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Re: MODEL BOAT INSURANCE
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2008, 12:49:34 am »

Sorry to be so long replying to this one, but yes, in Australia we do need a licence to drive any (real) boat at more than 10 knots, except Personal Water Craft (jet skis), which require a special licence. I have a 3.6 metre aluminium runabout with a 15hp motor, and I have a licence for that. The same laws applying to vehicle drivers regarding alcohol also apply to boat drivers.
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« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2008, 11:54:06 am »

Think outside the box - take it to the worse case scenario and then double it:

Person comes up to you whilst you're preparing yor boat, bends over to  look carefully at it, pokes eye on aerial or part of superstucture, leaps back in shock trips falls into river after goosing themself on railing, dragging dog on lead into water.

You then have a potential third party liability claim for injury to eye, resulting in non ability to work or enjoy the theatre in binocular vision, the drowned dog (or worse one that survived but is now afraid of the water ) damaged clothes. The emergency service that rescued them, took them to the hospital and dog to vet, the trauma, the aftercare - the legal teams, your and theirs. And after all the compenation, the punitvie damges.....£5 million? peanuts.


There was a case of the kid caught with broken leg in school building after breaking in via a skylight - the school was sued because the caretaker didin't return ladders to secure storage after use. The world HAS gone mad - at least if you've got insurance, you've someone else to fight your corner. Get covered.
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« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2008, 02:42:20 pm »

A simple way to look at it is that there are no end of ways you could injure somebody with a model boat. Including having their eye out with a TX aerial. And imagine if that eye belonged to Naomi Campbell, the claim would be huge.

There is also no end of the inventiveness of the ambulance chasers to elevate a claim.

As mentioned above a policy needs to be able to cover property claims by a third party.

It is just as easy to get a policy written for 10 pounds cover as it is for 10 million.

Any policy should be able to cover a worst case scenario, otherwise you are as exposed as if you have no insurance at all.

And yes it is all a huge pain in the butt to live in a litigious culture.
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Re: MODEL BOAT INSURANCE
« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2008, 03:06:06 pm »

I can imagine the advert already..

"I was paddling in the pond, minding my own business, when this model boat reversed into me without looking.."
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« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2011, 02:39:59 pm »

Stick it on your house insurance ring them up and state what it is and the value and they should cover you for a small premium
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« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2011, 09:58:55 am »

Stick it on your house insurance ring them up and state what it is and the value and they should cover you for a small premium
I think you have the wrong idea about this insurance issue truman06. Your household insurance will possibly cover you boats at home but they will not give you third party liabilty cover to the value of up to £5 million that is required in many cases.
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« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2011, 01:09:08 pm »

Someone mentioned earlier about what would happen if your boat caused a fire in a building at a show etc.

The insurance policies I've looked at will not cover you if the fire is found to be down to faulty electrics, so do bear that in mind, as I see a lot bad practice when it comes to wiring in models.

Also in reference to a mast poking someone eye out etc. You may want to ask yourself what happens if you accidently poke your finger in someones eye, or tread on their foot etc. Will your model insurance cover you for that? Ask, and make sure you get it in writing.
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« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2011, 11:15:01 pm »

Hello.
It is down to personal choice, but I have been using a Company called Walker Midgley for my modelling insurance, this Company specialises in cover for various sections of our hobby, the amount of cover is variable and is very reasonable regarding cost, look up on www.walkermidgley.co.uk  insurance is a very necessary item if sailing and in contact with public.
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« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2011, 08:30:44 am »

Join the BMPRS in UK and fully insured for any powered rc boat ,costs £10 wohoo.
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« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2011, 12:48:56 pm »

hi all what i am saying only applies to scale boat not ic steam or fast electric. OK so Joe public hurt them selves on your boat after ignoring the do not touch sign.
1 how do the know who you are. Under EU law i don't have to say any thing .
 2 how can they prove it was your boat ,forensics i don't think so. So now all Joe public knows it was a red boat at such a venue not a good start for a compensation case.
 As for damage against other modelers boats. If 2 or more boat are going to collide chances are it will happen on the water. As far as i know there are no rules for model boat on a lake. IE with a car there you drive on the left and give way to the right on round about etc etc. so when a collision occurs it is possible to find out who was in the wrong. so how would do this with model boat, who has right of way etc etc. I think in a collision it would be each party pays there own.
As for setting fire to a building. One has to ask how likely . With a scale boat the only source of ignition is the battery's so once they are discounted the risk is gone. Now i don't know about you lot but i don't tend to leave my boat unattended with the batters connected. So were the risk.
I have yet to see the need fore insurance other that to claim against if your boat get stolen.

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hi john
may i point out that public liabilty insurance is required due to the nature of the hobby as you say accident with scale boat may be less likely but its not only the use of the boat one the water thats covered its more !! say you got your boat out of your car with all the lids off so you didnt damage them  and for what ever reason the battery exploded because you only just bought it and wasnt aware there was a fault with it ?  yourself and others people were near enough to recieve bad injuries from the acid contained in the battery ! what would you do then with no insurance are u aware that you could loose your house !

heres the process you would hope for !

the injured person would be taken to hospital you go home nothing said ?     not in this day and age !

heres a brief script of what would happen !

you and the  person goes to hospital, not before the ambulance people or police have taken all your details oh dear under eu law you dont have to give it but you have without thinking !!
 then comes the next one the person has to have 2 weeks off work due to recieveing acid burns to his face and eyes !he comes out of hospital and rings a solicitor and starts taking legal proceedings againt you for loss of earnings plus medical expensences and anything else they can get out of you ! OH I FORGOT UNDER EU LAW YOU DONT HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS but to the police when they arrive because an ambulance was called you already have ! oh and they have made notes about the accident along with the ambulance service notes of injurys !

NOW MONTHS DOWN THE LINE
you are asked to appear at county court under a civil proceeding against you ! oh you dont attend because you dont see the need or have any insurance to help you ! hmm judge awards victim full costs applied for and find you guilty of not taking reasonable care and precaution ! or similar and you now have the victioms court costs too ! hmm £100,0000 by the time you finish ! now then your no where to be found so you think police have given statements with your name and given address etc wait for the next things to happen bailiffs from county court with a warrent or seisure of goods or even property to cover the costs !

this is a potential scale of what could happen (not that it has to my knowledge) but better to be safe than sorry ! for the sake of spending £10 on insurance (bmprs) or slightly more with other groups upto the individuals !  that accident would have been dealt with by the insurance with perhaps you making one or two statements and filling in a form or two !

answer me one question truthly john if some one hurt you or cause damage  tht meant you had to tak time off work would you let them get away with it if you thought they were at fault and you could make a good few quid out of it or set to loose money  ? no matter how it was caused or what with ?

chance is that you would think about claiming !

i hope others see the point of insurance and how its a safe guard rather than an argument point in todays society !

yes in the 80's people would have shrugged it of and got on with thing but today is different ! whilst many of us like to think we live if a perfect world where people dont claim sad fact is they do and for the slightest thing if they can get away with it !

just my point of view on the matter !

i wouldnt run and model without having appropriate cover as you just never know whats gonna happen ! it might be beyond your control but your could be held to blame !

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« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2011, 05:52:08 pm »

hi john
may i point out that public liabilty insurance is required due to the nature of the hobby as you say accident with scale boat may be less likely but its not only the use of the boat one the water thats covered its more !! say you got your boat out of your car with all the lids off so you didnt damage them  and for what ever reason the battery exploded because you only just bought it and wasnt aware there was a fault with it ?  yourself and others people were near enough to recieve bad injuries from the acid contained in the battery ! what would you do then with no insurance are u aware that you could loose your house !

heres the process you would hope for !

the injured person would be taken to hospital you go home nothing said ?     not in this day and age !

heres a brief script of what would happen !

you and the  person goes to hospital, not before the ambulance people or police have taken all your details oh dear under eu law you dont have to give it but you have without thinking !!
 then comes the next one the person has to have 2 weeks off work due to recieveing acid burns to his face and eyes !he comes out of hospital and rings a solicitor and starts taking legal proceedings againt you for loss of earnings plus medical expensences and anything else they can get out of you ! OH I FORGOT UNDER EU LAW YOU DONT HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS but to the police when they arrive because an ambulance was called you already have ! oh and they have made notes about the accident along with the ambulance service notes of injurys !

NOW MONTHS DOWN THE LINE
you are asked to appear at county court under a civil proceeding against you ! oh you dont attend because you dont see the need or have any insurance to help you ! hmm judge awards victim full costs applied for and find you guilty of not taking reasonable care and precaution ! or similar and you now have the victioms court costs too ! hmm £100,0000 by the time you finish ! now then your no where to be found so you think police have given statements with your name and given address etc wait for the next things to happen bailiffs from county court with a warrent or seisure of goods or even property to cover the costs !

this is a potential scale of what could happen (not that it has to my knowledge) but better to be safe than sorry ! for the sake of spending £10 on insurance (bmprs) or slightly more with other groups upto the individuals !  that accident would have been dealt with by the insurance with perhaps you making one or two statements and filling in a form or two !

answer me one question truthly john if some one hurt you or cause damage  tht meant you had to tak time off work would you let them get away with it if you thought they were at fault and you could make a good few quid out of it or set to loose money  ? no matter how it was caused or what with ?

chance is that you would think about claiming !

i hope others see the point of insurance and how its a safe guard rather than an argument point in todays society !

yes in the 80's people would have shrugged it of and got on with thing but today is different ! whilst many of us like to think we live if a perfect world where people dont claim sad fact is they do and for the slightest thing if they can get away with it !

just my point of view on the matter !

i wouldnt run and model without having appropriate cover as you just never know whats gonna happen ! it might be beyond your control but your could be held to blame !

mark


What plant are you on.
Batteries exploding like high Explosive GET REAL. Worst case they go pop and one of the vent lift. To Do that you have to short them out whit a peace of metal bar or over charge to the point you want it to go bang.
That other John is corect you dont need insurance . If you want it that your choise but let keep this thread to realty. Do you think we need insurance in case we some how bring a 747 down , the answer is NO.

Talk like that is what drives the insurance ,H/S cultchur we live in.

I challange any one on this forum to show me were some has been sued over a model boat incedent excluding IC boat Fast electrics and steam. I wait fro the rush of exampels to come foward.

If there were all thes claimes think an insurance would give you £20 000 000 for a £10 no way. Look how car insurance has gone up by claims .

NHS staff cant give out your address to any one . Patient confidentality.
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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2011, 06:15:04 pm »

As I said in an earlier post, many of these policies don't cover electrical faults- check the small print of your policy.

My way of thinking is that if you're going to have insurance, you're probably better off with personal liability insurance than a modellers specific policy. That type of insurance covers you for most activities you're likely to engage in, including things outside of modelmaking.
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« Reply #62 on: May 18, 2011, 08:46:48 pm »

Kirklees Model Boat Club are requried to have £5 million pound public liiability cover  to sail on the local park lake.
Anyone with less cover in my opinion is under insured
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« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2011, 12:05:10 am »

Hello.
It is down to personal choice, but I have been using a Company called Walker Midgley for my modelling insurance, this Company specialises in cover for various sections of our hobby, the amount of cover is variable and is very reasonable regarding cost, look up on www.walkermidgley.co.uk  insurance is a very necessary item if sailing and in contact with public.
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Hi Howard,

I'd be interested to know how much you paid for your insurance and how much cover you have, it may be you can save yourself quite a bit of cash by joining a club/society and thereby becoming insured under their public liability cover. Just a thought.  :-))

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« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2011, 12:33:22 am »

http://www.srcmbc.org.uk/index.php

Solent Radio Controlled Model Boat Club membership fees include Walker Midgley Insurance.


Membership fees are Single Member: £10, Family: £20, Couple: £15, Junior: £5 and the membership joining fee is now £5.

Policy.   http://www.srcmbc.org.uk/visinfo_insure.php
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« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2011, 08:50:03 am »

http://www.srcmbc.org.uk/index.php

Solent Radio Controlled Model Boat Club membership fees include Walker Midgley Insurance.


Membership fees are Single Member: £10, Family: £20, Couple: £15, Junior: £5 and the membership joining fee is now £5.

Policy.   http://www.srcmbc.org.uk/visinfo_insure.php
Nice to see another club with very reasonable membership fees, our fees at BMPRS are across the board, presently £10 in your first year and £8 thereafter at renewal (membership year is Jan - Dec) and this includes W.M. insurance underwritten by Royal Sun Alliance

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« Reply #66 on: May 20, 2011, 09:01:23 am »

i think some people have miss conceptions regarding insurance !
 its not only to pay people out but in todays culture we live in there are people who are just looking for the opportunity to be the victim of an accident no matter how it was / is caused ! its also to fight our / your corner should you happen to have the unfortunate experience of one of these people !

the point people are trying to make and not argue about is that let it not affect our hobby and try and safe guard ourselves from this ! without insurance should some one try to say for what ever reason you caused injury to them you could be in for a right old rough ride ! so no matter if its elastic band powered wind powered or any other type of model boat its better to have someone to fight your corner than have to do it yourself !

john as for NHS not giving personal details out no they don't to general public but if the police or solicitors contact them with details of an accident or trying to trace somebody that may be a fault they will give it to those ! oh by the way look on youtube regarding lipo fire explosions id didn't specify any types of batteries i only used it as a reference to try and get a point across of what could happen !!

as i explained above it doesn't matter who the accident is caused by, people are still looking to blame ! its only to apparent in the phrase "
 where theres blame theres a claim !" were now in 2011 not back in the 80's !!

£10 or £20 isn't that much really when you think of how much it could cost should your become one of the unfortunate people that may have a claim made against them !

i have also check the bmprs insurance does cover batteries powered models the only power that ARE NOT covered are rocket, pulse jet unit,gas turbine,turbojet or jetex ! 

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« Reply #67 on: May 20, 2011, 03:04:13 pm »

Here's the bit that concerns me, in the policy details of a well known model insurance provider-

Exclusions: -

Loss or damage caused by mechanical or electrical faults failures breakdowns or derangements


Now just what does that mean? Looks to me like a multitude of ways an underwriter called wiggle out of a claim with that one. "So Mr Bloggs, your battery went pop did it, well I'm afraid the policy doesn't cover you for that, you will need to speak with the company, shop etc. who supplied you with that faulty battery."
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« Reply #68 on: May 20, 2011, 08:27:11 pm »

i think some people have miss conceptions regarding insurance !
 its not only to pay people out but in todays culture we live in there are people who are just looking for the opportunity to be the victim of an accident no matter how it was / is caused ! its also to fight our / your corner should you happen to have the unfortunate experience of one of these people !

the point people are trying to make and not argue about is that let it not affect our hobby and try and safe guard ourselves from this ! without insurance should some one try to say for what ever reason you caused injury to them you could be in for a right old rough ride ! so no matter if its elastic band powered wind powered or any other type of model boat its better to have someone to fight your corner than have to do it yourself !

john as for NHS not giving personal details out no they don't to general public but if the police or solicitors contact them with details of an accident or trying to trace somebody that may be a fault they will give it to those ! oh by the way look on youtube regarding lipo fire explosions id didn't specify any types of batteries i only used it as a reference to try and get a point across of what could happen !!

as i explained above it doesn't matter who the accident is caused by, people are still looking to blame ! its only to apparent in the phrase "
 where theres blame theres a claim !" were now in 2011 not back in the 80's !!

£10 or £20 isn't that much really when you think of how much it could cost should your become one of the unfortunate people that may have a claim made against them !

i have also check the bmprs insurance does cover batteries powered models the only power that ARE NOT covered are rocket, pulse jet unit,gas turbine,turbojet or jetex ! 

mark

Mark
The Police need to get a court order to get details from the HNS and that is very raliy granted. Solicitors cant get info with out patient consent. Look it up
As for Lipo going bang I saw it to. That fact he diliberatley over charged to make it go bang was to show what can happen ,but then you would be  expect an accident to happen and I dought any insure will cover you for that.

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If that is in an  insurace policy then that policy ant worth the paper it is wrighten on.



Like I said earlier £10 £20 fees for £5 000 000 cover  prove the insures have never had to make a big pay out.

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« Reply #69 on: May 21, 2011, 09:40:45 pm »

Another item you should also take care with is your transmitter aerial, this should be protected. Now I have a good idea for this, and I have put it into practice, first buy a new set of radio (or secondhand if you can) then get a can of John Smith's Bitter, consume the beer, crack open the can and take out the widget, drill a hole in the widget and place on the end of the aerial. I have about twenty transmitters now, it's been good protecting the aerial tips. Anybody got any transmitters spare or even unprotected and needs a hand give me a call.
Alan
I'm just wondering if you cut your hand on the tin when you crack it open to get at the widget could that be classed as a boating related injury ?  :}
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Ps I'm not keen on J.S bitter it's Tanglefoot all the way for me....at least I know why I fell over  {-) {-) {-)
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« Reply #70 on: May 21, 2011, 09:45:46 pm »

Mark
The Police need to get a court order to get details from the HNS and that is very raliy granted. Solicitors cant get info with out patient consent. Look it up
As for Lipo going bang I saw it to. That fact he diliberatley over charged to make it go bang was to show what can happen ,but then you would be  expect an accident to happen and I dought any insure will cover you for that.

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If that is in an  insurace policy then that policy ant worth the paper it is wrighten on.



Like I said earlier £10 £20 fees for £5 000 000 cover  prove the insures have never had to make a big pay out.

John
Actually John it's just over £400 for the Public Liability Insurance for BMPRS, the £10 is the membership fee to join the society.

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« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2011, 05:00:14 pm »

Actually John it's just over £400 for the Public Liability Insurance for BMPRS, the £10 is the membership fee to join the society.

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As a matter of interest, do you mean that the policy premium is just over £400 and that the individuals share is paid for by his/her membership or that the individual's premium is around £400 (surely not)?
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« Reply #72 on: May 23, 2011, 05:12:47 pm »

Hi Dougal99,
The cost of the insurance is about £400, which is paid by the society. As a member of the society you are then covered by the insurance, that the society purchases on an annual basis. The cost to you is only £10  in the first year, then £8 in following years to join and be a member of BMPRS.
I hope this has answered your question.
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« Reply #73 on: May 23, 2011, 06:09:27 pm »

As a matter of interest, do you mean that the policy premium is just over £400 and that the individuals share is paid for by his/her membership or that the individual's premium is around £400 (surely not)?
Dave Shaw has answered your question (thanks Dave)  :-))  but I would like to add that if you want individual insurance rather than joining a club or society then that would cost you around £30 per annum through a broker (I think some brokers are now charging an administration fee on top of that).

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« Reply #74 on: May 27, 2011, 04:37:13 pm »


Dear All,

I have come in on this Topic at a very late stage, but it is something that interests me.

I would like to Insure my five vessels for Fire/Theft - anywhere - and would be pleased to join a Club to get it, and would be happy to pay £30 p.a. to get insurance.

Can someone advise please? Thankyou.

Regards, Bernard
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