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Mark T

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2021, 06:40:33 pm »

Hi Ray, Greg and Joe  :-)   Cheers lads  :-))


This is a bit of a strange build for me as each frame throws up its own problems.  But to post each problem would just be boring to read it's more of a builders thing.  I'm so used to putting up lots of posts with each stage but this build is not going to be like that it would just be too repetitive.


I think that once the frames are made and I get onto the keel things will get a bit more interesting for the reader.  It will also look more like a ship too.  I have to say though I'm enjoying the challenge very much  O0


Thanks for the encouragement - Mark

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2021, 08:00:42 pm »

What can I say..well nothing it has all been said...awesome work (well I had to add something)  :-))
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #77 on: March 28, 2021, 02:54:05 pm »

Hi Phil - nice one  {-)   Seriously thanks for the nice comments  :-))


I think I need to put this build into a bit of context so here are a couple of pictures of what I'm trying to achieve.  This will hopefully make sense of all of the frames








Today I've finished shaping and bevelling frame 32.  I don't do them in number order I just do the one I pick up first.  I've found that I can do one a day as this one took about 6 hours of sanding.  I've also labelled up the parts of the frame which I think adds a bit more interest.  I can guarantee you that I got some of the names wrong though  {-)














Cheers Mark  :-)

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2021, 03:04:05 pm »

Thanks for the update Mark, those labelled photos do help in understanding the profiles of the frames  O0


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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #79 on: March 30, 2021, 03:31:30 pm »

Congratulations, outstanding woodwork. :-)) :-)) :-))


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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #80 on: March 30, 2021, 07:04:16 pm »

I know futtock is the entirely correct term for those sections of frame, but whenever I see the that word, I can't help thinking of Round the Horne and Kenneth Williams' alter ego J Peasmold Gruntfuttock.

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #81 on: March 30, 2021, 07:25:35 pm »

Ray; Wilhelm thanks very much  :-))


Greg I can see them now back in the 16th century looking at their first frame


Shipwright - "So what do you reckon on that piece of woodwork then; what shall we call it"


Shipowner  - "Well the shape of it reminds me of my wife's buttocks"


Shipwright - "If you call it that mate your a braver man then me"


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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #82 on: March 31, 2021, 09:40:15 am »

I know futtock is the entirely correct term for those sections of frame, but whenever I see the that word, I can't help thinking of Round the Horne and Kenneth Williams' alter ego J Peasmold Gruntfuttock.

 {-) {-)   (I hope you forgive the off-topic diversion)


More likely one carpenter saying to another "that was futtock to carve right"
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #83 on: March 31, 2021, 11:39:02 am »

The most possible origin I have found is that it came from the old english or dutch words meaning foot hook.
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #84 on: March 31, 2021, 08:36:21 pm »

The most possible origin I have found is that it came from the old english or dutch words meaning foot hook.
I would have gone for Old Norse of futt = big & oks = oaks or ek = timber
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #85 on: April 09, 2021, 04:45:43 am »

Absolutely beautiful work Mark T a credit to you  O0 .
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #86 on: April 10, 2021, 01:30:33 pm »

Absolutely beautiful work Mark T a credit to you  O0 .


Thanks Brian  :-))


I've now finished the final 5 frames; they have their bolts and notches for the chocks all in.  I really enjoyed making these 5 as they were by far the hardest frames to make.








So thats all 32 frames made and hopefully when installed they will be ok.  Just a few facts about these frames so that I can remember in years to come


1.  There are 308 individual parts in the 32 frames
2.  There are 1930 scale bolts fitted which took 12 metres of carbon rod
3.  I had to remake 15 frames as my first attempt was not good enough


Here's a very wonkey stack of all of the frames - sorry it was the best I could do  %%














So my next job is to make a start on the keel which I'll start tomorrow.  I just need to work out my wood sizes from the scantlings in the monograph. 


Cheers for hanging on in there on this one - Mark  :-)

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #87 on: April 10, 2021, 02:06:14 pm »


Cheers for hanging on in there on this one - Mark  :-)


Wouldn't want to miss future updates Mark  :o


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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #88 on: April 10, 2021, 03:05:25 pm »

Outstanding work.  :-))
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #89 on: April 10, 2021, 03:27:52 pm »

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #90 on: April 10, 2021, 04:00:36 pm »

What can I say but impressive,  it looks like a sculpture standing on the table which It is really.


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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #91 on: April 10, 2021, 04:06:31 pm »

Ray, Dougal, Greg and Joe thanks very much lads  :-))   A bit of a milestone has passed on this one  O0


I've been photocopying the plans for the keel parts of which there are many. The keelson looks really hard to make but I'll do my usual and tackle one piece at a time.


Thanks for the encouragement  :-)

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #92 on: April 11, 2021, 03:02:42 pm »

I've made a start on the keel and so far so good.  Its getting quite similar for me now - first I find the wood sizes in the scantlings and then scale them down to 1/24.  In the keels case this translated into strips of wood that are 11.25mm x 10.125mm.  So I cut those and then stuck on the photocopy plans and discovered that as they are so long they stretch very easily.  This would throw the plans out so I just kept on checking on the master plan that all was the correct length.





I then cut the scarf joints on the mill - These are such good little machines I would recommend these all day long  O0   I'm not using and end mill here this is a 1/4 diameter router bit.  It rips away wood at an amazing rate.





Here's the joint open and closed - It still needs a bit of a tickle before gluing at a later date but its my first one and I'll take that result  {-)








I'll finish these parts tomorrow;  I need to cut a square tenon hole for the sternpost and then cut the rabbet for the planking.  Then I can start moving forward towards the bow.


Mark  :-)

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #93 on: April 11, 2021, 03:21:23 pm »

It's a pity all this construction detail will br hiden inside what will no doubt a beautiful craft but you will have the great satisfaction of knowing the pains taken work that went into it.


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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #94 on: April 11, 2021, 03:43:04 pm »

It's a pity all this construction detail will br hiden inside what will no doubt a beautiful craft but you will have the great satisfaction of knowing the pains taken work that went into it.


Joe.


Your not wrong Joe - There have been so many bits so far that I could have easily made out of one piece and saved myself so much hassle.  I decided when I started this build that I wanted to make it as per the original 16th century plans.  I'll see if I feel the same next year  {-)   Thanks for the comment mate  :-))

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #95 on: April 12, 2021, 05:30:07 pm »

A bit more done today.  Firstly I cut the square mortice for the stern post and also the rabbet for the planking on the two straight pieces of keel.








Next I made the forefoot and the stem which was easy enough after I had thicknessed some wood for the job.





It then took me all morning and afternoon adjusting the scarf joints to get the keel parts to align exactly with the plan.  This was much harder than I thought it would be but I got there eventually.  They are now glued together on a nice flat granite surface and also a metal 1 metre rule to make sure its all nice and straight.  You can never ever have enough clamps  {-)








I've also made my first lot of tree nails for the scarf joints.  They are box wood and 1mm in diameter - I cut the wood as small as I could on the table saw and then pulled them through a draw plate.  They will be invisible but will add strength to the scarf joints.





I've just realised I'm not sure what the next job is I'll have to look at the plans


Mark  :-)

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #96 on: April 12, 2021, 06:12:16 pm »

Considering the amount of work needed on the keel, I'd suggest you've achieved a damn good day's work mate.  :-))


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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #97 on: April 12, 2021, 07:21:20 pm »

Considering the amount of work needed on the keel, I'd suggest you've achieved a damn good day's work mate.  :-))


Ray.


You know what Ray I feel like I have too today and thanks for the comment mate  O0   Things fit today which is always a great result.  I think there's about another 12 pieces to complete the keel including the rising wood, sternson, keelson, sternpost, false sternpost, stemson and goodness knows what else  {-)   I'll keep you up to date as I work my way through it all  :-))

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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #98 on: April 12, 2021, 07:22:27 pm »

Would the scarf joints in the keel not be bolted rather than trenailed? These needed to be held together very tightly for full strength.
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Re: Marks "Le Rochefort" Build 1/24 Scale
« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2021, 07:31:13 pm »

Would the scarf joints in the keel not be bolted rather than trenailed? These needed to be held together very tightly for full strength.
Jim


Hi Jim you would have thought so wouldn't you but no.  The original plans state that each scarf joint on the keel had 3 tree nails of 20mm diameter.  Also each joint was sealed (I guess with tar) so I can only presume, as I don't really know that it must have been something to do with corrosion.


The keelson is simply nailed to the keel too which is is its opposite half.  I wish they were bolts as I could use carbon again rather than making tree nails.
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