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FullLeatherJacket

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I need a small chuck that will hold a M3 tap and will fit into a standard hex drive cordless screwdriver. Has anyone come across such a beast? I don't do proper engineering normally and I've not much idea where to start looking - or even if such a device exists.
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wideawake

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I need a small chuck that will hold a M3 tap and will fit into a standard hex drive cordless screwdriver. Has anyone come across such a beast? I don't do proper engineering normally and I've not much idea where to start looking - or even if such a device exists.
FLJ

I suspect that this is what you have in mind FLJ.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Axminster-0-3.2-mm-Keyless-Chuck-21914.htm

HTH

Guy
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wideawake

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I need a small chuck that will hold a M3 tap and will fit into a standard hex drive cordless screwdriver. Has anyone come across such a beast? I don't do proper engineering normally and I've not much idea where to start looking - or even if such a device exists.
FLJ

I suspect that this is what you have in mind FLJ.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Axminster-0-3.2-mm-Keyless-Chuck-21914.htm

HTH

Guy

Actually on rechecking I think the one above has a round shank.

This is definitely the baby but more expensive  :((

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Bosch-Keyless-Chuck-with-1-4-Hex-724439.htm

Second thoughts are always the best!

Guy
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Dave Buckingham

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Dave
Cheap way get old hex bit even broken and drill the size required and solder it in .

Best done in lathe

Dave
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bogstandard

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Dave,

Try here

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=3904

But don't expect miracles from it.

A dedicated chuck for holding taps should have a square section nose, to take the square on the end of the tap.
It might hold enough for doing thin section of brass or ali and that would be about it. Use plenty of lube.

John
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FullLeatherJacket

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Many thanks, chaps. It's not for continuous production and the tap is only going through 2mm ali so there's no real need for a pukka job.

Thanks, DB, but the lathe would be a bit too expensive and take up too much room in the 'factory'; I don't have a bungalow-sized workshop like some folk  ;)

I think we'll have a shot at the Craplins one first (it's only a fiver and there are two Craplins stores within 2 miles of here). If that turns out to be  a pile of junk I'll go for the Bosch one later.

I just knew someone would have the answer. This is a truly extraordinary  community indeed.

FLJ
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FullLeatherJacket

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Bought the Maplin cheapo-Chinese one. Works a treat. Many thanks, guys.
FLJ
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You might fine yourself snapping your taps if your not carefull especially with aluminium when using thin taps such as M3 or finer, best practice is to do it gently by hand with a tap wrench if you've got plenty of access, doing it by hand you'll feel when its going to start to lock up and then back it off, but doing it with a cordless driver it will just sheer and you'll be left with a broken tap in the hole. 
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catengineman

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http://www.protecdirect.co.uk/Product.asp?SOURCE=FROOGLE

These are the proper holders but they dont fit cordless (or any other screwdriver) as  Bartapuss say's snapping taps is not the best thing to do, and it is just not easy to remove a broken one from a partly tapped hole.
(there are special tools for that as well)  :D

Non ferrous metals should be tapped slowly and with the aid of lots of cutting fluid / paste
I read from your post that you are having success in doing what you wanted  :-))  so all this is just waffle but hey ho I'm wide awake and got nothing else to do as I left Dutch whatever aboard my ship

R
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Hi all......"Non ferrous metals should be tapped slowly and with the aid of lots of cutting fluid / paste" ....certainlt agreed as slowly .....not all that sure here re the cutting agents 

aluminium = kerosene
brass + bronze grades = not required

other materials

carbon steel & stainless steel [Inox] = Trefelox or Rocol paste
grey iron [cast iron grades] = not required

....bogstandard may have an alternate comment for grey iron   >>:-(

I certainly agree with Bartapuss  O0 ....that unless CNC equipment is used  [for stability & correctness of speed & feed]... that tapping say M3 is best achieved by hand & not by hand held electronic devices   <:( ....Derek
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bogstandard

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Derek,

I normally don't use lube for cast iron, as there is a lot of free carbon in the metal itself to make it self lubricating.

But when I am doing a bit of thick stuff using a 14volt rechargeable drill, a touch of Rocol paste makes sure I don't run into trouble.



This is a 5" diameter 1/2" thick, cast iron rotary table clamping plate I made recently. To cut all the holes would have taken hours by hand, these 4mm ones were done in about 20 mins with a large battery drill. Straight thru with no stopping or backing off.

If you have the correct sized tapping hole (a major cause of tap breakage is the wrong sized hole), and a good sharp tap, there are no problems using power tools for getting the job done.

For aluminium, paraffin is always recognised as the cutting fluid to use. But nowadays, WD40 is classed as a better substitute. I buy it by the gallon and use a spray bottle, but for tapping, spray a bit into a small container and dip the tap in before starting a new hole.

If I break half a dozen taps a year, I think I am doing something wrong, and I tap thousands of holes a year, in all sorts of materials. I actually throw them away when they start to dull. I do buy in bulk, and if you buy 9 at a time, for standard smaller sizes, they work out at £1:40p (excl. VAT & postage, no minimum order, and delivered next day in the UK) each for high quality HQS taps, that cut thru stainless like butter.

http://www.tapdie.com/html/metric_taps_or_taps_metric__ta.html

Usual disclaimer.

So for what FLJ is doing, tapping out thin ali plate with a powered screwdriver, as long as a bit of lube is used, there would be no complaints from me.

Anything to make life easier.  :-))

John
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FullLeatherJacket

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So for what FLJ is doing, tapping out thin ali plate with a powered screwdriver, as long as a bit of lube is used, there would be no complaints from me.
Anything to make life easier.  :-))

Certainly is, mate. The thought of tapping 80 holes by hand in one session isn't one I relish, and the budget for Dave's Little Toys doesn't run to a CNC machine! The screwdriver has adjustable torque set at the lowest possible break-point, and I'm using a squirt of WD40 as lube. Like I say, it works for me.
That link is very useful BTW. You wouldn't believe  how much I was charged for a M3 tap set at our local engineers' merchants (if you're gonna guess then start at twenty quid....).
FLJ
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das boot

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We got plenty of old taps at work chief...wot sort you want?

Bath taps...kitchen taps... %)


Rich



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bogstandard

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FLJ,

When doing thinnish parts, say up to 5mm thick , buying a set just isn't worth it. Just buy a few second cut ones and they will be perfectly fine, and will thread the hole in one hit.

BTW, it is always better if you can phone Tap and Die with your order. The Asian gentleman on the other end is very helpful, and will process your order straight away.

John
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TCC

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We got plenty of old taps at work chief...wot sort you want?

Bath taps...kitchen taps... %)

Fork handles...
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Sorry ....but bogstandard said....

1) BTW, it is always better if you can phone Tap and Die with your order. The Asian gentleman on the other end is very helpful, and will process your order straight away

2) Just buy a few second cut ones .....

1) is this like a CIA doing a phone tap.....or a Chinese take a way for Spring rolls & FRIED rice  type things ?....but where are left overs for Bandit & Vinnie?  ...+ with or without Soy Sauce?
2) in OZ we were taught these bits were termed as...... 'intermediate' but certainly not "second cut" ...or "convict style class"  {-)

Derek %% :o ... couldn't resist
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Bee

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Comments please: Our Drawing Office chief used to say it only required 3 turns in a taped hole to achieve full strength attachment. Seemed counter intuitive, especially in aluminium, but there is quite a lot of equipment out there meeting that criterion.
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FLJ....next time try your local model shop...Du-Bro Part No 372 is a [HSS tapping drill & a 3 mm HSS tap] for an estimated three UK pounds   :-))...Derek
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catengineman

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I'll shut up as I did not know you wanted to be so precise  :embarrassed:
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das boot

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We got plenty of old taps at work chief...wot sort you want?

Bath taps...kitchen taps... %)

Fork handles...

How many?



Rich
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TCC

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We got plenty of old taps at work chief...wot sort you want?

Bath taps...kitchen taps... %)

Fork handles...

How many?

four coffees!!  :-))
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