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Herman-the-German

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Armed Tramp Steamer
« on: February 17, 2021, 10:36:41 pm »

I found a model of an armed Tramp Steamer in the Internet.
Would this be a possible configuration for a Ship like this or would this be unrealistic ? I would be use Deans Marine Melanie. Here is the Link
https://www.seadoggamestudios.com/products/tramp-steamer-armed-transport
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2021, 01:33:58 pm »

HiSome pictures of the only photos of real Q ships Barolong the most famous these are about Melanie sizehope these help Ron
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2021, 01:35:15 pm »

this time with the pics attached Ron
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2021, 02:10:26 pm »

It's a little bit heavily armed for a merchantman, most had one stern gun and 2-4 AA pieces.  One thing you could add is a lot of liferafts on angled platforms, ready to be released at a moment's notice.
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2021, 02:35:52 pm »

Depends whether Tobi wants a Q ship or not. If you make a search for Harold Auten VC or Suffolk Coast you'll find more film/photo archives. Suffolk Coast ended up as an exhibit travelling round the country post-war to show what a Q ship was all about. It's a case of deciding whether a Q ship per se is a disguised raider, such as Kormoran or Pinguin etc or a disguised u-boat enticement, which was the RN original WW1 purpose. To that end you even had a trawler disguised as a downed airship or towing an RN sub which would counter attack an attacking u-boat.If you read Patrick Campbell VC's book, his tramp carried up to 6 guns plus d/c's and torpedo tubes, all hidden away from a cursory inspection. This was especially necessary when in the Channel approaches or the Atlantic because home port could be Queensferry which was known as a hostile location in Ireland. Repairs, coaling, re-arming etc. had to be done by the crew, simply because of the lack of trust in the locals. If I remember correctly he ended up with a crew of over 80 at one stage. It's a great but dated read.
 
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2021, 06:27:42 pm »

Hi there from Germany
Many thanks for you all reply‘s !!! Please appologize my grammar aso...
there are Great Infos for me, i am not especially Look for an q-ship, just an armed Tramp Steamer and a a Ship would be there a very interesting Variant. I only found this heavily armed merchant Ship very interesting. So i tought i ask directly the specialits if search and search.. in Germany the maritime sector is Not so big then in the uk. Every interesting Websites i found in the uk. And the Last post Sounds very interesting, i like many guns on a Ship  :-) [size=78%] best Ship for me would be a anti-aircraft-battle-sub-chaser merchant Ship [/size] :}
So with your Infos i can work , i just looked for some english books about q-ships and armed merchant ships, there a some Good things on the market. So i dont understand all words directly but Google would help me i think  :-))
It is nice to hear because read from you all 
Stay all healthy and take care
Regards from Germany
Tobi
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2021, 09:32:41 am »

I mentioned the raider Pinguin. She was a bit bigger than Melanie but the original plans are here and they may give a better idea.   http://dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/KM_Pinguin_1939/
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2021, 08:19:43 pm »

This vessel was a Naval armament vessel, she probably was fitted with a 12pdr gun aft, but she was quitely heavily armed to commercial vessels. Have had a quick look through my copy of "Coasters go to war" and as previously mention a small gun mounting aft for a 6/12pdr possibly light a/a on the bridge wings. But the book does give a lot of old coasters pre and after the war, to get a feel for vessel type. Hope you succeed and put it on this site, would love to see it a change from the usual.


 
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2021, 10:11:26 pm »

Oh there a some great ideas/infos! Yes i would be post the here the pics from the building, i think it would be become then a little bit Ship with no historic model/exemplar. Maybe an own version, but with historic correct armament and fittings.
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2021, 11:50:10 pm »

I'll definitely look in when you get started Tobi O0


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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2021, 09:27:35 am »


Thank for the pics
I just ordered three books about q-ships (all WW1) but i think there i would find some Good ideas and Infos about all armament and Equipment.
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2021, 12:32:26 pm »

Hi Tobi,
A good move!
You may find these of use.
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2021, 03:17:45 pm »

Great ! Yes i looked for this stick bomb thrower, like at the q-ship Hyderabad! I just search them at „shapeways“ as an 3-D Print. Thank you !
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2021, 04:54:59 pm »

Good luck with Shapeways but I think you may have to make it yourself. Sorry!
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Re: Armed Tramp Steamer
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2021, 04:46:03 pm »

Remember an old master mariner lecturer reminiscing about early defensive weapons fitted early in the war, apart from old WW1 machine guns, he mentioned a system which was a rocket fired vertically in front of a plane, attached was a wire which had a grenade fitted on the end. Apparently the idea was as the plane flew on the wire went over the wing edge and the grenade was supposed to detonate by the wing, he shrugged his shoulders and said one of the many funny things dreamed up at the start of the war. 
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2021, 05:01:13 pm »

Yes, they were known as PAC rockets and pretty useless, quite a bit of information online such as this:

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_UP.php

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