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[Roadrunner]

Right... I'm just wondering how long it will take for the plot to come out looking like two main characters that single handily pushed back the attack on Pearl Harbour in there spitfires and Hawaiian shirts.

As for the dog called N*gger well it was racist then (KKK anybody?) don't think calling it digger is to far out of place but i wonder how many people will really know what that name was all about.

''Sir we got another n*gger''

                  or

''Sir we got another digger'' starting to sound like something out of Black Adder goes forth, oh wait Stephen Fry is writing it... no wonder.. ''Come On Darling!''

[bikerdude666]

Ridiculous in my opinion! Ffs it's what it was called, could kind of understand it if it was a nickname for a black pilot but come on!

[unbuiltnautilus]

This film project was first mentioned over two years ago and then went very quiet, heres hoping it wasnt the dogs name holding back what will, hopefully be a worthwile remake of an excellent movie of a heroic moment in RAF history. They already have full size lancaster replica bombers crowding out the effects workshops in New Zealand!

For the record... PC LUNACY.

[dreadnought72]

I'm in two minds about this.

...No, three.  

1/ Films telling historical stories are never accurate - but that's ok, since we all buy into the "compress events, characters and plot into 100+minutes" thing, and can use a film as a springboard for further research if we wish. So I don't mind if elements are changed, as long as they're not detrimental to the source material. A name change, in this instance, is not detrimental.

2/ PC Lunacy would include black and female RAF aircrew, presumably? Maybe a wheelchair-using bombardier, a blind pilot and a midget tail gunner? I suspect we'll see none of those things.

3/ If I were to take my boys to the cinema to see this (they're 9 and 13) without the name change then I'm certain they'd be suprised (and hopefully offended) at inappropriate language used in what would appear to be a bizarre context. It would require explanation of that context: and that's something I will certainly do after they'd enjoyed the film - a chance to explain the reasons for the name change and to place the events in their historical setting.

Andy, keen to see what Peter Jackson and modern technology can do with this story, and certainly not upset by this most minor of alterations.

[unbuiltnautilus]

Imagine the indignation if they did use the name, you would never hear the end of it, probably best to gloss over this piece of history to preserve the rest of it.

[Jonty]

  Since when have films had any connection with history?. Gandhi, for instance, was a stunning picture but wildly inaccurate, and there are countless other examples. Films have to make a profit. If you want history, read a well chosen book. It will be interesting to see if this film is any more accurate than the original or for that matter, Brickhill's book.

  The aircraft in the photo, incidentally, are Manchesters - reckoned to be more of a danger to their crews than the enemy.

  Re Dreadnought's #2: Ron Dean was waxing highly amusing at Wicksteed about how two civil servants visited him to insist that his sets of crew figures contain at least one woman! And we pay these drones' wages.

[dodgy geezer]

What I want to know is:

Who will play the brilliant American inventor who told Barnes Wallis how to design the bouncing bomb?
Who will play the dashing American pilot who actually leads the mission but whose existence has to be kept secret because America is not in the war yet?
Who will play the beautiful American spy who finds out something critical to the mission, like where the dams are, and then falls in love with the dashing American pilot?
Who will play the daring American general who actually conceived the whole plan but needed to use Britain as a base because Flying Fortresses did not have the range from the US? (You didn't know the aircraft were really Flying Fortresses, did you?)

You will need all these people if the film is to sell in the US. As it is, expect Joe McCarthy to eclipse Gibson in most of the scenes....

 

[essex2visuvesi]

There goes another classic movie ruined :(

Should be left well alone.....

[Circlip]

What difference does it make to the story if the dogs name is changed? The film is about a propoganda exercise in WW2 that didn't stop production to the extent it was broadcast to have done.

  Did the same thing a few years later in the Falklands on the Airfield with the Vulcan. Totally ineffective but a moral booster to show that "We could"

  Not decrying the bravery of those that fought and died in WW2 to make a land fit for heros  but weren't they fighting Rascism?

  And lets not forget who were the "Cruise controllers" feeding the American slave trade.

  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  Regards  Ian.

[dbninja]

What I want to know is:

Who will play the brilliant American inventor who told Barnes Wallis how to design the bouncing bomb?
Who will play the dashing American pilot who actually leads the mission but whose existence has to be kept secret because America is not in the war yet?
Who will play the beautiful American spy who finds out something critical to the mission, like where the dams are, and then falls in love with the dashing American pilot?
Who will play the daring American general who actually conceived the whole plan but needed to use Britain as a base because Flying Fortresses did not have the range from the US? (You didn't know the aircraft were really Flying Fortresses, did you?)

You will need all these people if the film is to sell in the US. As it is, expect Joe McCarthy to eclipse Gibson in most of the scenes....

 

Dodgy....


nail hit by hammer!

we will be able to add this one to the Americans cracking the Enigma code, inventing the Harrier jump jet, and all the other utter tripe that is forced upon us by our tv providers (including the discovery channels)

db

[nhp651]

There goes another classic movie ruined :(

Should be left well alone.....

quite agree...the originals are always better IMHO...........and why bother when the original is still being shown and watched anyway......

mind you probably won't stop me from going to watch it......purely as a critical oversight, honestly, lol

[malcolmfrary]

Are the Australians not going to be a bit peeved?
Most of us have some sort of specialist knowledge.  Every so often, the media blunders onto that area.  It very rarely comes near to getting the bits I know about right.  I suspect it does the same everywhere else, but most people, despite knowing that the media knows sweet nowt about their field, invariably assumes that the rest of their driveling is true.  The world might well wonder why a Black Labrador was named after the then nickname for Australians.  A tiny minority might look, but in the scheme of things it will not matter much.  An act of great skill and courage happened, and it should not be forgotten, but it will be.  My dad told me about the East Lancs getting their seven VCs before breakfast, but as it will be difficult to work Americans into the middle east in 1916, a film, even an inaccurate one, is unlikely.  More forgotten heroes.
At least if this film gets made, the memory will be revived.

[richtea]

RE Dreadnought72
Post number 4
Paragraph 2 PC lunacy
In 1977 I worked at a colliery in S. Yorkshire and the onsetter ( the bloke that controlled the cage from the pit bottom )
Was nicknamed  BLITZ.
He was about 5 foot 2 on his tiptoes and was a tailgunner in the 2nd World War.
He always said that they only picked him for that turret because he was small enough to take his parachute into the turret with him.  

[The long Build]

IMHO its ridiculous, That was the dogs name period..So basically History is getting rewritten to suit the dime bars..

The word is mentioned a few times in Pulp Fiction..nobody seems to get upset that I ever heard off..

I would not use the word to describe anyone or to call someone as that is now how it is however that was the dogs name..

[treeboa]

bloody pc is getting silly, how can calling something ni**er be a no no when in america black rappers seem to use the word when talking to each other, seems to be its the white pc brigade that have the issue not the people it apparently offends

wont be long, a new film which old winnie plays a role, he wont be allowed to use the two fingered victory salute nor be seen to smoke his cigars, its already in the model world, you cant get a model with swastikas on the decal sheets, i built a 1:16 beutepanzer , tried like hell to get the decals i wanted for it, not a chance, apparently it may upset some people - the bloody tank had swastikas on it, in the end i made my own decals , how long before no ones allowed to mention the holocaust ?? or use panzer/waffen ss in films

im seriously considering building a german torpedo boat, might just have `Deutschland über Alles` being played from a soundboard within it, see if the same idiots that baned the union jack being flown ban me from sailing it

[Roadrunner]

That's cos black people can call each other n*ggers (lol it didn't bleep that out!) and its not racist its just insulting same as me calling you a "idiot" (<-- supposed to say t w a t)   but when a white person says nigger its like instant clan hate, as i said KKK mentality we have our fore fathers attitudes towards those we find equal today to blame for that.

Shame that saying gollywog is also seen as racial hatred but i have a little gollywog sat on top of my radio in the workshop and i'm sure he keeps me sane either that or i';ve lost the plot and started talking to myself, errr but i swear he talks back!  

[pugwash]

OH come off it Ian now we are bringing the slave trade into it -  yes like many other countries at a less enlightened age
we were involved in the slave trade - we weren't the first country into it but we were certainly the first country to ban it
Geoff

[Roadrunner]

Giving up on this topic...

[treeboa]

and the main protagonists of this crap are white 

[RaaArtyGunner]

But us diggers will just subtly and quietly bomb and kick the crap out of the yanks.
Digger is now the current term for the Australian soldier.
Will get onto Julia, Our PM, to have a word with Obama she'll fix them, 
It is PC gone mad, an even more ridiculous example, in Oz we have a brand of cheese called 'Coon', some idiot applied to have it banned as it was racist.
Like the cheese wasn't black.

[yorkiej]

I was going to comment on two posts but now I have come to do it,  I realise that to do so would perpetuate this PC rubbish and give it the oxygen of discussion.
All I can say to the supporters of this PC drivel is get a life and read your HISTORY PROPERLY. i.e. from old books which have not been tainted by the Tony Blair school of apologists.
Needless to say, I shall not read this thread again.
Proud to be 1943 British.
John

[over_powered84]

what i find funny is the fact that stephen fry is rewriting something that if taken by the wrong Deutsch speaker could be offensive to them since it was their fore fathers butts that took the kicking.... do we ever hear of that being offensive?

personally i think the dogs name should be left well alone and remains untouched as it gave meaning to the brave men of the time, call me naive being 27 and not having lived it but i often get a history lesson from a good friend who lived close to the time etc

[HS93 (RIP)]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-13727908  ( be aware this link has historically correct information)

it also seems to have made some of the papers, so it may be interesting if they decide to Re name the Pooch, funny the BBC seems to have no problem calling him by his proper non PC name.

peter

[over_powered84]

looks like history is being REWRITTEN after all, it wont even be a "coloured" Labrador to play "Digger" but a Yorkshire Terrier named.... 'foreign' lol  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-13727908/ext/newstracker/c.moreover.com/-/http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?z4831445152&z=1250248784

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