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A question for ex-RMAS crews
« on: January 24, 2021, 04:07:03 pm »

Not just for ex-RMAS crew members (anyone can answer) but Iím interested to know if anyone knows what the underside of either Goosander or Pochard looked like. Specifically the prop(s) and rudder layout. Plenty of above waterline pictures but very little on the internet or in my reference library on the subject and wondered if Dodes or Shipmate60 know the answer.
Any help gratefully received.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2021, 08:29:31 pm »

Hi Nick, will go on the RMAS site to get a outline drawing for you. But they had big barn door rudders fitted to a bottom skeg and there was a cage fitted aft round the screw, 2 or 3 rings with long strips leading forward secured to the rings. I know that because i had a near sistership Goldeneye, were a couple of off bits attaching it to the hull came a drift. Had to fill all the forward ballast tanks and empty the aft ones to get the screw out of the water. Plus they were all CPR screws.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2021, 09:16:24 pm »

Hi David


Many thanks, Iíve just bought a 1/96 scale model of the Goosander (one of the smaller models I have!) but I wasnít too sure about the prop and rudder layout as I can find very little information or drawings on this intriguing little vessel.
It has me interested as Iíve never seen a model of one before.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2021, 03:08:21 am »

Nick,
Where did you get the Goosander from when I was on her I did help someone who wanted to make a model with plans and drawings.
Somewhere I did have some drydocked photos of her in Birkenhead, no idea where they are though


I have a scratch built Salmoor from Beale.


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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2021, 08:12:18 am »

Hi Bob


I bought it on eBay from a seller called Shaun Binden. The model wasnít originally r/c and looks like it was supposed to be a static model.  Itís hand carved internally and there is a hole where a mounting was once attached. The model is 1/96 scale and the outside of the model is very well done with detailing but due to the deck being cut by a previous owner to try to make it r/c it needs some TLC to rebuild the deck area.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2021, 10:48:47 am »

Good ships but let down by their main engines.
After the war a complete class of minesweepers were cancellad after the Paxman Engines had been bought.
Guess which lucky organisation got most of these!!
V16 main engines a whole 750 Bhp but the V6 gen sets werent too bad.


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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2021, 10:52:40 am »

Typically any MoD related behaves like this and gets hand me downs in every department.
Itís amazing how little information on the internet there is about them- Iíve only found a few pictures of them in service.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2021, 03:44:35 pm »

Some photos of the little 1/96 scale Goosander I bought- the last picture is why I ask as Iím not sure whether it is right or not.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2021, 01:38:25 am »

Looks as though the Container type sided H plan profile 'office - accommodation block' may be an addition, as it blocks or covers the free flow of exhaust gases from the engine funnel...which is a Regulatory Design matter


We had a number of similar design vessels on Sydney harbour as Naval stores and anchor handling vessels.......moving mooring anchor weights in the harbour floor for vessels to tie up at


I'll see if I can find a pic......


[PS.....also appears as Boom Defence Vessels & were triple expansion 'steam' engined


have a look at ......https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Bar-class_boom_defence_vessel



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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2021, 08:38:21 pm »

Reference the containers on top, diving team accommodation, she was the one which went south and salvaged the Argentinian submarine. The screw and rudder bears no resemblance to the original. Bob has details of a local member to our group who has a really nice accurate model of her sister ship Goldeneye, perhaps some pics for you can be arranged.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2021, 08:45:50 pm »

John will send some pics.


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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2021, 08:47:08 pm »

Hi David and Bob


Many thanks for the details of certain features and for confirming that the prop and rudder are not correct. Iíd be most grateful for any pictures to correct these features  :-))
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2021, 08:59:27 pm »

Try these:
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2021, 09:00:04 pm »

and this
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2021, 09:14:57 pm »

Hope this pic may help nick, still searching on facebook as in the RMAS sect someone has up loaded a outline drawing of a Duck class.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2021, 10:34:11 pm »

Hi Bob and David


Thatís is fantastic of you both to share. I shall correct the model when I return from my deployment (luckily only one month).
Many thanks lads, thatís what I love about this forum- so many brilliant members willing to help  :-))
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2021, 11:50:36 am »

Found this line drawing of the Pintail, there 6 in total and each pair differed on top with the last two having hydraulic system for the deck machinery, which proved difficult to work as it all came of a single ring main system. Which meant if you were doing a heavy lift and another winch or capstan was used, then this directly affected the main winch speed and power. If you went into the engine room the CP propeller gearbox was bigger than the main engine. An when at sea if you began to punch a strong tidal stream or a heavy wind/sea the engineroom would ring the bridge to tell you to slow down as the engine was starting to overheat. But they were fantastic seaboats very comfortable to be in, sat off the Varne light for six hours in a SW 8to 9 Gale and only made half a mile over the ground, requested entry into Dover Harbour for shelter, refused because they said the harbour had poor holding ground but wait 4.5 hours and perhaps they could lock me into the inner harbour. Could not turn her because of all the heavy salvage gear in the hold and two Trinity House nav bouys on the main hatch. If any one says why was i there it was because I had 5 different forecasts when anchored in the downs the worst was SE 10 immanent from the RN forecasters so i acted on the least worse which was the BBB news.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2021, 03:13:04 pm »

Hi Nick, looks like John has removed the cage from the prop. But that class did have a substantial cage round the props, because of the continual deployment and heaving in wires e.t.c aft and anchors etc.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2021, 03:55:02 pm »

Couple off pics for you, also she was the last vessel to run under D603 agreement.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2021, 03:58:40 pm »

Pics of her relaying shallow dg range at Burntislnd on the Forth.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2021, 05:05:29 pm »

Hi Nick, in case you are wondering about the Forward anchor chain cable. They had none, the anchors were secured close to hawse pipe and if the ancor was required you secured a forward mains working wire to it and deployed. In the last pic she had both anchors out plus the aft two stern anchors to keep her in a 4 point moor. For years she had one master called Alister Mc Gregor, small fellow who was a wizard at these craft and the Mooring & Salvage Officers had great respect for him.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2021, 04:52:54 pm »

Hi Nick a rough sketch of what was fitted to Goldeneye.
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Re: A question for ex-RMAS crews
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2021, 06:43:13 pm »

Hi David


Great information, itís great to how these vessels were used. The picture are fantastic and when I return home after this deployment they will be put to good use.
Many thanks for your outstanding assistance as always.
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