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GaryM

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Cutting Lead
« on: August 06, 2008, 09:56:13 pm »

Can anyone suggest the best way to cut lead flashing, I bought some from Wickes the other day for ballest.
The dimensions are 3000mm X 150mm X 1.8mm (code 4)

I thought about using a hack saw, but didn't know if there are any health related risks or an easier way.

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catengineman

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2008, 09:58:52 pm »

A good pair of tin snips will slice through that easy

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2008, 10:05:17 pm »

A Stanley knife is the ideal tool for cutting lead. Run the knife over the lead several times till cut halfway though then flex lead. It will part on the cut.

Keep hands behind cutting edge.
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GaryM

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2008, 10:07:36 pm »

Thanks Catengineman and Richard
I haven't any tin snips yet, so I'll try first with the Stanley.

regards
Gary :)
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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2008, 10:10:46 pm »

How much are they asking for lead now?

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GaryM

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2008, 10:13:12 pm »

Hi
Cost £37.75 from Wickes  (can't remember pence exactly)
3m X 1.50m X 1.8mm (code 4)

Gary
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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2008, 10:20:34 pm »

Couldn't you get a narrower roll Gary ?
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nhp651

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2008, 10:30:43 pm »

try an old pair of garden sequetaires for cutting the lead. i use a pair and thet work well.
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Stavros

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2008, 10:33:53 pm »

One piece of advise I would give is to wear some gloves when cutting,as lead poisoning is not funny

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GaryM

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2008, 10:49:31 pm »

Hi Richard
I didn't stop to think :embarrassed:  I just got excited at seeing some!  (I was there after some wood for my Dad and bumped into the sign so to speak)
NHP651 and Stavros, thanks - yes I have a pair secateurs and a pair of pink marigolds that I will use.

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Gary :)
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Stavros

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2008, 10:57:04 pm »

OOH Pink what will the neighbours say O0

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2008, 07:18:02 am »



The real danger of lead poisoning is from ingesting the stuff - swallowing or via cuts and abrasions of the skin.  It would be highly improbable that you would ingest dangerous amounts of metallic lead through the pores of your skin by handling it.  You should be wary of any white powder that forms on lead though - this is the oxidised form of the metal - lead 'rust' in other words and this is more easily ingested.  This is the stuff that was used in putty, mixed with linseed oil.  The real dangers come from inhalation of fumes if you are melting the stuff.

Your Marigolds might look the business, but for cutting metallic lead, they're effectively a waste of time.

Lead poisoning is cumulative - the amount of lead in your system increases the more you are exposed to it.  Untreated lead water pipes can give you lead poisoning, but only if you drink a lot of water over a long period of time.  The water utilities companies dose drinking water with chemicals to 'coat' the inside of lead pipes to prevent this.
 
A word or two on melting lead and casting it into ballast weights...

If you have to do it at all, BE VERY CAREFUL.  Use proper equipment, do it outdoors or in a well ventilated area, keep it at arm's length and wear suitable eye protection (LEP) and a leather apron if you can find one.  Don't breathe the fumes, and make absolutely sure that the moulds that you are using are solid, inert, won't react with the molten lead, and won't cause splashing.

Headaches and nausea are symptoms of lead fume inhalation - if you experience any of these, stop immediately.

Malc





 
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Roger in France

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2008, 07:33:16 am »

Good advice from Malcolm.

I would add just one thing: make sure your moulds are totally dry. Even the slightest trace of moisture on the surface, in seams or within wood can cause the molten lead to explode all over you. This is caused by the moisture instantly turning to steam and erupting from the mould carrying molten lead with it.

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2008, 10:52:29 am »

If you are working with sheet lead there should be no need to melt it. It is very malleable so you can just cut and fold it into the approx shape you want and then bash it with a hammer. Easy!
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GaryM

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2008, 12:50:05 pm »

Thanks guys
I won't be melting it, I'll just cut and bend it, it's nice and flat in a roll so should be easy to shape.

regards
Gary :)
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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2008, 01:03:12 pm »

And by far the BEST ballast for warshıps about 4 feet or under ın length.

Bob
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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2008, 02:08:15 pm »

I use lead sheet occasionally at work as well - use a small hatchet or axe and a mallet - does a great job - tough to locate now as not used much on hydro / tel poles as it was before. Old plumbing joints sometimes yield some as well - best melted down.
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GaryM

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2008, 10:15:50 pm »

I thought after marking it out, going over the lines with an old chisel, then finishing it off with a Stanley, bit like your idea Mike but on a smaller scale.

Gary :)
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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2008, 11:07:01 pm »

If you try your local independent DIY store ie not B&Q etc, they may will sell the lead flashing to you by the foot. Well my local DIY store does.  O0

It comes on about 30m roll and is about 15cm wide (about 6").

If your using a hammer to whack a lump of lead into shape, it gets quite warm. Wouldnt ignite anything though.
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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2008, 06:19:34 pm »

Never knew that the "white stuff" was lethal. Oh dear. I sort of inherited a load of old lead water pipes that were coated (inside) with all this white stuff. Melted the lead down and just scooped off the top "rubbish" and threw it away. I guess that I was wrong to do this. Sorry.
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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2008, 07:40:27 pm »

Hi I think from your post that you have used old water pipes, they had a white / grey scale inside.
So I would say that what you have seen is the build up of chalk and the water companies coating, smelting lead is dangerous if you are not fully aware of what you are doing. (best advice is don't do it)

There will always be '"xxxxx"' on any ferrous /non ferrous metals if put into a molten state.

The rubbish you threw away was just that, even the oxide is no good to you.

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2008, 09:14:16 pm »



Bryan

As catenginman suggests, the thick white coating on the inside of the lead pipes will be what is colloquially known as 'limescale' , and nothing to be overly concerned about.

The Water Utilities add Orthophosphates (and a lot of other things that you don't really want to know about) to drinking water at the rate of 1 part per million (PPM) by volume.  The Orthophosphates effectively form a chemical bond with the metallic surface of the inside of lead pipes to prevent lead oxides being re-transmitted to water passing through the pipes and then into your goodself with your morning 'cuppa'.  The pipes will still 'fur' with limescale just the same.

The white powder to be careful with is the thin white 'dust' that forms on lead sheet when left exposed to the atmosphere for a long time.  It's not carcinogenic as far as I am aware, but being a powder, is more easily absorbed into your system than lumps of the grey metal.

Having said that, I wouldn't be overly concerned about it unless you are regularly handling large amounts of the stuff.  The real dangers associated with lead are around heating it to its molten state, breathing the fumes, or being splashed with molten lead.

It happened to me once, resulting in two separate trips to A&E some years apart.  The first trip was just after it happened, and I ended up holding my own right hand on a table whilst a doctor dug a lump of lead out of one of my finger joints with a sharp metal probe - no anaesthetic either.

The second trip was a couple of years later when the palm of my right hand suddenly became very sore for no apparent reason - another lump of lead had buried itself in the flesh and was now working its own way out back through my skin.

If all of this makes you dear fellow Forum members cringe to think about it, GOOD - hopefully it may make you all think very carefully about the possible consequences of messing around with molten lead.

Malc



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Roger in France

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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2008, 06:45:09 am »

Although most lead water pipe has been removed now if you think you have any in your system then I suggest you run the tap down the waste for a short while first thing in the morning. This is because the standing water will, over night, absorb some traces of lead.

Also, wipe the neck of your wine bottle after removing the lead foil (only used on expensive wine these days) and before pouring.(Well, you would expect me to know that wouldn't you!).

Roger in France.
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Re: Cutting Lead
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2008, 01:36:51 pm »

The decline of the Roman Empire has been blamed on water supplies running through lead pipes.  O0
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Roger in France

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2008, 06:22:32 pm »

Is there anything the decline of the Roman Empire has not been blamed on?

I guess Nero would vote for the fiddle. Julius Ceaser would say, "Watch your back". Caligula would say it was all his sister's fault. Claudius would blame it on the BBC!

Roger in France.
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