Model Boat Mayhem

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length.
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 6   Go Down

Author Topic: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!  (Read 33541 times)

Colin Bishop

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 12,188
  • Location: SW Surrey, UK
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2022, 09:26:36 pm »

I wouldn't rely on plastic kits. You need something like the Anatomy of the Ship Dreadnought by John Roberts. Available in various formats from a number of suppliers.

Colin
Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2022, 09:52:31 pm »

I wouldn't rely on plastic kits. You need something like the Anatomy of the Ship Dreadnought by John Roberts. Available in various formats from a number of suppliers.

Colin


I've got it and there is no schematic of the entire deck.  The 3D book is long out of print.  There is a Russian Line drawing which is by all accounts accurate above the waterline, but I've not been able to locate a copy.  Doesn't look like there are Admiralty plans available.  I seem to be drawing a blank
Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2022, 10:04:03 pm »

This is the only example I've been able to locate and I had to bring two images together to form the piccie.  As you can see, they don't quite line up
Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2022, 10:18:49 pm »

Located a better one!
Logged

Beagle1831

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 147
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2022, 10:22:55 pm »

Depending on how much you want to spend you can get plans from the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich.


For example:
https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-54579



I got digital copies of the plan, profile and sections for my build of HMS Onslow - not cheap but if it's a long term project the cost is spread a bit. Good photographs are also essential as the plans do not always match the ship, and often include modifications drawn in different ink etc.


They require some interpretation, not drawn with modelmakers in mind (eg I find dimensions on different views don't quite match so you have to use some judgement to make it all fit).


The museum staff can help a bit in sorting out what they have in the archive, I suspect Dreadnought is well covered with multiple different views / time points but it's not always obvious what is shown.


Onslow is not my first build but if you're going for super accuracy the the model can only be as good as the reference material. I found this out the hard way trying to build HMS Kenya from what in hindsight were totally inadequate references...


Hope this helps. The main thing is enjoy the hobby






Logged
Work in progress and RN history on Instagram @beagleshipmodels

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2022, 10:50:21 pm »

Depending on how much you want to spend you can get plans from the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich.


For example:
https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-54579



I got digital copies of the plan, profile and sections for my build of HMS Onslow - not cheap but if it's a long term project the cost is spread a bit. Good photographs are also essential as the plans do not always match the ship, and often include modifications drawn in different ink etc.


They require some interpretation, not drawn with modelmakers in mind (eg I find dimensions on different views don't quite match so you have to use some judgement to make it all fit).


The museum staff can help a bit in sorting out what they have in the archive, I suspect Dreadnought is well covered with multiple different views / time points but it's not always obvious what is shown.


Onslow is not my first build but if you're going for super accuracy the the model can only be as good as the reference material. I found this out the hard way trying to build HMS Kenya from what in hindsight were totally inadequate references...


Hope this helps. The main thing is enjoy the hobby


Yup - seen thank you.  They also have these assets





https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-54574



which is :

Scale: 1:192. Plan showing the profile, half plans for the upper deck, main deck, middle deck and lower deck, and sections at Stations A, B, C, D, E. and F illustrating the arrangement of armour on the battleship HMS Dreadnought (1906).

I've written to them and asked how I get hold of a copy and how much.

Since posting, one of the lads on the Army Rumour Service has located a copy of the 3D publication, which is now ordered.

Where I am at with this ship is its without a doubt one of my favourites (add Lion to that list and Invincible), so I'm in the space of its going to cost what its going to cost.  Just dont tell the mrs I said that!
Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2022, 06:26:23 pm »

Well the mrs has caught me.  It was the 42 quid customs charge for the guns.  They havent arrived yet and I'm just working out how to get the rest past her without being caught :o


Now someone mentioned 540 motors.  Which ones would you go for an why?
Logged

raflaunches

  • Global Moderator
  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3,686
  • The Penguins are coming!!!
  • Location: Back in the UK, Kettering, Northants
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2022, 08:45:28 am »


Hi


You said you weren’t impressed with the scale link eyebrows for the portholes, try these-

https://quaycraft.uk/product/port-holes-1-96-scale/



Logged
Nick B

Help! The penguins have stolen my sanity, and my hot water bottle!

Illegitimi non carborundum!

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2022, 08:54:48 am »

Hi


You said you weren’t impressed with the scale link eyebrows for the portholes, try these-

https://quaycraft.uk/product/port-holes-1-96-scale/


Thank you but I think I'm going 3D with Micro Master.


Guns turn up today!!  Woo hoo!
Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2022, 02:07:30 pm »

I can not even begin to tell you how good these are



Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2022, 04:19:16 pm »

There is progress, but no start on the build yet.  I've just spent a small fortune on £D printed stuff for Dreadnought.


Fingers crossed the mrs doesnt get to it first!


Hopefully the order will land by the end of the month and I can commence work in November
Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2022, 05:48:02 pm »

3D book arrives from CA, USA!  Just waiting for my big order from New Zealand!!







Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #62 on: October 29, 2022, 01:03:06 pm »

I've been waiting for the resup and it has arrived all the way from sunny New Zealand.  I'm a searchlight short (forgot to order) >>:-(


I'm now just about ready to make a start on the build



Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #63 on: October 29, 2022, 01:04:21 pm »

quick comparison with the 3D drawings



Logged

Circlip

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4,465
  • Location: North of Watford, South of Hadrians wall
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #64 on: October 29, 2022, 01:46:27 pm »

3D printing has really saved a lot of time reproducing the details. Pity you can't get a rebate for all the scrap plastic fastened to them. It can be regranulated and extruded.


  Regards  Ian
Logged
You might not like what I say, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
 
What I said is not what you  think you heard.

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #65 on: October 29, 2022, 04:43:38 pm »

3D printing has really saved a lot of time reproducing the details. Pity you can't get a rebate for all the scrap plastic fastened to them. It can be regranulated and extruded.


  Regards  Ian


The stuff that's turned up is stunning.  God know what I'm going to do about the other bits I need as anything else that goes on it cant be of a lower standard than the stuff that's come through from New Zealand
Logged

Colin Bishop

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 12,188
  • Location: SW Surrey, UK
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #66 on: October 29, 2022, 05:57:59 pm »

Yes, it is amazing stuff, you can asemble your own kit from it but the total cost must be eye watering.

Colin
Logged

JimG

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,271
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
  • Location: Dundee
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #67 on: October 29, 2022, 08:54:01 pm »

3D printing has really saved a lot of time reproducing the details. Pity you can't get a rebate for all the scrap plastic fastened to them. It can be regranulated and extruded.


  Regards  Ian
These appear to have been printed using a photosensitive resin to give the sharp detail. Once cured with UV light the resin is basically thermosetting so can't be melted, therefore no use in an extruder. The only possible problem with these supports is that normally they are removed before the outside is finally fully cured, otherwise they may leave an imprint where they attach. It might be a good idea to put the fittings in hot water before removing the supports as this can help.
Jim
Logged
Dundee Model Boat club

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #68 on: October 30, 2022, 01:49:20 pm »

Yes, it is amazing stuff, you can asemble your own kit from it but the total cost must be eye watering.

Colin


Eye watering is not an unreason word to describe it!!!!


Sets personal reminder 'I must take a look at the parts trays that came with the kit and see what I can use'.......
Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #69 on: October 30, 2022, 01:49:44 pm »

These appear to have been printed using a photosensitive resin to give the sharp detail. Once cured with UV light the resin is basically thermosetting so can't be melted, therefore no use in an extruder. The only possible problem with these supports is that normally they are removed before the outside is finally fully cured, otherwise they may leave an imprint where they attach. It might be a good idea to put the fittings in hot water before removing the supports as this can help.
Jim


Thank you for the tip.  Will give it a go.


Cheers


Si
Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2022, 06:46:05 pm »

Just ordered new 4mm ply for the decks and the decks that came with the kit are quite badly warped.


Now about these motors.  I'm assuming its four of the the Mabuchi RS-550s I'm after.  Off to the gym in a bit so if no-one has replied this evening when I get back at about 2130 hrs, I'll just order some and see how I get on with them.


I've also been reading about these brushless motors and I have to say I've lost the will to live re what to go for.  I'll have a look at some mounts as well while I'm on.  Must say all this electric stuff is a bit of a mystery to me - physics never was a strong point...... 


Logged

Colin Bishop

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 12,188
  • Location: SW Surrey, UK
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2022, 06:51:23 pm »

You don't have to have 4 motors. You could have just two, each driving two shafts via a toothed belt drive. Simplifies things a bit.

Colin
Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2022, 06:54:41 pm »

You don't have to have 4 motors. You could have just two, each driving two shafts via a toothed belt drive. Simplifies things a bit.

Colin


the lad that built the invincible suggested four.  I've honestly no idea what I'm doing here on the electrics.  I'm quick happy with tackling the build when I eventually get started (hopefully this weekend), but as for fitting it out, I'm in the land of the clueless I'm afraid and happy to take any helpful advice.


Is the Mabuchi the engine you'd go for?
Logged

Simmerit

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 72
  • Model Boat Mayhem is Great!
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2022, 07:01:35 pm »

Bloody hell.  I've just been watching some bloke on youtube running in a motor having dropped it in a bowl of water! 
Logged

Colin Bishop

  • Full Mayhemer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 12,188
  • Location: SW Surrey, UK
Re: Deans marine HMS Dreadnought - First build!
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2022, 07:11:28 pm »

Best idea is to do a bit of homework. A similar issue just been discussed on the Model Boats website with links.

https://www.modelboats.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=183855&p=1

Otherwise you risk taking advice you don't fully understand which is not a recipe for success. That said, any advice from RAFLaunches on here is well worth listening to but, as always, there are several ways of skinning the proverbial cat.

The two shafts on each side will always be operated together so there is a good case for linking them and using one motor on each side which simplifies the wiring, speed controllers etc. and saves space.

You need to get a handle on all this BEFORE you start building. All those nice expensive fittings are essentially the icing on the cake but you have to bake the cake first!

Colin
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 6   Go Up
 

Page created in 0.1 seconds with 21 queries.