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MartinH-K

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HMS Hood
« on: October 19, 2007, 07:33:04 pm »

Hi
My name is Martin and I'm a noob on the forum. Ive been a member of the Scale Model Forum for a while and a friend over there suggested I come over here as well. I've just started a new scratch build of HMS Hood in 1/35 scale. Yes, that is not mis-typed. It will result (all things being equal) in a manned model of some 25 feet. Based on the 1931 incarnation, she will have a scaled Fairey Firefly F111f launching from a (springloaded) catapult, smoke pouring from her stacks and all 15" guns will fire (compressed air fired spuds!). She will have a r/c escort Battle class destroyer (eventually and when I can find some plans...) and be operated by two, sitting fully enclosed beneath the deck housings. This is a three year build plan but I anticipate sea trials by July next year. I would be grateful and will ask for help and hints even if the comments are... "you are nuts!" I'm based in Bristol and would love to link up with any like minded folk in this area. My wife is looking at me sideways... but I have sort of turned the back garden (and our ding room) into a boat yard!
Thanks for letting me 'rabbit' on and, from the tone of the posts I've read, this is another great place to chat and share.
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 08:02:08 pm »

Now THAT is going to be an instesting build!  :o

Any pictures yet?

Oh, and welcome to the forum!   :)
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 08:39:37 pm »

Hi Martin, welcome to the madhouse!! ::)

It's nice to know that I'm not the only loony on the forum who likes to build BIG!!


By by the way, my wife has already measured me up for one of those nice jackets that button up the back!! 8)

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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2007, 09:15:36 pm »

MartinH-K,
If you check the Mayhem Home Page under Beal Park Model Boat Show you will see 1 of the manned models made by he Portsmouth Display team.
It might give you some ideas how others do it.

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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2007, 12:19:09 am »

Couldn't find the model but I'm in much touch wuth Duncan who is a serious source of really good ideas. I will post up some piccies if someone can explain 'how'.
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2007, 10:26:49 am »

Martin,
Try this link, it shows them being built.

http://www.pmbdt.co.uk/   &   http://www.pmbdt.co.uk/Gallery2.htm


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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2007, 10:54:41 am »

Those are quite awesome aren't they...
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2007, 01:25:29 pm »

I know a guy who sails at basingstoke on a regular basis and he is in the middle of building a Fleet scale Hood over 6 feet long its a nice size on the lake.

If i get to sail up there 2moro i shall takes some pics if he is there, if he isnt i shall take some when i next see him. O0

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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2007, 01:58:20 pm »

That would be excellent! Any details, plans, pictures ANYTHING he's willing to share would be great. At 25 ish feet long, this model is going to need a lot of detail. It is a three year project to complete build so I've got some time. I also need any leads you folk might have to figures (that might even be adaptable) between 1/32 and 1/40 ish scale.
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2007, 03:56:46 pm »

HI There.

At 25ft she will be impressive.

I have a few questions on trasportation. At 25ft will you build her in sections that bolt together. For example the bow and stern could be removable.

If not are there any road transport regulations on the length of trailer you can you can pull with a car. Or length of load you can have overhanging on the roof of your car/van.
Also if you will be traveling to events, the cover given by RAC and AA has limits on trailer length. 22ft seems to ring a bell. Over that you need commercial recovery.

As a manned 'vessel' are there any regulations that would apply at 25 feet. For example nav lights, fire extinguisher, horn.

In Bristol I assume you will be on the river which is quite wide neat Southville, so will you have auxillary power in case of battery/engine failure. Paddle etc.

And if you have not done so yet, contact the guys at the pmbt. I am sure they can give a lot of hints and tips.

Good luck and I will enjoy following the build.
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2007, 04:10:36 pm »

Hi matey
Lots of useful points there...
The decision is now to make a solid boat with no breaks. The issue re trailors is one that has vexed me but seems to be resolving itself into a choice between a glider trailer, an advertising trailer and a scratch built, twin axle trailer (made for the job). I've decided to put this on the back burner for the time being. Regarding vessel regulations, she will be equipped with fire suppresion,bouyancy aids, horns, lights, ship to shore and guns! (Lots of pirates in Bristol don'tch' know?). I will be registering her as a 'proper' boat in Bristol with full, inland waterway licence and number. Auxillary engines may be a moot point as, at this moment, the design calls for ALL four props to be independantly powered.
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2007, 04:49:19 pm »

Tiger: yep regulations re trailers and manned vessels, simple you just obey them all. If a car isn't suitable just  use a van or 4x4 that suits. The only time I`ve been stopped by the police when towing Invincible was by an ex RN copper who just wanted a look at his old ship (in miniature). My only thought about Martins build is the complexity and major engineering of the 4 shafts. I`d have dummies for static show, removed for the water and a simpler drive system such as an outboard in a well aft. It works for me allthough I haven't got round to the dummy shafts. I fear the spud-guns might have to be reduced to powder & flash as pyrotechnics are banned in most if not all harbours and marinas. Oh yes Martin glad you came over to the best model boat forum on the web. Go to additonal options then browse and you can select pics for us from your picture library. There instructions on the main page I think , Martin/ Bradders ???? Build pics are a favourite on this forum. You have a PM MartinK.
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2007, 05:08:09 pm »

Just a thought............but why shouldn't all 4 props be powered. surely with the sort of motors that the likes of mobile marine models are now selling for large tugs, A model of the size I think you are suggesting has the space for a small petrol generator which I think Have an 12 volt output for charging batteries etc?..............just a thought or there's always the solar panel option but the weigt of all those batteries..............nah.

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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2007, 05:15:24 pm »

John, At 25 feet long and able to carry a crew of 2 she might come under full size boat regulations, as she wont be classed as a model.


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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2007, 05:23:37 pm »

Correct Bob , not "might" but WILL.
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2007, 02:02:37 am »

Regards trailers again.

I think ALL recovery services (AA RAC Etc.) will only cover a proprietry tralier. They don't cover 'home' built. But a proprietry manufacturer could provide a custom job.
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2007, 02:39:35 pm »

Bob
I have seen the Portsmouth display team and wondered why the emphasis on the underwater shape, the dreadnoughts displayed by them look pretty impressive on the water, althouigh I have seen one on E.bay that didn't make that much money?
Is this a one off that is going to be used just the once, and has to roll over, showing her bum. As I thought the Hood blew up due to cordite being stored where it shouldn't have. I confess , I'm not a warship man although my father in law served and at 82 still provides me with a mountain of information.
Just interested in the thread, although not likely to go down the road of building some thing like this!!

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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2007, 06:50:14 pm »

Hi John
She better NOT roll over and show her bum!!!
I am going for an approximation (fairly accurate) of the below waterline hull shape but still an approximation for two reasons. One, I'd like her to be as true to the original as I can be and secondly, the original was that shape for a reason- speed and stability. When she dug in and motored, she went so fast, her quarter deck was pretty much awash with water which was the main reason they removed the Fairey Firefly (her seaplane) from the stern.
I want this 'model' to recreate the scale speed and reproduce that look. The main theory is that the Hood blew apart when the fifth salvo from the Bismark punctured the thin deck armour and found the 9inch magazine causing a catastrophic chain reaction. It is doubly sad as this was the first 'proper' action (ship to ship) that Hood took part in. She was due a refit in 1939 when her deck armour would have been substantially thickened but, due to the circumstances at the time, this was cancelled.
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2007, 06:52:44 pm »

I HAVE PICTURES! How do I post them up comrades?
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2007, 08:48:46 pm »

MartinH-K, go to the main page of Mayhem (Not the Forum) and "Boss Martin" has a "how to" there , easy to find. Keep file sizes down, you can get re-sizer program on the web, or re-take them with smaller pixel count setting on camera . Any computer buffs help here ????  Also I see John Roberts` "HMS HOOD anatomy of the ship" available from Amazon at 13 , bargain, used to be 25 or 30 quid.
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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2007, 08:54:50 pm »

The image resizer is an add on for windows.
Just download and when you right click on photo the resize option is in the drop down menu, just select medium.
Go to additional options bottom right of post. Left click.
Highlight modified pic and click Attach or more attachments to attach more than one pic per post.

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2007, 08:57:31 pm »

The image resizer is an add on for windows.
Just download and when you right click on photo the resize option is in the drop down menu, just select medium.
Go to additional options bottom right of post. Left click.
Highlight modified pic and click Attach or more attachments to attach more than one pic per post.

Bob
Additional options is port not starboard Bob. O0
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2007, 10:41:05 am »

Just ordered HMS Hood... Anatomy of a ship! Will upload piccies tonight after days work!
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Re: HMS Hood
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2007, 06:47:50 pm »

Well... I'd upload them if the sodding Adobe Photoshop program would release them! Grrrrrr and gnashing of teeth generally!
It is beginning to look like a wreck now rather than simply, planks washed up on the sea shore. Anyone else noticed that builds look like wrecks in reverse?
Four days solid and I'm wrecked! Back to proper job tomorrow. I'm getting a special VERY bendy wood in a couple of days to make the hull curves. Having said that, there is something decidely wrong (or not right) with bulkhead number 4.....
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2007, 08:45:56 pm »

Martin try downloading your pics onto Picasa , free from Google, very easy, good filing and editing, not photoshop but handy for this kind of thing. Did you get last PM re Somerset ? 
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