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The 1/16 Scale Steam Engine of the U.S.S. Monitor
« on: November 07, 2008, 12:38:13 pm »

As this is a friends, this is a one of a kind scale replica of the Monitor's engine. The 1/16 Scale Steam Engine of the U.S.S. Monitor. First are my pictures taken over the couple years at  the North American Model Engineering Show or N A M E S It is patterned after your big show.











Every part has been precisely scaled from badly faded working drawings, personal observations and photos shot at it's final resting place, The Mariners' Museum at Newport News Virginia. No castings were used on this model. All parts were machined from billets of it's respective metal.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 12:42:53 pm »

Absolutely beautiful and a real pleasure to simply look at.  I can only imagine what the complete model is going to look like if this amount of work is going into the engine alone!!

Many thanks for the pictures, I really enjoyed them.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2008, 01:01:00 pm »

2nd installment:






Tools that were made to assemble the engine. The tool with the brass pet cock on the end is to open the ones on the engine. The coin in the center is 25mm/1" dia dollar coin
Here is a album style assortment of pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjoat/sets/72157604705678938/

Here is a Utube of the engine hit the veiw in HD for blur free
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWn8gQ9Ykpk

Here is his site with more pictures of this engine and some of his other work.
http://www.stationarysteam.com/
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2008, 01:11:57 pm »

He isn't a boater, when you see his other engines. You will understand, he is already planning his next project. While working on the book and plans. But the most amazing thing about Rich is. he is very generous on sharing his knowledge gained thu building them and will tell you everything. He just did an article in the US live steam and outdoor railroad magazine on the making of the crossover pipe from built up billets. with a ton of pictures. as most don't believe he milled around the inside curve with out any fancy equipment.

Standing with him at the show and listening to the bench experts, tell their friends about how he milled around the curve with a flex shaft ball end mill in a mini milling machine. If I remember correctly Rich only has full sized machinery. And I'm still waiting for the company that makes ends mills with a flex shaft coming out of the ball. the guy hasn't answered my repeated emails for the company name or web site %% :}
So no model of the monitor as an RC boat.

Oh and something else every oil cup and drain petcock along with the copper drain lines works it is truly a scaled down replica.
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Re: The 1/16 Scale Steam Engine of the U.S.S. Monitor
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2008, 02:20:16 pm »

Beautiful.
 A work of art.


A couple of questions (for the steam buffs)....

1. Is a gate valve normal for the main valve for a steam engine?
2. The rotation "seems" non linear.... constant, is that just because it's a model, running slowly?
3. How "good", (efficient, reliable, powerful) was the the real engine?
4. I guess the big wheel in front of the engine is reversing gear?!?!?
5. What's the 'balance valve' for?



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Re: The 1/16 Scale Steam Engine of the U.S.S. Monitor
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2008, 03:04:49 pm »

What I know about the engine, is little and general in nature. I do know that the experts at the Smithsonian museum put the mock up of the real engine they brought up out of the drink together wrong so, it would have come apart in a very spectacular fashion. That this engine is by the same Ercsson of Sterling hot air engine pumping fame.

#1The admission valve is a grate valve as it resembles the grate over sewer grates. Long solts cvered by a corresponding gate with slots cut in to it.

the answer to #4 is yes.

#3 I don't know if it was used long enough to come to a conclusion if it would live up to the hype as it was not a cost effective engine to build.

#5 if you are referring to the balanced main steam chest valve, it had to do with getting equal stem to both cylinders.

#2 I believe that had to do with the smoothness of operation I do believe that the full sized would only run at a relative slow speed as far as RPMs go.

By the way I forgot to mention that he has about 3000 hours into it.
I have let him know that I have posted it here. and maybe he can answer some questions,  And correct me if I was wrong on any of the above!.


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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2008, 03:54:48 pm »

absolutely stunning.I don't know what I've been doing the last 50 years, but it certainly hasn't honed my skills to this degree. thats for sure.makes me feel inadequate.
Mind boggling. <:( <:( {:-{ %%
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2008, 04:28:53 pm »

absolutely stunning.I don't know what I've been doing the last 50 years, but it certainly hasn't honed my skills to this degree. that's for sure.makes me feel inadequate.
Mind boggling. <:( <:( {:-{ %%

I understand what your saying and feel your pain, since I have become associated with setting up the air lines and other stuff for the N A M E S expo. And listening to some of these master's talk about how they did this and that on the model. As in his article about using a wire point on the outside of the steam pipe to follow were the ball end mill is in side. As it is just a piece of wire wrapped around a non moving mill spindle part with a 90' bend in it so it is set on the center line of the part on the outside while the ball mill is on the inside. It makes me never what to show my inferior work again.
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2008, 04:34:57 pm »

I have a correction to make, the article about Producing an internal bore around corners. Was in the Home Shop Machinist magazine November/December 2008. And not the  LiveSteam and Outdoor Railroad magazine.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2008, 05:29:30 pm »

WOW !!!!

This is absolutely stunning work and from such a poor set of drawings.
I also have a set of the original builders drawings for Monitor from the U.S national archives and they really are faded almost unreadable in places, quite common for blue line prints.

I look forward to further images if you have any, as this was going to be a future project for myself...some time....eventually....maybe never

Thanks for posting them

Ian

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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2008, 06:24:43 pm »

As usual Glen, you have shown things us mere mortals aspire to.

The people that make these wonders in engineering, in my mind, are true global artists, and they never get the recognition in the wide world, only in the small circles they live and work in.

Wonderful, and keep up the good work.

John

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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2008, 06:42:41 pm »

I agree John,the skill some people have,to make a fully functional piece of machinery,in such small scale and look as impressive
Mark
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2008, 08:07:28 pm »

just put my dad on to this, old school precion engineer. he was amazed. talked me through how the internal bore was machined. would have taken forever, and if any one disturbed you then you were stuffed. mums gratefull, dad will be looking at that for ages.
followed the link to another site with the unpronouncable engine. oh wow.
oh please more info, pretty please.
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USS Monitor steam engine
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2009, 04:55:18 pm »

My good friend Rich has won! For his  operating USS Monitor engine.

Here is the press release about Sherlines 2009 award winner.

Richard Carlstedt of Green Bay, Wisconsin is the 13th winner of the Joe Martin Foundation for Exceptional Craftsmanship’s top annual award. As a manufacturing engineer, precision metalworking has been a part of his life for many years, and in his own home shop those high standards carry over into his personal projects.
As a kid he built model airplanes, once building six straight stick and balsa models of the WWI Spad biplane fighter until he got it just right. At age 11 he built a powered model of the Union ironclad ship the USS Monitor. Interest in that ship would follow him through life, and that early determination to get it “just right” has paid off in a world class project.
A little about Richard Carlstedt’s career
Richard studied pre-engineering in high school and worked as an apprentice machinist at Ford Aircraft to make money for college, hoping to get an aeronautical engineering degree. Once in college he changed that to mechanical engineering when he was told only graduates from MIT or Cal-Poly actually end up working in the wind tunnel. Finances eventually ended his college days and he went to work in construction to support a young family. He went back to the metal working trades and worked his way up from mechanic/machinist into management. During this time, he continued to attend night school with aspirations of a degree. On assignment in Canada in 1971, he met some friends who were live steam addicts and joined the Ontario Sun Parlor Lines steam club where he built his first steam engine—a Stuart Turner 7. He returned to Chicago four years later and joined the Chicago Model Engineers where he learned from experts like Emery Ohlenkamp, and Roy Ozuf as well as his own father-in-law, a retired tool and die maker.
After working for ten years in Northern California in a manufacturing engineering capacity he returned to Detroit to take the Society of Manufacturing Engineers test, which he passed to become certified as a manufacturing engineer. He continued working with metal dies and machinery and was eventually transferred to Wisconsin, where he resides today.
Over the years his hobby interests involved model airplanes and later, live steam engines. His Hypocycloidal Pumping Engine, based on an original on display in the Ford Museum was selected as the featured engine at the 2005 NAMES show.
Building a model of a historic ship engine
His early interest in the USS Monitor was rekindled in the early 1970’s when he read an article about the ship in National Geographic stating that the sunken wreck had been discovered and work was planned to recover it. He had also seen a pattern model of the engine on a trip to England in 1977. He vowed that someday when he was retired he would like to model the engine from that historic ship. In 1997, the US Navy started recovery of that ship, and he began several years of research on the engine. This took him to many museums and archives in the US and Britain, but eventually between these archives and consultation with the Mariner’s Museum in Newport News, VA he was able to piece together details on the original engine, no complete drawings of which were ever published.
Years before, a medical restriction on lifting had cause Richard to move from heavy model steam railroad projects to smaller stationary steam engines that could be built on a tabletop. This in part helped determine the chosen scale for the Monitor engine of 1/16. The engine was completed in 2007 and displayed at the North American Model Engineering Society show among other places. Richard plans to gather all the research data he prepared in producing the engine and publish a book on it to further the understanding of this unique engine among historians.
The extensive research involved in this unique engine and the uncompromising level of quality to which it was produced brought Richard to the attention of the Joe Martin Foundation. Richard’s intention to make this information available to others in a book is also a factor in the decision to name him the Foundation’s “Metalworking Craftsman of the Year”. This award along with a check for $2000 will be presented at the North American Model Engineering Society Expo, April 18-19, 2009 in Toledo, Ohio. Several of Richard’s engines including the Monitor engine will be on display at the Foundation’s show booth, and Richard will be there to discuss the project.
A page on Richard with photos of the engine, his other projects and his shop can be found at www.CraftsmanshipMuseum.com/Carlstedt.htm. A video of the engine running can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWn8gQ9Ykpk. (Be sure to select “View in High Quality” to better appreciate the fine workmanship.) The video is also liked from his museum page. You can also learn more about the Joe Martin Foundation and its goals at www.CraftsmanshipMuseum.com. The foundation was established by Joe Martin, owner of Sherline Products Inc. to honor the "best of the best" in the field of metalworking at the small end of the size scale. The foundation is approved as a 501(c)(3) organization and contributions of tools, projects or funds are tax deductible under US Tax Code.
For further information contact Craig Libuse, director. 1-760-727-9492 or craig@craftsmanshipmuseum.com.
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WOW! What a truly superb piece of model engineering! O0 :-))
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that really is unbelievable. his work has really paid off
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USS Monitor steam engine
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2010, 02:13:33 pm »

Really impressive model engineering, the sound alone . . .
Enjoy, cheerz, A!H.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWn8gQ9Ykpk&feature=related
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Re: The 1/16 Scale Steam Engine of the U.S.S. Monitor
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2010, 02:56:58 pm »

All similar topics now merged.  

     What a work of art!   :-)
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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2010, 03:23:34 pm »

Vacheron Constantin comes to mind, indeed it matches the work of the finest watchsmith...  O0
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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2010, 06:44:20 am »

Martin asks .......2. The rotation "seems" non linear.... constant, is that just because it's a model, running slowly?

1. when we consider a double acting single cylinder engine.....as the piston approaches TDC or BTC it is at it's hightest acceleration
2. due to the nature of the crank construction..the actual piston speed then hence direction makes a dramatic reversal
3. there is even a theoretical minute period of unit of time when the piston is considered stationary @ TDC or BTC
4. so the viewing of non linearility of motion is not an optical illusion
5. yes, higher rotational shaft speed sends this to a blur ....but the non linear motion still occurs

If we consider the same design engine but with two double acting cylinders

6. the apparent non linearility of motion is halved as when one cylinder is approaching it's highest acceleration..... at the same time as the other piston is reaching an 180 degree out of phase acceleration ...so this effectively dampens out the effect....Derek Inocent
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