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Author Topic: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build  (Read 114580 times)

bigfella

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #150 on: November 03, 2008, 09:48:57 pm »

Hi Martin

Looking really good. How is everything progressing??

Regards David

PS Do you know where in Australia you can buy Hobza Bread? I have not tasted real good bread since Malta. That crust and the soft inside MMMMMMMMMMMM :-)) :-)).
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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #151 on: November 03, 2008, 09:58:14 pm »

Hmmmm.....Black and White???

Back to the drawing board - must find out why this has happened - back soon

 >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(

Hi David,

Been doing domestic stuff for the missus, researching other builds and spending a fortune on ebay - that place is like gambling - highly addictive.
Have been working on BB for some time with many breaks due brain stalling with no input. Currently working on superstructure and progressing slowly. Yeah, been off the forum for a number of weeks and hope to stay off ebay and keep BB build updated.

Martin doon under
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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #152 on: November 03, 2008, 10:00:11 pm »


PS Do you know where in Australia you can buy Hobza Bread? I have not tasted real good bread since Malta. That crust and the soft inside MMMMMMMMMMMM :-)) :-)).

I'll ask mum and find out for you as I have no idea

Matin du
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bigfella

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #153 on: November 03, 2008, 10:06:52 pm »

Martin

Yes I have also been to the Ebay Casino many times. You kind of get fixated with it. But I have found the cure....... Ran out of money {-) {-) {-) {-). I too had a short spell from the forum as my cat went missing for a month and spent most of my time looking for him. We found him two doors down the lady who lives there said that she kept on being woken up by her sensor lights going off for a couple of days but god only knows where he went in the mean time.

Regards David

Added: Thanks for asking your mum.
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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #154 on: November 03, 2008, 11:32:10 pm »

Hmmmm.....Black and White???

Back to the drawing board - must find out why this has happened - back soon

Martin doon under

Got it now. Must remember when saving a resized photo, check that Greyscale box is not ticked - Here goes
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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #155 on: November 03, 2008, 11:52:02 pm »

Back to the Transom Flap and Rudders.

Made up servo mounts and installed linkages and servo's. All tested okay

Thanks to Bluebird for Transom Flap setup. :-))

Martin doon under O0
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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #156 on: November 03, 2008, 11:56:03 pm »

Question to the forum.

I have installed the 3 water pickup's for the 3 motors.

Do I now have 3 water outlets or do I need only 1 and where do I install them {:-{ :embarrassed:

Martin doon under
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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #157 on: November 04, 2008, 08:01:15 am »


I would say 3 inputs - 3 outputs.
 At least that way if you have a problem with one, you only have a problem with one!
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Garabaldy

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #158 on: November 04, 2008, 01:10:16 pm »

also with 3 outputs you should get better flow.  with one output you will have lots of water trying to get through one small hole.  i think they theory is if you have the output flush with the bottom of the hull and angled to the stern the water rushing past the outlet will suck this also helping with flow.  This is what i did anyway and it seems to work......
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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #159 on: November 07, 2008, 10:27:41 pm »

Yep, that sounds logical - three inputs with three outputs - Thanks guys, just need to figure out where to put them ;D

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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #160 on: November 07, 2008, 10:36:35 pm »

Started work on the forward superstructure section.

Basically was built using a combination of 1.5 and 3mm marine plywood. Box section made up incorporating the Bridge area.

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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #161 on: November 07, 2008, 10:42:08 pm »

Next bit was to laminate several pieces of block balsa for either side of bridge area, then carve and sand to shape. Believe it or not, but this took some time to get both P & S sides the same shape and size.

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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #162 on: November 07, 2008, 10:46:04 pm »

These two sections were then epoxied to the main superstructure. Another block of Balsa added to the aft section and all flaired in.

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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #163 on: November 07, 2008, 11:01:46 pm »

Sorry, messed up attaching photo's above.

Next - I then had to make up 2 domes to fit onto the balsa sides that are attached to the side of the bridge.

I made up these domes by cutting circles of 10mm balsa to 4 different diameters and glueing together. I tried shaping these freehand but turned out horrible. I then made up another set and then attached a long screw to the base disc. This assembly was then placed into my floor standing drill press (don't have a wood lathe, so this was the next best thing) and proceeded to use files and various grades of sand paper to achieve desired result...

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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #164 on: November 16, 2008, 09:35:30 pm »

After the domes were made, I had to cut them vertically and slightly off center. The base was shaped to match the sides of the superstructure, glued into place then P38 applied.

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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #165 on: November 16, 2008, 09:48:20 pm »

After the domes were attached, something did not look right - the sides of the bridge area. The side should be level with the top of the dome and angled down towards the front of the structure.
The easiest way to fix this was to add a 1.5mm sheet ply to the outside (side of bridge) then add another small piece to the inside.

You can see the difference between the next 2 photo's and the previous.

Martin du
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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #166 on: November 16, 2008, 10:12:27 pm »

For now I have stopped work on the forward superstructure section as I need to calculate and mark out the opening on the deck to access internals.
Firstly, what I need to know is how far and where will the coaming behind the forward section meet the deck. Also how was I going to attach coaming to deck - believe me, this turned out to be a real nightmare with some external help.

From the drawings I made up a template of the coaming and taped to forward section, then placed the assembly onto the deck to check measurements etc. This took quite some time before I was happy to proceed.

My first attempt was to make up some framing and plank the coaming from 0.6mm ply as used on the hull construction - this turned into a real disaster and scrapped the whole idea - fortunately, I did not take any photo's of this process - nothing to be proud of.

After some discussion with a good friend and superb model maker, I decided to use 0.8mm marine 3 ply sheet instead - this stuff is not cheap. A sheet 4 foot square cost $115.00 AU - so don't stuff it up.

I then placed the template over the ply sheet and cut with a sharp knife, sanded and glued into place.

My apologies for no photo of this at  the moment - camera batteries flat.

Martin doon under
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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #167 on: December 04, 2008, 07:27:02 am »

As Promised, a couple of photo's showing the coaming now attached to the forward superstructure. Here I decided it would be far better to support coaming if the deck below superstructure was permanently attached. This then enabled me to glue the lower edge of coaming to the deck - less chances of damaging superstructure when gaining access to inside of hull..

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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #168 on: December 04, 2008, 07:52:37 am »

Back to the deck opening.

This took a bit of working out on how best to mount the complete superstructure section onto the deck and still maintain integrity with regards to water seal and appearance.

It was decided as per a good friend and modeler to have the forward and aft superstructure sections along with the two bofors, be lifted off as one section. This would also facilitate protecting the bofors and most fittings from damage when gaining access to inside of hull.
 A platform was made up using 8mm ply and the rear superstructure section (not constructed yet) will be permanently mounted to it. This in turn will be attached to the deck area of the forward section beneath the coaming. I decided not to glue this section as it would make access difficult during construction to the area underneath the coaming re adding detail and painting - instead , it will be screwed into place.
The platform also has a smaller section attached that fits onto the front section below bridge for mounting the forward Bofor.

This platform and forward superstructure assemblies were placed on the hull and a pattern taken in order to work out  the opening.

Too difficult to explain this process but a picture is worth a thousand words - you figure it out.

The opening is not complete yet as a smaller section of ply needs to be added to the framework - this facilitates the deck mounting and provides a clean and tight finish..phew!!


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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #169 on: December 04, 2008, 07:57:01 am »

More pics with forward superstructure sitting in place..just to check that I did not stuff up %)

Martin du
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dan

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #170 on: December 04, 2008, 08:00:24 am »

hi Martin,

I'm following with intrest and learning quite a bit. its coming along very nicely  :-))  keep the pics comming please

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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #171 on: December 11, 2008, 10:21:37 pm »

Glad to hear that you are getting something out of the build dantheman and thanks for the comments. ;)

Now if you watch very closely, you will get to see a major stuff up.

Basically, the mounting area for the superstructure is now complete and the forward structure sits on the framework nicely.

Note: the last picture shows the frame the the aft structure will be built on.

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #172 on: December 11, 2008, 10:27:47 pm »

Next bit was to manufacture the water deflector on the trailing edge of the coaming. The idea was to cut several sections of 1.5mm ply to the shape of the trailing edge of the coaming, glue into place then file/sand to correct shape.

Martin du
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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #173 on: December 11, 2008, 10:59:28 pm »

This is where things went horribly wrong. As I added the 1.5mm strips, the coaming distorted out of shape and no matter what I attempted - I could not fix it.........#@^*  it >>:-( >>:-(

I now need to manufacture another coaming and start again. My current thoughts are to use the same technique but use 0.8mm ply instead.

Now on my knees I would beg for forum assistance as to how I can build the water deflector to the trailing edge of the coaming. The deflector will eventually be a "D" shape and is about 28 inches long overall.
All suggestions greatly appreciated -


Martin the frustrated >:-o

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Martin13

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Re: My HMS Brave Borderer 1:16 Scale Build
« Reply #174 on: December 12, 2008, 10:41:16 pm »

I see by Pm's that I have received that some are confused by the area in question. Later today I will post some photo's with arrows attached of the real boat plus a model. Hopefully this will then be self explanatory - One day I hope to get my nautical terminology correct.

Martin down under
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