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glennb2006

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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #75 on: February 13, 2009, 12:10:03 pm »

I'm not sure where they're actually made.

Bolton and Essex as far as I know! Not that I am not having fun, it is just slow progress nd as Ian pointed out earlier, frustrating waiting while epoxy dries.

It's gettting more interesting now as the hardware is getting together to be fitted out.

More pics during the weekend Ian.

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2009, 02:05:33 pm »

I hear you on the slow thing mate ,try making a plug its painstakingly slow ive never done so much filling priming sanding in my life my fingers are sore as blazes .Oh well it will be worth it in the end ,its good to see the finnished results of all your hard work when your done.Keep at it you will get there  :-)).
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #77 on: February 23, 2009, 01:01:57 am »

Sorry for no updates for a while, the build went onto the backburner for a while whilst work got hectic - always gets in the way of the fun eh?

Sponsons now skinned - which pleases me, that was time consuming. So starting to fit hardware to the hull, once engine mounts are located I will be in position to fit the deck. It's getting there!

Photo's to follow. Camera battery flat. (Sorry Ian)

Still wishing I'd got the GV I think! {:-{

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #78 on: February 23, 2009, 01:34:36 am »

How much you want for it Glenn  {-)
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #79 on: February 23, 2009, 02:11:04 am »

If you'd asked a week ago it would have been in the post for free. Going to finish it off and see what it goes like, then get a GV - maybe. People seem to love 'em once they have them so we shall see.

Got another boat last week too - this one more offshore style, so something to test motors in whatever the weather.....

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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #80 on: February 23, 2009, 07:40:34 am »

How much you want for it Glenn
One for sale here Mart, open to offers...http://www.smbf.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2029

Waiting 2 weeks for an update and no pics >>:-( :} A pity that real life has to disturb the serious business of modelling!!!!

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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #81 on: February 23, 2009, 01:29:46 pm »

Darn it and you know how i luv free stuff,i was just joking mate all my money is tied up trying to get my moulds built for the t boat  {:-{.I think you will love that hydro when you get her dialed in  :-)).Thanks for the link Ian no harm in looking ehh  O0.How bigs the offshore boat Glenn and is it something new ?.I like those new monos from speedcraft in the states Brian my buddy just sent me some pics of the one hes waiting for it looks awesome not really an offshore type though, looks dam fast just sitting there.this is one i wouldnt mind having in the future thats for sure.
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http://www.jrcbd.com/showthread.php?t=22627
If you'd asked a week ago it would have been in the post for free. Going to finish it off and see what it goes like, then get a GV - maybe. People seem to love 'em once they have them so we shall see.

Got another boat last week too - this one more offshore style, so something to test motors in whatever the weather.....

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #82 on: February 24, 2009, 11:28:20 am »

Hey Glenn seems like the new gv whip is picking up speed someone just broke the g1 sports hydro heat racing record by 5 seconds .Looks like the wood version has a challenge on its hands now  <*< lol.
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #83 on: February 24, 2009, 07:16:43 pm »

Hey Glenn seems like the new gv whip is picking up speed someone just broke the g1 sports hydro heat racing record by 5 seconds .Looks like the wood version has a challenge on its hands now  <*< lol.
Mart

Hate to say I told you so.  Actualy, no I don't - told you so!! There, that's better.

We shall see how it all pans out, lot of factors involved that can have an effect.

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #84 on: February 24, 2009, 07:59:03 pm »

Blahh i figured you would say that  ;D im sure Scott will go out and break it again with his wooden one just to keep us all guessing which is best lol.
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #85 on: February 24, 2009, 08:11:21 pm »

Hmm, now there's a thing, his is not stock though - and it is a Gen1 version. Or was.

There's always someone faster - that's the beuty of racing, you can't stop going forwards.

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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #86 on: March 07, 2009, 03:21:49 am »

Right, I'm back - work been manic recently, camera been playing up and 3 kids, so not posted anything for a little while. Sorry to any watchers who've missed the updates.

Good news - for me, the sponsons are done, in fact, the hull is done, only needs the deck on.



The hull from the rear.




The hull from the front.

As you can see, the rudder bracket and drive strut are fitted, the rudder is awaiting arrival of a new rudder bearing block witht he control horn on the right side instead of the left, want the rudder on a "pull to turn right" set up, the control rod is around 400mm for this thing. The rod itself is carbon fibre, got a test sample curing now with 3mm studs bonded in, wnat to ensure my servos are not going to be able to pull the studs out of the carbon fibre tube, so calculated that on 15mm servo horn, the S3305 servo with torque of 8.9Kg/cm, will be capable of exerting a linear force not exceeding 6.675Kg.

So I am going to clamp my test piece in the vice and try to hang 7Kg off it, if it's a success then I have my control rod sorted! Brutal but effective.

I now have an engine ready for this boat too, I had a new Zenoah PUM26 which was un run, I recently completed some porting alteration work, along with piston lightening, etc etc, the engine was test run last week in my Panther and ran very well. Good spread of power with a fairly healthy top end, got over half an hour running on it so it is run in and ready to start to increase run times and speed. This will happen in the Whiplash. I also picked up a CS23a Prestwich tuned pipe for the model - great pipes, plenty of power and very quiet.

So as you see, it's coming together. Next to do is mount the motor properly to the hull, then fit the prop shaft tube.

Here is a sneaky peek at the turn fin - I told you all earlier it is huge!



Hope to get more done this weekend for uploading Sunday.

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #87 on: March 07, 2009, 10:50:05 am »

Looking good there Glenn.

On the CF tubes, you are reinforcing the outside of the tube with a binding or a sleeve I hope, they have a tendency to split otherwise. I have used threaded rod all through the tube and bonded, the ends can't fall out!!
I have also used components from here http://www.petetindal.co.uk/Component%20Fittings/ Nicely made and easy to use.

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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #88 on: March 07, 2009, 11:30:30 am »

Very nice Glenn thats looking good,for my pushrod or should i say pull rod  ;)  i just used piano wire running inside a carbon tube from my lads tent,works flawless.Its arround 670 mm long so has to be in a sleeve .Nice turn fin did you make that? what ali did you use as i need to make some for the new hydros to include in the kit.
Mart
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #89 on: March 07, 2009, 12:52:35 pm »

The turn fin is stainless. I had thought of ferrules over the ends of the CF rod - nothing on the test pieces. I will make some, did not want 3mm rod all the way through, thought it a bit heavy. It will be strong.

I'll do some testing. Watch this space!

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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #90 on: March 07, 2009, 01:13:36 pm »

Cool what thickness is the fin ?
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #91 on: March 08, 2009, 08:03:51 pm »

OK, more progress, though slight. Still - it's progress!

The fin is 3mm thick Martin, and hard as bell metal. The bracket is pretty thick aluminium, 6mm.

Below some photo's of my brutal (but effective) test on the pushrod. I bonded into some carbon fibre tube two 3mm stainless cap head allen screws, which it is my intention to use as the connectors if my test was successful.

By calculation, I reckon in worst case stalled or seized rudder scenario, with the servo horn out at 15mm, my servo can generate 8.9Kg @ 1cm, so max at 15mm = 6.675Kg.

This is near enough for the linear force.

So my test rig was assembled - a lump of 3x2 to support the top end, some builders twine and a bucket.



Here is the pushrod



And here is the pushrod being tested. Water torture!

In the end, I managed to get 9litres in, so near enough 9Kg, more than it is going to get in real life. No reason to think it would not have done more, but no point. Plus I might have got wet!

So proof of concept - proven, tick in the box for that one. Once I make the real pushrod, which will have some ferrules to prevent the CF splitting at the ends, which I have been informed can be an issue (Thanks Ian), then I will test the real sample before fitting it. Nice to know something should not fail you on the water.


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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2009, 11:30:09 pm »

I know theres a lot of guys building epoxy hulls on your side of the channel Ian but i don't know of any in the UK who actually make any epoxy hulls themselves although some do sell them I'm not sure where they're actually made.Ill let you get on with it Glenn i wont say have fun as it seems your not convinced wood is your friend.Maybe you will change your mind when you run it,for me building is more than half the fun of this hobby but to each their own.
Mart
  FYI  We have been making quality epoxy hulls for 20 years here in sunny Cheshire.
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2009, 11:40:05 pm »

I know, I got three of 'em in the garage Dave!!

Shame you can't make me an epoxy boat similar to the Whiplash!

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #94 on: October 09, 2009, 12:25:55 am »

OK- it's been way too long I know, but the Whiplash build has restarted! Hooray.

I have completed fixing the nose blocks into position, they will be sanded to shape tomorrow. The sponsons are going to get some reinforcement with glass fibre tape and epoxy, as will various parts of the tub to help cope with the high stresses involved.

I am optimistic that by the end of the weekend I will have the top fitted. Time will tell.

I have been inspired again to complete the build after buying a glass fibre Whiplash. I have run it several times now and the thing is really good fun, very stable and quite quick, I managed to GPS it at 72MPH last weekend, that was witht eh rougher water turn fin fitted which is much higher drag than the other one I have, so with some flat water it will be interesting.

Glenn

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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #95 on: October 11, 2009, 07:46:55 pm »

Some progress this weekend, the trun fin bracket is now on,the tub has most of the joints taped and epoxied, this has made the hull a lot more rigid, I was hopeful of getting the enigne mounted into the hull and prop shaft tube fitted in, which would have allowed the deck to be bonded on, but alas the engine mounts I got for it are not the correct ones, the engine mounts I need are the usual hypertorque style though they seem to "drop" the motor further at the drive end. I might try the ones in from my other whip and if they are right then I can fit the rubbers. There's a slight problem to overcoem there too, I try to use metric rubbers (for ease of replacement) where possible, the American ones have some funny sizes, and most seem to come with American threads. I need to fit the rubbers with captive nuts, the largest I can find are 5mm, does anyone know where I can get them in 6mm?

Turn fin bracket has been modified and dressed up, and is now fitted to the back of the right sponson.

Also I was not able to get a pool flotation sausage, I was going to fit this to the compartments before the lid goes on. ANy ideas on retailers in the UK who have them please?

I will try to get some more pictures up later on.

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #96 on: October 11, 2009, 10:15:33 pm »

Most poundshops seem to have pool noodles they sell em off cheap this time of year 50 p each lol .You can use pipe insulators though they work ok ,get those at B&Q.Glenn i use those mounts of Daves on my Rocket if you flip the small rubber bracket up the other way the motor will sit lower.
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #97 on: October 11, 2009, 11:51:41 pm »

Cheers Martin,

they look very much like the set of mounts I tried initially which are TSB - they are not quite right for the space I have, it is pretty tight, and, they interfer with my throttle linkage set up.

As to the flotation, I'll give the cheap shops a loook and see what I can find. I don't want to use pipe lagging as it does soak in water after time.

I might try and see if I can find 5mm stud rubbers the corect simensions which will help with my engine mount problems.

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #98 on: October 12, 2009, 10:01:25 am »

If i see any in town in grab a handfull and let you know mate and ill cut it in 3 pieces and post it lol,you probably only need one for it id think.Home bargains might have some,b&m bargains ,if not on display ask em they might have some left in store room.Ive seen em on ebay too before and another source for good foam is kids boogey boards just rip the cover off and use the foam cut into blocks.
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