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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2008, 03:39:11 PM »

Deck varnished, hull part painted, waterline needs to be filled in. Toe rail to fitted next ( when the timber arrives  :( ).
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2008, 08:46:57 PM »


Looking good, Don.  Following it with interest.

I'm viewing a 5 foot hull with the idea of having a go at one.

Cheers...Ken

 
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2008, 11:10:17 AM »

Latest update. - Hull finished ( white metal toe rails not used, instead I used mahogany strips. Varnished , I think they look much better than the white painted short metal srips in the kit)  - mast(s) built - now waiting for the other spars and the sails.

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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2008, 05:42:01 PM »

Finished at last. First outing today on the lake. Sailed superbly, and tacked like a dream. Remarkably well balanced she would sail along steadily with no control inputs whilst I took photos and video shots.

Only drawback was the tendency of the rigging to stretch a lot - to the extent thaat I had to use all the adjustment on the shrouds and still could not stop the mast leaning forward when all was tight. However this will easily be rectified.  Altogether a very nice boat.

Video here   http://www.durnfords.co.uk/Moonbeam.wmv


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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2008, 06:10:16 PM »

You are a scrouge not wanting to buy a bottle of champers for us lot O0

ps looks good


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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2008, 06:11:38 PM »

Don is that mast raking fwd, it seems so in the pictures


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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2008, 06:42:53 PM »

Don is that mast raking fwd, it seems so in the pictures
Stavros

Yes a little - I said in the previous post that the cord provided for the shrouds in the kit stretched a VERY lot and there was not enough adjustment to pull the mast back -  strangely enough it didn't seem to upset the trim - she still sailed straight with hands off the TX.  I would have preferred to use wire for the shrouds but hey - its a 1900's model and cords are in keeping  :embarrassed:

No champers on this launch - not even coffee with us today  ??? ( Hey - I can't afford to build boats and buy alcohol !



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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2008, 07:36:16 PM »

Very nice video Don. Boats not bad either.  {-)
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2008, 01:40:30 PM »

Don,

Instead of using cord, try using the braided line they use for backing on fly fishing reels, almost no stretch and available in all colours, should do the trick.........


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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2008, 01:43:18 PM »


Hey, that's impressive Don

I know where to come for advice now.   O0

Cheers...Ken

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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2008, 09:13:16 PM »

Lovely looking boat Don.

You must be well pleased.  O0
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2008, 10:11:48 PM »

Very nice i like the look of the topsail. i used fishing braid for standing rigging i had the same problem with my mast leaning forward the braid did the trick.
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2008, 12:24:34 PM »

I had the pleasure of seeing Mr Druid's Moonbeam recently in Llanberis.

Unfortunaltey not windy on the day so I did not get her to sail.

I hope he doesn't mind me posting some pics
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2008, 12:27:19 PM »

and a few more detail shots, that I know will help me in construction of my next project.
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2008, 12:37:47 PM »

last few.

As can be clearly seen, the Metcalf Moonbean is a very nice kit.
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2008, 08:50:13 AM »

Hi Don,
I have just come across your thread with great interest, checking Metcalfs website he only lists the yacht as a hull and plans are they in full kit production now? If it is a complete kit what else is needed did the sails come with it, also reading the thread what sails are adjustable on her with the winch servo. ???
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2008, 10:12:52 AM »

Hi Don,
I have just come across your thread with great interest, checking Metcalfs website he only lists the yacht as a hull and plans are they in full kit production now? If it is a complete kit what else is needed did the sails come with it, also reading the thread what sails are adjustable on her with the winch servo. ???

Yes it is available as a full kit. Sail material is included but you have to make them yourself. Patterns and instructions are included. The amount of thread supplied for the edges of the sails is slightly inadequate.  All the sails are adjustable - there are good instructions on  siting the winch and and fitting the control lines.

Further use of the boat (both mine and a friends) has shown that the white metal fittings in the kit are woefully inadequate - just not strong enough. The boat is rather overcanvassed for the amount of ballast that you can put in and still keep the waterline OK. We usually reef the topsail  in anything other than a minimal breeze ( but then we do sail in a normally windy spot)and even then it can be overpressed quite easily.

The rudder construction needs to be beefed up by using a heavier gauge rudder post. This of course means adjusting the fittings that it fits in as well. I sailed it in the wild conditions at Wicksteed this year and damaged the rudder because I had stuck to the material supplied.

However it is a good looking boat and two sailing side by side looks very nice.

Don B.
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2008, 12:31:51 AM »

Hi all, I have seen the one due for magazine review soon.  As an avid yachty I have two comments about mainly the design of the model.

1, A full size yacht would have a pair of backstays, either releasable depending on which tack she is on.  These would support the mast when the wind is coming from astern.  The model I saw did not look to me like a it would stand up to a real gust of wind from behind, I think the mast would collapse forward.

2, It is much easier to rig a yacht at the pond side if the mast is seated on the keel as it is then self supporting, afterall there will be a wind blowing!
If the mast was positioned like this it would help solve the above.

On a model of this size a working releasable backstay is entirely feasible and I would think safer.  A collapsed mast in the middle of a lake is a bit of a b****r.

Its only my opinion but to me the triangles of support are not there.
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2008, 10:12:20 AM »

With reference to your comments, Roy. Have you built one or sailed one of these, with or without back stays.
I can assure you, that in a strong wind with gusts, they sail well. :-))
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2008, 11:39:36 AM »

Hi Nhp651, I bow to your experience.
I have seen one completed and the stern most shroud seemed hardly behind the mast, also bearing in mind that the mast  is deck mounted.  Apart from the sail sheet to the boom, I could not see what was going to hold the mast up with the wind astern.

I have an Endeavour J class (1 metre loa) and there is no way that could sail without a backstay.

I have 9  RC  yachts plus 2 in building and have been out with several of them under extreme conditions.  So I tend to build with possible disaster in mind.

On one occasion a scale yacht just 27 inches long sailed in high winds with the hull and all of the superstructure under water, just sails showing.  Ran like that for 4 or 5 minutes still under RC control whilst trying to retrieve her, most eerie.

A medium breeze is about 20 mph and it exerts a force of 1 pound per square foot on a sail and Moonbeam has a lot of sail.
Anyway I shall keep my fingers crossed.

Admire the boat and she is very elegant and the build looks great.

Regards Roy

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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2008, 07:46:38 PM »

no need to do that Roy, just go down on one knee and jenuflect, that'll do.
as for experience in yachting, I will confess I have ABSOLUTELY NONE.
 my comments were made purely from obsevations of one I have seen sailing on Fleetwood lake...........well reknown for it's highly unpredictable wind and sailing patterns.......on numerous rough days, when she sailed very charactoristically  as what she is....a replica Edwardian pond yacht, <*< :-))
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2008, 11:29:11 AM »

NHP651
I have sent you a PM.
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2008, 12:24:06 PM »

Ah well, nhp,
I have read the review in Marine Modelling for the Moonbeam and the reviewer decided that the mast should be seated on the keel, and also commented about the problem of there being no backstay.

Thats good enough for me, as here is someone who has built her and sailed her.

There was some comment on the mast leaning forward and using non stretching braid.  My reel of braid  is finished and the local fishing tackle shop does not sell it any more.

Does anyone know where I can buy some more?

With a gaff rig like this, when I have been drawing up a sail plan, I work out how far the mainsail boom will go out without spilling wind from the sails. There is no point in the mainboom going out any further so I use this to determine how far back a mast stay can be placed.  This gives a good chance of the mast staying up in bad weather.

Sometimes with a scale sailing boat it is difficult to balance the wind forces so that she will sail on most points with a neutral rudder.  When this happens I go for a larger (or smaller) jib or perhaps an extra one.  They work quite well without having to be winched with the rest of the sails.  Just have an eye at the clew with a running line through it.

It is surprising what can be worked out on paper beforehand with a little bit of geometry.

Moonbeam is very nice looking yacht, I look forward to seeing one sailing

regards Roy


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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2008, 01:01:25 PM »

I have only just started mine (got the kit from Dave over a year ago !!!!) and having read the review in MMI I will be taking my mast down to the keel. Will post some pics of progress in a while.
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Re: Metcalf 's Moonbeam
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2008, 09:39:14 AM »

Topic moderated.

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