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[Edmund]

Hello, Anyone please tell me how to do hull plating ? would the plates lap over at the edges , like in - out - in - out? (like Titanic for eg), or would they butt up edge to edge? Looks like they have something between them horizontally on the pics . Hmm  

thanks , Ed.

[BarryM]

Ed,

"It all depends" is the answer. There are several systems of plating depending on ship type with 'all flush' being the most expensive. I will dig out my old books and put up a few pics.

Barry M

[tigertiger]

Here are just a few links to some builds and some questions regarding hull plating.

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=14370.0
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13888.0
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2165.0
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4715.0

If you go to the main page and do a search you will find more.

I hope this gives you a start.

[nhp651]

diagrams taken from Nicholsons seamanship and nautical knowledge 1554 vintage. hope they help.

[BarryM]

Eh? - 1554 vintage? You must have been an apprentice to Noah! 

Mine are only 1942 vintage.

[BarryM]

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[BarryM]

and last

[nhp651]

slip o' the finger, barrie.
must take more tonic with it, and the sun wasn't even over the yard arm either,lol

[Edmund]

  Thanks for the links and all the diagrams, just the job, the one re applying to plug esp , as this is what I will be doing. Right ah's off to peruse some diagrams

Oh trying to build something like this, so @ 1/48th probly don't matter much anyway 


ta,
Ed. 

  butt straps

[Edmund]

Hello again 

So on ere where the armour plates join , it looks like there are squares covering the butt joints? does that sound right ? They wouldn't be joggled or owt fancy like that ?

thanks, Ed.

[BarryM]

Looks like an external butt strap.

Barry M

[Edmund]

Oh aye it does, almost exactly like the first diagram , must ave missed that 
So it just claggs on top over the joint then. 

good, thanks.
Ed.

[maninthestreet]

Looks like an external butt strap.

Barry M

Is that some of sex toy?? 

[Edmund]

Just out of interest , how big is the head of a rivet , I suppose that is like asking how big is a screw? 

Ed.

[BarryM]

When flattened while hot, the head of a rivet is required to be 2.5 x the shank diameter without cracking at the edges.

Cheers,

Barry M

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Heres a run at it by Pat Matthews

post #147
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=775147&page=10

 

[Edmund]

What I really meant was what is the actual physical dimension of the rivet head ?  so if it is a 1" diam rhe head will be 2.5".  Is that like a Titanic sized rivet ? Would big uns like these be used fer an Insect ? I'm trying to figure out how big they would need to be on a 1/48^th scale model.  Pretty small I'm guessing.

ta.
Ed.

[ian kennedy]

Hi Ed,

As an educated guess at 1/48th scale i would suggest a dome head rivet would be about 0.50mm diam, maybe as large as 0.75mm.

Ian

[Edmund]

  Thanks Ian, um I better find that jeweller's eyepiece then  Ed.

Hmm well I make that um 1.5mm x 48 comes to 72mm  which is way too big. damn 

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

A little more on plating,
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8805900&postcount=169

and rivets.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8805900&postcount=169
http://www.starwoodmodels.com/products/ssm/rivetkit.php


I did rivets on a friends armor model using super thick CA glue.
It is very difficult to stay consistent.

[ian kennedy]

Hi Ed,

I meant that the finished rivet head would be 0.50-0.75mm diam at 1/48th, i think you may have mistakenly multiplied this by 2.5 and that is why it may seem too large.

A 0.50mm dia head x 48 would give a domed rivet head of 24mm dia, this is quite small so i would suggest 0.75mm dia for heads which scaled would give you a 36mm dia rivet head.

I always look at photographs with crew about the decks this is for a comparison between all fittings/fixtures to gauge, height, width and perspective this is a must when spotting sizes for such things as bolt heads and rivets, which are not allways high lighted on builders drawings.

Good luck and i hope this has cleared up the confusion?

Ian

[Edmund]

Thanks fer the links there Umi

Oh sorry Ian  I  was referring to a sewing pin which is about 1.5mm / 1/16^th head size which makes it about 2 1/2" fer a 1" rivet in the real world which is way too big that would be nearer 1/24^th scale ?
I will have to have  a ponder whether they will be really noticeable anyway at 1/48^th 

thanks ,
Ed.

[BarryM]

Just say it's a flush-riveted hull. 

[ian kennedy]

Hi Ed,

The rivets would be as prominent as the butt strap image you posted, so it is really your choice if it were me then i would show them.

Two methods of doing this are,

1, when making the plates out of litho plate emboss the back edges of them with the rivet patterns and glue into place.

2, using a fine needle syringe filled with a slow setting adhesive, either PVA or a very slow cure epoxy dab the needle tip along the pre marked lines on your plating and leave to set overnight. If you mess up these, just wipe off and have another go.


Cheers

Ian

[John W E]

Hi all

 

Have a look at the picture - If we look at the size of the holes that have bean drilled in the deck beam this will give us some indication of the size of rivets
this may help

 

John

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