually think I need to be more like a shipwright doing this and just get the job done and think about it a lot less.


BTW Angelica looks great with her new painted bottom 


Cheers Mark

[Jerry C]

When I built Wear I remember using a bendy strip of Formica for marking out for the planking but can’t remember how.  It might be worth having a look on my build in steam??? It’s pretty near the start.


Jerry C. 

[Jerry C]

Disregard previous Mark,  it was used as a guide for mini plane chamfering previous plank top edge. Only used for clinker build.
I used to believe clinker was the pinnacle of the boat builders art having learned when assisting rebuilding a 27’ Montague Whaler that had been in the battle of Jutland. I’ve had a rethink of that opinion as your build is a quantum leap ahead. Respect matey.





Jerry C.

[Mark T]

Hi All


It's been a while since I posted and thats because I have found planking inside the hull a whole new different ball game.  I thought that I had started off really well until it came to sanding it down.  As I hadn't bent the planks correctly at the stem I soon started to sand completely through them and the results are shown below.





Also the joints were not good enough and planning the planking run proved to be very difficult................so I ripped the whole lot out and started again.


Six weeks later I'm now happy with the results 














So the next job is to put all of the nails into the planks, deck clamp, keelson and breast hook.  The plans state that the nail heads in the planks should be 1/5 the size of the thickness of the planks.  So the planks are 1.6mm thick so the nails need to be 0.3mm in diameter.  I've made up a test peice that I think looks ok.





So loads of nails to install and thanks for hanging in there 


Mark

[Capt Podge]

Glad to see you had the courage to rip out and lay afresh Mark - after all that you have achieved to date, just going ahead with the damaged planks would have been a bitter pill to swallow.


... and your test piece looks good to me mate 


Ray.

[Mark T]

Hi Ray and great to hear from you 


Now here's the thing - Once completed these planks will never been seen again apart from a small view from the side.  I could have just left it and it would have not affected the finished ship...........but I just couldn't!


For me its just about doing the best that I can and it'll be finished when it is.


Hope your well mate 

[Capt Podge]

Yeah, we're all good here Mark thanks.


Hoping to get started on another model soon 


Ray.

[SailorGreg]

If at first you don't succeed.....  Excellent recovery Mark.  And the fact that nobody will see most of it when finished matters not a jot - it's your satisfaction that matters. 

Greg

[Mark T]

If at first you don't succeed.....  Excellent recovery Mark.  And the fact that nobody will see most of it when finished matters not a jot - it's your satisfaction that matters. 

Greg

Hi Greg - spot on mate     Thanks for the comments and I think that we all get points in our builds where we just know that we need to start again.  Its not a defeat but simply a learning curve.

[Mark T]

Hi All


The nailing is now complete that I intended to do and its come out ok     I think there are about 1000 nails in total.


Pictures before sanding with the nails still sticking out.








Pictures after sanding.

















So now the hull is rigid and strong enough to fair the outside of the hull.  I've been looking forward to this part for quite a while!!


I'll keep you posted


Cheers Mark

[DBS88]

Mark, simply stunning, your work and this build is astounding, well done

[Martin (Admin)]

Mark, simply stunning, your work and this build is astounding, well done

                         

[Capt Podge]

Once again you have made an outstanding job on those planks and nails and full credit for your determination to 'get it right'.


You can be justifiably proud of your progress to date...


Well done mate.


Aye,
Ray.

[Mark T]

Hi lads - thanks for the really nice comments I just don't know what to say 


So she's faired     When I started this foolish mission I always thought in my own mind that if I could get this far then I could complete her.  I faired it completely by hand with no power tools which is why it took me so long.


Honestly I'm so chuffed to see her correct lines for the first time after all of this time and its been well worth it.


The next job is to mark out and cut her top timbers which will make her look even better.


Some pictures below and thanks for all of the support - Mark
































 

[dougal99]

Superb work 

[SailorGreg]

Still following.  Still hugely impressed. 
 

Greg

[Mark T]

Thanks guys for the nice comments 


Ok the top timbers are now cut to length and she's looking a bit smarter














Now the bad news - I've made the transom incorrectly due to my inexperience.  The transom filling pieces do not line up with the wing transom rabbet.  This is a major problem at this point in the build.











It's so obvious to me now but when I made these pieces I knew a lot less about a ships anatomy and how all of the parts work together to make the whole.  So I now have a couple of choices.


1.  I can laminate more wood onto the transom filling pieces to get the correct shape but I know that this will look bad.


2.  I can bodge it by cutting the rabbet deeper to suit and change the shape of the stern of the ship a bit.


I need to give this some thought before I move on but either way its not the end of the world 


Cheers Mark

[radiojoe]

Mark what you have achieved so far is nothing short of a masterpiece in ship modelling so don't beat yourself up over a past mistake, whatever you do to get over it I'm darn sure I won't notice it, keep going mate I really want to see this finished. 


Joe.

[Mark T]

Mark what you have achieved so far is nothing short of a masterpiece in ship modelling so don't beat yourself up over a past mistake, whatever you do to get over it I'm darn sure I won't notice it, keep going mate I really want to see this finished. 


Joe.

Hi Joe - really great to here from you mate     Its certainly not insurmountable and its just another problem when building a ship this way.  Now that I can see the problem its just so obvious what I did wrong but we all have to learn a new trade the hard way 


Here's another picture what does exaggerate the problem somewhat but its gives you a better idea of what I need to fix.  The plank that runs under the whale into the rabbet has to be carved as it's far too tight to bend wood.  This will give me quite a bit of leeway too!





Mark