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Nick-R

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1960s model boating v present day
« on: March 10, 2024, 06:09:56 pm »

Being in my dotage now, I have returned to my boyhood hobby of model boating.  In the intervening years I had long periods of owning and operating real boats ranging from speedboats to twin engined motor cruisers.  It is interesting to compare kits and kit, now and then!


1) My first recent kit was an Aeronaut Queen.  The build of this was very similar to what I recall of various Aerokits boats I built - Crash Tender, Sea Commander, Swordsman.  Main difference is the accuracy of the die/laser cutting.  Back in the day, most parts needed some fettling to fit properly.  The Queen parts fitted exactly out of the box with even the hull skins fitting to the millimetre.


2) in my teens, every biggish town had a decent model shop.  If I was short of something, I could nip down to the local model shop and source most things.  More specialised stuff - mostly radio gear or marine ic engines - required a trip to my relatively local city, Glasgow.  Now, the only way to source stuff is online.


3) propulsion has changed out of sight!  In the sixties if you want a planing boat, an IC engine was more or less the only option.  Brushless motors and lipos were unheard of.


4) what do we use nowadays to build off a plan?  In my day I built a number of boats from model maker plans where I used carbon paper to transfer lines from plans to wood, usually balsa.


5) Glue technology has moved on.  I recall using stuff called Cascamite with had virtually no initial adhesion and needed any parts using it to be firmly clamped in place until it cured.


6) Radio gear has both advanced hugely in technical terms but also in terms of cost.  In real terms it is way, way cheaper.


7) Unless you were a member of a club, you were on your own and to work out stuff for yourself.  There was no internet to find out how to do this or that, just a few books by the likes of Vic Smeed!


Not sure which era I prefer although I can categorically say I preferred being a teenager than in my seventies!
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Re: 1960s model boating v present day
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2024, 09:33:32 am »

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be Nick.


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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2024, 09:39:33 am »

Sounds like a song title!
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Re: 1960s model boating v present day
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2024, 08:30:08 pm »

 

Hi Nick, your post struck a chord with me, especially as I'm now approaching my 'three score years and ten'.
As you said, back in the day every town would have a decent model shop, larger towns might have more than one. The German (West Germany as it was then) kits in the window, from firms such as Graupner and Robbe, were generally out of most modellers’ price range, so it was the British Aerokits and Veron ranges.
 
If you aspired to a radio set then in those days before credit cards it would be purchased ‘on the drip’, a hire purchase agreement. Today’s radio gear is way cheaper and much more reliable, although the sets are so ‘feature rich’ that it takes a slog through the manual to boil it down to a basic rudder and throttle setup.
 
Aerokits were solidly built to cope with the vibration from a marine diesel, remember ED or Frog, starting one could sometimes be a bit problematic. Electric motive power is now on a different planet, just switch on and go. Some Sunday mornings the ED Racer just wouldn’t start, but there would always be a pondside expert on hand, dressed in shirt, tie and a sports jacket, smoking a pipe with a waft of Golden Virginia, who backed off the compression a quarter of a turn and started it with one flick of the leather bootlace starting cord.
 
We now have access to a vast range of GRP hulls, and glue and paint technology make building easier and quicker, so we’ve never had it so good, but, through rose-tinted specs the good old days were pretty good as well.
 
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2024, 09:08:00 pm »

Hmm!  ED Racer?  Was that the 2.5cc engine?  I recall my Aerokits Crash Tender was powered by a 2.5cc ED engine  and remember that they did a Racer.  Just can’t remember if that was the name of my engine?  Good engine but they all made a bit of a mess of the bottom of the boat.  I also remember making my own silencers for it as I found empty humbrol sized tins fitted the next size up perfectly.  Perforate the smaller tin then solder it into the larger can. Solder an inlet pipe to the lid of the smaller tin then an outlet to the bottom of the larger tin.  Worked well in a Heath Robinson sort of way!
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Re: 1960s model boating v present day
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2024, 05:02:24 pm »

Hi Nick,


Yes, the ED 2.5cc was badged as the 'Racer', the 3.5cc was 'Hunter', and the 5cc was the 'Viking'. Anything over 2.5cc was regarded as 'heavy metal'. As you say home brewed silencers were the order of the day, although my soldering wasn't up to much!


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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2024, 06:44:41 pm »

My first ic engine was a Frog 2.5cc.  It had a water jacket but an open exhaust.  Making some kind of collector/manifold for it was beyond my skills at the time (probably still is!) so it made a real mess, not to mention the exhaust smoke making the boat look like it was on fire!  Wonder what happened to them?


I also acquired a 6.5cc glow plug engine which made my Swordsman fly but I also learned the hard way that these motors ran hotter than diesels, beyond the melting point of the neophrene tubing I had connecting the exhaust to the transom!  Can’t remember the make!  In fact the Swordsman flew so much that it tried to do so up the bank at the side of the pond, wrecking its bow!  It was then I learned the delights of fibre glass and filler!


The young guys nowadays with plug and play brushless motors don’t know they are living!!!
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2024, 07:05:48 pm »

More early 70s than 60s, but my first few boats were diesel or glow powered. My very first was basically a plywood shoe-box with a simple electric motor and a super-regen single channel radio. It had quite a few limitations, but I was able to steer it around a local pond. Second boat was a glass fibre flattie I bought on holiday in Eastbourne, fitted an ED super Racer in it and it was quite a lot of fun. My final IC boat was an SHG Shadow with a Webra 20 in it, proper radio, and kept me entertained for a year or two. No idea what happened to any of them now though.
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2024, 07:29:17 pm »

My introduction to building working model boats was about the age of 10 or so via the KeilKraft eze build series - a Neptune? I think.  It was a 16in cabin cruiser with a small electric (Mabuchi?) motor and could just about make it across the local dam on a flat 4.5v battery.  Motor was connected to battery with paper clips?  It was always guaranteed to make landfall at the other side at the most inaccessible bit of the pond, usually necessitating a paddle through reeds to retrieve it.


My first radio gear was single channel with a receiver that had a relay that closed when the transmit button was pressed.  It gave sequential steering - first press turn to port, next press turn to starboard.  Also you could send a sort of morse code that operated a throttle servo - fast or slow.  In real terms that probably cost about ten times my current Microzone six channel tx/rx and servos/esc.


My modelling skills were really coming up to speed but then I discovered women!!!







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Re: 1960s model boating v present day
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2024, 09:49:30 am »

Hi Nick.....I started my modelling back in the 70's.. just as I began working to be able to afford to buy my first boat and radio gear.....
A 37" Aerokits Crash Tender ....... no diesel engine for me too hard to start....... I fitted Merco 35..... boy did it go....... Many models have passed through my workshop since this time.

The thing I miss most is the smell of burnt methanol and Castrol M fuel...... No where locally to me allows ic engines any more.... I satisfy my needs by firing the up at my back door....  much to the annoyance of my neighbours... Only done perodically in the nice weather......

Still enjoy building wooden boats..... Sea Rover on the bench..... Game Fisher to follow..... plenty of Fibreglass hulled ones on the shelf... Any I do not get to will be passed to my son to complete.
Nice to reminisce.     David
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2024, 10:28:59 am »

Late fifties/early sixties, Adamcraft Seaplane Tender fitted with Mk 1  Racer, free running. Initial problems, Me Dad had used 'Croid' glue to construct it. Rekitted itself due to glue being water soluble, 'Cascomite' came to the rescue. Next was finding a reliable drive coupling. One we tried was a heavy walled PVC 'Tube', the drive ends being like the 'Hewco' straight knurled Brass ends. This, due to the amount of Whip manage to break the Racer casting between the bearings, Mk 2 crankcase was much more sturdy for marine use and RipMax universal ball joint coupling.
      First foray into R/C was a homebuilt 'Aeromoddler two transistor (Red Spot) receiver and attempting to use mates Triang Transmitter, (Big Red Box) all super regen. Final reliable set up was an REP reptone transmitter, OS Pixie receiver coupled to a home cobbled 'Servo' using gear reduction from a 'Wesclox' alarm clock. Home built two transistor pulse box fitted to transmitter gave selective steering in an AeroKits Sea Hornet with an ED Hornet (UGH) power plant.


  WE HAD IT TOUGH.


  Regards  Ian.


 Original AeroKits Crash Tender was 34", wonder if 42" version was an early use of 'Scale' feature on AutoCad or just a photo enlargement on original plan?
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2024, 04:30:03 pm »

My first model was a small MTB about 10" long. Plans from the Eagle Annual of a cabin cruiser which I converted to an MTB. Flat balsa bottom, sides and deck. Little did I know what I had started. Yes, 4.5v flat battery with paperclips and mabuchi motor!!


I used to sail in Harrow Lodge Park in Hornchurch - there used to be a small round boating pond in front of the old swimming pool! Happy days. Radio control was a distant dream!!


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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2024, 05:41:54 pm »

My first "proper" boat was an Aerokits RAF Crash Tender which I got for a Christmas around the age of 13 or 14.  Up to then I had only built balsa boats so my Crash Tender was constructed using balsa glue!  To be fair, it held together until my wife decided at a house move that the boats had to go - donated them to a local club.  It was first fitted with a Frog 2.5cc diesel but that had no exhaust collector and made a mess plus it was hard to start.  The boat was free running and went at a fair old lick with the rudder set for wide circles on a little ratchet mechanism.  It was subsequently refitted with an ED 2.5cc diesel - much better.


Several other boats were built - Aerokits Sea Commander and Swordsman.  Someone else's Chris Craft Commander? kit which had a foam plastic hull with wooden decks/cabin.  I also built a few from Modelmaker plans - Clyde car ferry Arran was one.


Since taking the hobby up again, I have built as a static display model the Calderdraft Clyde Puffer which is currently sat in the display cabinets in the boardroom of Greenock Morton Football Club where I was a director for many years.  I have also built an Aeronaut "Queen" and am currently tackling a Billings Nordkap - just finish flotation/radio and ballasting tests in Mrs Robinson's bath (not while she was in it!)
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2024, 04:50:14 pm »

Interesting stuff, and 36 im half the ages mentioned here, and have never had a diesel engine model, although my DT Teacher bought in a diesel powered control line aeroplane he had made as a child.


I have however had my share of glow plug engine 10th and 8th scale RC cars, having cut my teeth on 90s RWD RC cars like the Schumacher Cougar 2.
First boat is a NiMH brushed 30" plywood built speedboat of a local forum member (see sale area) but I already have my sights on something larger/faster/brushless/lipo....
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2024, 12:03:38 pm »

Sadly you missed a great experience missing out on proper engines. The Caster Oil in diesel fuel made your hands soft and smooth. It also ensured regular body 'Functions' and the inevitable three day stink. You could always tell when someone had been flying toy  aircraft or a boat over the weekend on a Monday morning at skool.


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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2024, 12:07:02 pm »

Oh yes, the wonderful aroma of model diesel exhaust. Takes me right back to the late 60s.
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2024, 01:13:05 pm »

Remember the smell well.  Diesel fuel was more pleasant than Glow plug. 


Also, I recall having a little test bed for mounting engines and running them in using an aircraft propeller.  Anyone remember the cuts on your fingers from flicking props with sharp edges? My dad was horrified when he saw me using the engines as I was learning to play Clarinet at the time and he took the view that I needed all my fingers for that!


 I did learn not to use the test bed indoors as it did nothing for the wallpaper behind it in my bedroom!
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