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Next Build
« on: January 28, 2021, 01:39:40 pm »

MY Grand banks build hopefully will be finished in March my intention then will be to finish the 1/200 Yamato  and the U S S Whitehall. I have enclosed a copy of the plans for a future build any ideas? I am sure you will guess what it is. Hopefully before the end of the year I hope to start on my second Escort carrier two on display would be something to see




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Re: Next Build
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2021, 02:29:06 pm »

I trust you're putting a glow motor in %)
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2021, 03:35:55 pm »

What is  a glow motor?


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Re: Next Build
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2021, 06:22:56 pm »

I trust you're putting a glow motor in %)
Yeah - that's what the plan seems to show - I wonder how fast this ship must be - I'd be scared to drive it! :o
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2021, 06:32:12 pm »

Yeah it certainly shows a glow engine, seems well OTT to me, even on idle it would be too fast for a cargo ship.  {:-{  I doubt Stan would fit a glow engine I'm just surprised to see one in a ship plan.




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Re: Next Build
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2021, 06:41:24 pm »

The glow engine should give some idea of the time period this model was produced. You can be assured I will not be fitting one during the build  and lots of the wood will be scrapped.  Any idea on the kit?


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Re: Next Build
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2021, 06:54:53 pm »

Stan what escort carrier will you build,my favorite is CVE9 Uss Bogue have over 30 years of research on her use to talk to her ex crew and was given the membership of a Bogues Rogue Member only non ex crew to have this .No crew around anymore ,I use to talk to Ralph Hiestand deck landing  officer when doing my research we communicated three times the length of the war do so love the Escort carriers just my two cents worth stay safe tassie48
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2021, 07:00:19 pm »

Similar layout to a Victory Ship?
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2021, 07:12:14 pm »

Similar layout to a Victory Ship?
Yeah - but there's lots of variations of the basic design and 1-off versions.
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2021, 07:21:23 pm »

Hi Tassie yes it will be a Bogue class the U S S Cophahee C V E 12. I have two very interesting aircraft for this model 1/100 scale Catalinas. Still any thoughts on the kit?




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Re: Next Build
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2021, 07:49:24 pm »

Yeah - but there's lots of variations of the basic design and 1-off versions.
Oh, you want the complicated bit?
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2021, 07:56:52 pm »

If Possible
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2021, 08:36:42 pm »

American scout Stan?
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2021, 10:07:08 pm »

Hi about 3 years ago I had the opportunity to buy an American Scout kit.  I had a good look inside and declined I am afraid it was full of very ordinary looking balsa blocks.
If you have the plans don't bother with the kit, expected standards have gone up so much in the last decades.  Having said that she is a lovely looking boat and well worth building.

If you check out the forum Model Ship World you will find the kit mentioned.

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Re: Next Build
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2021, 11:03:46 pm »

Hi if you look at my earlier post I did say most of the timber will be scrapped and replaced with lite ply. Extensive use of plastic card for the superstructure . The model has a scale of 1/110 I had thought about scaling to 1/96 this  would make the model 58inches long and 8 inch beam. You are right about what model builders expect today but with a little extra work you should be able to build a fine model. With regards to balsa blocks many are still used in construction




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Re: Next Build
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2021, 12:31:51 am »

Stan at the end of Ww2 these carriers carried a odd collection of planes home to the US ,Japanese aircraft etc also they did deliveries have some photos of them just loaded with replacement planes one carrier had a full flight deck full of P38 Lighting on deck going to the front line ,you could not pick a better model. Did you no Hms Charger later Uss Charger was a escort carrier rebuilt after the war as Shaw Saville liner Fairsea  took thousands of people after the war to Australia tassie48
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2021, 03:25:01 am »

Hi if you look at my earlier post I did say most of the timber will be scrapped and replaced with lite ply. Extensive use of plastic card for the superstructure . The model has a scale of 1/110 I had thought about scaling to 1/96 this  would make the model 58inches long and 8 inch beam. You are right about what model builders expect today but with a little extra work you should be able to build a fine model. With regards to balsa blocks many are still used in construction
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If you're going to be scratch-building all of this model, why not build one of the other cargo vessels from the era?      I've seen loads of American Scouts for sale - it's almost like the Revell Corvette.       Have you considered anything challenging based on common WW2 surplus cargo ships - like the USNS Vandenberg?  O0
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2021, 08:08:13 am »

I suspect it will be built out of the box lacking space for the 58 inch model. Over my many years in this hobby I have not seen many models of this type. My kit was purchased well over twenty years ago and I understand that it went out of production a long time ago. Personally like most kits I build I will put my own personal stamp on it.




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Re: Next Build
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2021, 08:41:59 am »

Hi Stan I agree with you, when experience comes over the years, the kit is just the starting block. 

 It is like that poor cat that has experienced so many ways of early termination!

Do let us know how you get on though.  I built a small cargo boat and found that old transmitter antenna taken apart yielded very nice cargo masts and cranes.  Very light as well.
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2021, 10:58:48 am »

I have no doubt that this will be another exceptional build from you Stan, I just find it so strange that anyone would do a plan of a cargo vessel with a IC engine, first you have the age old problem of starting the thing and then keeping it running while you replace the superstructure and then have the ship take off as soon as it hit the water, I know electric motors have come a long way since the time when this plan was drawn but surely there would have been a suitable one available back then, even if controlled with a Bob's Board.


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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2021, 11:16:47 am »

Hi radiojoe. I suspect when the plan was drawn the only option was a small i/c engine.  It was not so much the electric motors but the batteries. 
The only small batteries then were ex-WD and they were low Ahrs lead acid there were some batteries about 2 amp hour for models but first they had to be filled with acid kept upright and then there was trying to find a charger.

 It was all DIY.  Bobs boards were a distant furure when proportional RC was available at a low price.

We are talking single switch controls on the Tx and 45 volts for the Rx.  tuned reeds and no crystals.
I started off my first RC boats with dry batteries for driving the motor.  I had a relay sequencing system to give fwd hallf, fwd full. stop. rev half, rev full, stop.  I used U2 cells now classified as D type.  You had to have a good memory but as the boats did not go that fast, time was not so much of a problem.  I am talking 1958, so quite a while back now.
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2021, 11:42:47 am »

Yeah I agree with you on the batteries Roy, in the 60's I ran a couple of boats on EverReady lantern batteries not ideal but to me better than an IC engine for a slow type of boat, back then I did venture into building a fast boat with a marine diesel, never again, I converted it to electric in the 80's when motors/batteries had advanced somewhat, still have the boat today.


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Re: Next Build
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2021, 12:17:55 pm »

I recall in 1959 while in the RAF I was doing modifications on G3 navigation equip.  Part of one mod was to remove the fan motor and replace it. 
It was a daft idea as these motors would outlast the airframe they were very nice as well.  Very tempting I think they may have been 24 volt Pitman type but each one had to be accounted for so never 'lost' any.
We had some small batteries in the Canberra aircraft these came from 1.5 Ah 6 volts not sure how long the instruments would last on those.  But buried deep was a, or maybe several NiFe cells which came into play when all else was lost.  It was big and helped ballance the aircraft I suspect!
You could buy Nife cells but they were very heavy (the Fe component).  The first small cells light and heavy discharge were the silver zinc rechargeable but they only lasted about 25 charges and were expensive.  But that was what the 30 Watt electric class was based on.
The round Deac batteries were good I still have a working pack of these.  Then the Nicads hit the streets!  The 1.2 Ah sub-C cell was actually designed for model aircraft flying.
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Re: Next Build
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2021, 12:21:33 pm »

I remember back in the day, the Robbe Progo was the first electric rc plane I ever saw - a Cessna 172 type - in the mid 70s.   They sold them in Beatties.
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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2021, 12:37:50 pm »

HI Guys the kit is the American Scout made by U S kit maker Sterling. I suspect the model dates back to the 1950 era. The plans show a valve type receiver and the batteries look like wet types not sealed gel  like we use today. You do have the option shown on the plan to fit a electric motor and gear box . When this hits the build board it will have all best modern items fitted from build materials to the electronics.


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