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Do you Freelance?
« on: June 11, 2008, 06:19:52 pm »

Via email to Mayhem.....

...which brings me to my second request...

 to request that you add another section on your forum specifically for those modellers who enjoy building Freelance model boats. The photos attached are my latest effort, a sub chaser at 1/30 scale, 70 inches long,  but designed with two or three different warship components. It is still an unfinished model, drive train and a few upper deck details to add but should be ready in a month or so...

I search the web for a design that keeps my interest and then create simple plans with a graphics program, change the design by adding more weapons, deckhouses etc to fit an existing hull...these models are entirely scratchbuilt as mostl freelance models are.

I am aware that there are very few modellers who create freelance designs however I am certain that the new section, if created, will attract a few who are otherwise intimidated by the scale builders...I for one would prefer to upload my photos to a section where the " rivet counters " would be less likely to make negative comments...the way I look at it, if you link to a section called FREELANCE, it is realistic to expect models that are NOT scale, thus they can be accepted for what they are with no apologies.

Freelance models are ideal for the novice scratch builders  and even  those who modify their older kits that have seen better days..or those like myself and my friend who build ONLY freelance designs..

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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 06:24:28 pm »

I think a freelance section would be great,  as I am sure there are many modellers out there who do their own thing and so don't have to worry about anything being slightly out of place.., I am thinking of doing something freelance with a recently acquired hull myself.
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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2008, 07:44:20 pm »

  Thank god for that Martin, I thought that I was the only one that built my own boats to my wishes.
 I am also in themiddle of a 1/32 scale sub chaser and a soviet Bankert river gunboat ( 49" ) I'm sure that there must be others out there and on this forum so,,,
lets do it   bigH
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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2008, 08:18:38 pm »

There's nothing wrong with freelancing but the problem on the Forum is that it would cut across the other headings. It's also not entirely clear cut as there are quite a few people who buy boats on EBay etc. and then modify/complete them to their own requirements thus making them substantially freelance.

If we start creating headings for each type/category of boat that takes our particular fancy then all the recent work in rationalising the Forum headings (and there was a lot of it) will be wasted and the headings will simply become confusing again which is what people originally complained about.

The solution is to provide a cross reference so that people using the search facility can pick up what you are doing. For example, if you are building a freelance warship, post under the Warship heading but use the word "Freelance" in the topic heading so that the search facility can pick it up.

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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2008, 08:22:50 pm »

I blame it on my being stiil too young and innocent, but up until now I'd never even heard the term 'rivet counter'. What an eye-opener to learn of that sort of caper going on amongst the modelling fraternity. Stupidity, yeah - but jealousy, no.
Martin, tell the freelance dude he's got no worries. You only have to take a look at his work to know that.
Besides, a freelance thread would be a good excuse to show some of my own efforts without the rivet counters having a dig. Just about every model I've built from plan has always, always ended up deviating from the plan in some way or another. Why?....  Because of the fun factor.
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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2008, 08:31:52 pm »

My name is Pete and I'm a freelancer!

My patrol boat is a freelance build on a hull found at a car boot sale.

But I also kit-build, scratch build and have a ready-to-run boat.

So I'm happy to have any sections you like!
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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2008, 08:38:36 pm »

I've seen some pretty sophisticated and impressive freelance designs in my time. Certainly nothing to be shy about. Whatever floats your boat is the attitude on Mayhem. But I still don't feel they need a special section to themselves - puts them even further out of the mainstream.

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2008, 08:56:02 pm »

We (the funny straight running lot ie: no radio) have a "functional class" which is really any freelance / any thing that floats and goes straight class  (not always the case mind you)
here is an example, techie bits:Built 1960 by my Dad, LOA 3ft, Beam 11 inches, power 5cc glow engine, hull constuction 1/32 ply over ply bulkheads. LID :GRP Original power plant 7cc Taplin Twin replaced in 1975 when I refitted the hull.
Speed in MPBA comps: under 12 mph (our speed limit) in real life 18 mph.
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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2008, 11:45:32 pm »

Only 18mph and you think I am scared of that slow coach



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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2008, 01:46:01 am »

But I still don't feel they need a special section to themselves - puts them even further out of the mainstream.

Colin

You could hold the same argument about the rivet counters. Yet they have their own section as well. Heck, go one further and call it whimsical! But yes, I think a freelance section is in order. Lots of nice boats out there that stick to no particular plan, just going along with what "the voices in my head tell me to do".

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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2008, 08:51:51 am »

I cant see anything wrong with a freelance section as the forum seems to have sections for most other types of building.
Another reason for starting a new section is the lack of freelance work in the existing sections. I feel there must be lots more out there than we are seeing at the moment, probably because people dont know where to post their builds etc.
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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2008, 08:55:37 am »

Well Freelance is a new one , looking at the models shown here I think you belong under any of the sections on this site.
as they look superbly made models. and rivet counters are few and far between certainly at my club, most people would not notice
unless it was blatantly obvious anyway, I see no reason to have you in a section of your own. have the word Freelance in the title as suggested so people don't keep asking were can I get a kit of that one.

look forward to seeing more.

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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2008, 05:26:43 pm »

Freelance well thats interesting when does a model become freelance or not,well in my opinion for all it's worth is quite east really.It is as soon as the modeller decides to diversify away from the original.Put it another way if for example you go out and buy a Kit and decide well I don't like that fire monitor position or winch or whatever it becomes freelance WHY simply because it has been changed.Come on lets face it all the springers,Seaport conversions etc would end up in one big topic.NAH leave well alone.So what if your model is not to any scale shape or form the main thing is do you like sailing it,did yo enjoy putting it together if the answer is YES well brilliant if NO well take up knitting instead and to heck with what others say.Personally I think that 90%of the builds on here are freelance simply for ht reason the modeler has changed something from the original



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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2008, 06:28:28 pm »

Whilst it would be nice to be able to track down threads on whimsical, fantasy or homebrew designs.. all of these boats would generally already fall under an existing type category (work, sport, warship, etc)..

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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2008, 07:29:12 pm »

hi there all

With regard to 'freelance' building of models, scratchbuilding, kitbuilding....to be honest in my eyes they all have their good points and their bad points.   Like many topics in model boats we could spend ages arguing the pros and cons of them.

At the end of the day though, it all boils down to 'YOU ENJOY DOING WHAT YOU DO'.   You have to look no further than Ghosty's model of Nord Icelandia.   Hope I got your model's name right there Ghosty.   How many hours of pleasure has Ghosty had from that model.   Personally if we had One hundred pounds cash for every hour of enjoyment he has gained from that model, we would all be Millionaires.   He has just allowed his imagination to work for him....and he has produced a model that gives him that  UMPH satisfaction feeling, which most of us strive to achieve when building a model but seldom obtain.

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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2008, 11:52:39 pm »

I have been freelancing for over two years, Martin introduced me to another Freelancer in Parksville BC. Canada. Its been a build by email, we have been and had a visit at his Dock yard, nothing special to look at, but what comes out of that dock yard is some thing unique. More to come later.. ::) ::) ::). Pat
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2008, 02:08:50 pm »

Freelance well thats interesting when does a model become freelance or not,well in my opinion for all it's worth is quite east really.It is as soon as the modeller decides to diversify away from the original.Put it another way if for example you go out and buy a Kit and decide well I don't like that fire monitor position or winch or whatever it becomes freelance WHY simply because it has been changed.
Stavros

Don't think that's freelancing - thats using poetic licence or making use of best available fittinge etc.

Free lancing is building a model for which there is no full size prototype - although generally sticking to designs which "could" exist

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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2008, 04:07:39 pm »

The line between freelancing and kit-bashing (or plan-bashing) is smudged.. which is probably the way it should be..   O0
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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2008, 04:31:43 pm »

Both my previous and current R/C builds have been freelance, though loosely based on real prototypes. I find freelance building is particularly suited to civil ships as there were/are countless different designs and classes, many now poorly documented, and they often changed appearance + owners over the years, making individual ships unique (some types, such as steam yachts, were usually one-off custom builds in the first place); it'd be hard for anyone but a dedicated expert on a particular type and era of vessel to spot a freelance model. Building a model of a real ship with a real history is nice, but often very difficult due to lack of reference material; with the steam yacht I'm currently building, I only have a simplified plan and a single low-res photo of the prototype, so I am "filling in the gaps" with photos and drawings of other similar ships.

With warships it's a bit different, as most ships (at least of cruiser size and smaller) are one of a class rather than unique, and (for ships built in the last 100 years or so) references and historical information are readily available.
But that's just my preference - above all else, it's what you enjoy building that counts! Your Soviet sub-chaser looks amazing - I'm not too familiar with post-war ships, of any navy so certainly wouldn't have known it was freelance if you hadn't said; it looks very similar in style to other Soviet small warships I've seen, such as the Tarantul and Pauk-class corvettes.

IMHO a seperate section for freelance builds isn't a good idea, especially since, as other members have said, the line between freelance and kitbashed/planbashed/semi-scale is a very loosely defined one!

"What-if" or hypothetical designs are another aspect of this area. A while ago I saw a converted "Kriegsmarine 1946" 1/72 Schnellboot with hydrofoils and an 88mm deck gun - this would make an interesting R/C conversion for the new Italeri 1/35 kit!
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2008, 06:14:53 pm »

I happened to mention to the ex-wife once that I would need to apply some 'modellers licence' to a submersible I was building. Ex-wife, bless her little cotton undies, asked "shall I get you an application form at the post office"?

I asked her what application form? She said "for the modellers licence......."


Cheers,

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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2008, 08:38:20 pm »

The three freelance models shown here include a 70 in hull with 5 different superstructures available , a 51 inch hull with ten and a 40 in Elco hull with 8 superstructures.
The motors anmd universals in all three hulls are the same ROBBE 755/40 with Robbe Navy ESC. The small frigate has a single drive train as does the MTB.
 
The MTB ( 5 bladed 45mm brass prop )  planes beautifully however the running time is limited to 15 minutes of full throttle...
The smaller frigate is capable of running for 60 minutes on one charge of the 12V 5ah gel cell.
The 70 in hull will be launched soon, a 12V 9ah battery will hopefully provide 45-60 minutes on the pond.
 
There are many advantages to this system, the biggest is economy. I am able to build a new superstructure for less than $100.00 for the 70 in hull and approximately $40.00 for the PT boat and small frigate and of course the performance
for each " new" model is predictable.
 
The freelance concept would be very attractive for a grandfather wishing to share some quality time with a grandson. The grandson could build his own superstructure-deck and when it is time to sail, take two batteries to the pond.
Cheers from my freelance dockyard
 
John in British Columbia, Canada
 
 
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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2008, 08:34:33 pm »

Via email to Mayhem.....

Hello Martin
 
Now, for something different..
 
Two days ago I launched my 72 inch freelance on its maiden voyage and I was not disappointed...the two Robbe 755/40 motors push this heavy model to a realistic speed. I have the option of increasing the voltage from 12v to 18V which will provide higher RPM and a higher speed. The extra battery is already installed as useable ballast and it also powers the MP3 player/sound system...so there will be no increase in ballast to increase voltage.
 
The only observation during the sailing was smell of hot wires, so, I rewired the electrical from 18 guage to 14 guage and that solved the problem. I have a single heavy duty rudder servo installed, however the turning is most often on one of the two motors ( 2 x Robbe Navy ESC installed )
 
The missile corvette is based on the Indian Navy VEER class but designed with a helo deck for an attack helo...the second is a 1/30 scale subchaser...based loosely on the Soviet era STENKA class ....originally I had built a speed boat on davits in the midship deckhouse as fitted to Stenka patrol boats..but thought it too heavy so that boat was changed to inflatables...
 
Cheers from my freelance dockyard!
 
John
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Re: Do you Freelance?
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2008, 08:36:32 pm »


Here is the final variation of my freelance fleet , a Superyacht ( superstructure number 6 ) which had it's maiden voyage today. I had to add a extra 2 lbs of ballast to compensate for the weight of the speaker located in the housing forward of the helicopter.The white superstructure makes it difficult to take good quality photos in the bright sun however it was a successful adventure. I ran this model for over two hours on a single charge of a 12 volt 7ah SLA battery....
 
the sound that I loaded into the MP3 player was not the same playlist that I used to  support my warships, rather oldie
Rock and Roll songs that relate to the sea...ie Sea Cruise, Splish Splash.....good fun !!
 
Cheers from my dockyard
 
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British Columbia
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2008, 09:07:01 pm »

I admit to freelancing...see pic of the USS Dragonfish, based very loosely on the modified post war Guppy converted Gato class subs.


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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2008, 10:59:21 am »

I think allowing a freelance section would be a good idea.

Modeling, for me, is all about being able to be creative. I know the purist (of which there is at least one obvious candidate ;) ) will whine and moan and gnash their teeth BUT if there's a special section for it then everyone knows what is what.

Many a time finding a hull at a boot sale, on ebay or off another modeler is a brilliant blank canvas, and who's to say we're wrong in seeing it as such?

EVERY ship, generally speaking, was at one time a "Freelance" we just do it a bit smaller!  O0

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