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[nhp651]

Don't you think, when all these world leaders are depositing themselves on London for this sumit, and will be pontificating on how to get the world back into shape, and talk on how to save the planet from global warming, and natural as well as man made catastrophe, that instead of spending millions on travel, food and security, which us poor succers as tax payers are all paying for..............

...........................That in this day of modern technology they could all sit at home infront of their own computor web cam links, and discuss the matters without costing more global warming...... a shed load of dosh to us poor tax payers..................AND elleviate the almost certain specticle of mass rioting and mayhem  in London, of course orchestrated by a minority fringe of the Anti Capitalist movement that is growing throughout the world. At least we then wouldn't have to listen to all the back stabbing and bitching of squabbling children!

After all, these numpties are supposed to be WORLD LEADERS, can't they think of something as simple as this, or are they all only in for what they can eat at the ol' Queens banquet at Mansion House, or where evre it will be held.

They couldn't organise the preverbial in a brewery.

[nhp651]

just had a thought...will Barrac get a congestion charge for the 21 cars he's brought with him when he motors through the "smoke" lol

[tolnedra]

I'm with you my friend, why should we all have to pay for a 'jolly' for all these so-called leaders, just so that Brown can claim he's done something for the world? I have little doubt that nothing will be solved, no real difference will be made by this meeting, so what's the point?

Danny

[cbr900]

Better you lot having them instead the the lollies coming here
and us having to pay for all of them, we have to pay enough
for Rudd without the rest. And you can bet you bottom dollar
that they will probably make it worse like they do everything else
they stuff up..........

Roy

[craftysod]

Well said nhp
You got to remember these power crazed people dont watch tv adverts,promoting video conferencing.
But their flunkies do,so dont tell them about it,or they wont get a first class free jolly at our expense

[Guy Bagley]

they're all blockheads anyway !

http://english.cri.cn/6966/2009/04/01/1781s470430_1.htm

[TCC]

Brown just put an extra mortguage around my grandkids, hasn't he?

However I bitterly hate Thatcher, at least she got us refunds from Europe and would get her way, she treated the UK ecomony as a housewife would with her 'housekeeping' and she only spent what she had. I'll give her that! But the wastelands she made of those mining communities will be her gravestone.

Blair, Brown and who was the other tory PM.. grey fella? Oh pulease... they didn't have half the bxxls maggie had. And that's all the good you can say about thatcher, the rest since her have been but placeholders waiting for what?

The home secretarys husband downloads porn on our dime and Brown says 'I forgive her', he looked so weak doing that.. and even weaker when he brought back '3 stikes' Mandy. A strong PM doesn't need iffy ex-ministers. But Brown know what was coming and he needed mandy on his side... mandy was probably fed up in Europe and probably needed another house renovating* at Tax payers expense.

* he only took the NorthernIreland job as that post comes with bomb proof floors and walls and he'd just bought a shell of a house.

[Proteus]

* he only took the NorthernIreland job as that post comes with bomb proof floors and walls and he'd just bought a shell of a house.

Thats why this lot has had so many home secretarys what is now about 15 so they all get there houses re built when they move, and dont forget the cop at the door for life, they dont know what its like to dial 999 to be told we are busy call later.
Proteus

[omra85]

There were FOUR peaceful rallies today which (apart from a few stirrers who smashed windows in the Bank of Scotland) went off without incident despite the large police presence.
When they all reached the common destination of the Bank of england, the police sealed off all exits effectively imprisoning them all!
They have been there for 6 hours according to reports!!  WHY? No doubt the inevitable will happen and some will try to break through the police barrier (probably to do something as anarchistic as going home) and the "riot" will follow! I'd be a bit cheesed off standing round (without food or toilets) for over six hours!
No doubt the police will then justify the huge wage bill by the fact that a "riot" did (eventually) take place.

What are we coming to ...... 

Barry/Roger ...........  let me out!

Danny
 

[MCR]

Well said Omra85 I recall seeing the violent attacks on police during the miners strike only to see that the film crews had reversed the footage so that the miners attacked the police then they reacted but the reality was a horse and batter charge FIRST.

[TCC]

Well said Omra85 I recall seeing the violent attacks on police during the miners strike only to see that the film crews had reversed the footage so that the miners attacked the police then they reacted but the reality was a horse and batter charge FIRST.

Remeber that.. that was Orgreave... the BBC 'news' film was somehow 'reversed' on it's travel down the M6 so by the time it got in London, we had miners throwing bricks and the police responding with the horse charge. It took a decade for that to come out... BBC independant? Yeah... not when the chips are down they're not.


Re: the police. Yes, it's often heavy-handed policing that starts the trouble. Pus I'll bet you half those 'protestors' were plain clothes police anyway. It's a bit like their armed officers, as soon as they attend an incident you're dead unless you do everything they tell you exactly as the describe. If they come up behind you, shout stop and you're deaf and just happen to reach into your pocket for a lighter for your ciggy, your dead!

Those protestors have sussed the police and their tactics so they've gone to extremes to be as non-thretening as they can and donned clown outfits, dressed as flowers, puppets, cuddly animals all that stuff or danced and that has took the xxxx out the police as they've been lined up facing them in their riot gear. Plice don't care, they just hit you with that shield and it makes no difference to them if you had a flower, brick or camera in your hand.

The police blocking them in: that's an old tactic.. they've done that before.

[Bartapuss]

What about those city workers winding things up by waving tenners and twenties to the people below, I can't see the police having words with them for antagonising the situation. 

[MCR]

Police did the same during the miners strike waving overtime pay packets at men who had their welfare stopped and the kids went hungry.

[nhp651]

I think this post has gone off track.

I was moaning about the cost of all these loons coming over here for a free jolly at us tax payers cost, instead of practicing what they preach about global warming, excetera and sitting infornt of computor screens and saving all the cost and upheaval.

There's always pros and cons and for and anti police and every other authoritarian, but at the end of the day we suckers have all had to pay for it in our tax bills.

[funtimefrankie]

If only Diana were still here, it would be Oh so different.

[tigertiger]

However I bitterly hate Thatcher, at least she got us refunds from Europe and would get her way, she treated the UK ecomony as a housewife would with her 'housekeeping' and she only spent what she had. I'll give her that! But the wastelands she made of those mining communities will be her gravestone.

It was also Maggie who pushed hard for the de-regulation of the financial sector, which she achieved, and we are all paying for now.

Not only did this create an environment where sub-prime crisis could happen, but one where bankers were only responsible to themsleves. It also created an environemnt where companies could borrow against their own pension funds.

[Bryan Young]

Woops. Don't we think we are getting a bit "political" here? I'm all for serious debate, but we are now at the ranting stage. This does no-one any good at all. Most of the "ranters" do very little for the hobby / pursuit of Model Boat building and just want to air some rather extreme views. Close this topic. BY.

[MartinH-K]

I'm sorry but why should people not get into ipolitical debate? I think the suggestion that 'the ranters' do very little for the hobby is somewhat sweeping . This IS after all the 'chit chat' section and if a debate is in full swing and provided it doesn't disolve into personal attacks it should go where it will. You don't HAVE to look at it.... Up the revolution!!!

[Bryan Young]

Martin, sorry. I didn't mean it the way you understood it (if that makes sense). I'm all in favour of posting ones opinions in "chit chat".
But I think that harking back to the rights and wrongs of events that occurred nearly 30 years ago is a bit daft. I could go on about the Wilson and Callaghan administrations whose "errors" brought Maggie into office. But what's the point? The ills that are affecting us all at this time should be fairly and squarely laid at the door of those who have been ruining this country for the past decade. If (and I say "if") there were defects in the "system" I would have thought that 12 years in office would have been long enough to sort things out. But only if the "powers that be" had the well-being of the nation at heart, and not just the desire to remain in office. Not a rant...just an observation from an elderly modeller who has witnessed the rise and fall of many an overblown politician. BY.

[Roger in France]

I have to disagree Bryan.

It is often essential to look a lot further back than 10 or 12 years for the root causes of the greed and over confidence that has caused much of the economic downturn.

My main criticism of the Thatcher era is not that it caused all ills but that it did much to legitimise greed, denigrate "community" (which the Lady said did not exist) and promoted and facilitated the excesses of many captains of industry by arguing that if a business was doing well there was no limit to how much the senior management should cream off. There was also an attitude that favoured self regulation and argued that any form of public interest or control for the public good was red tape and interference which must be swept away.

Roger in France

[Bryan Young]

Roger, Creaming off? Come off it! Since when didn't polticians take a slice? As a "slightly" right winger I would suggest you cast your mind back to the scrapping of TSR2 for political gain that came to nothing. We never did get the F111s we were (as a population) promised. We sold our strategic assets to "foreigners" whose only interest was (and is) to milk our supine regulatory system dry. In that they have succeeded. And now the non-elected EU lot want control over the British Armed Forces! Where will it end?
I mentioned earlier about our present Government "ruining" Britain....but perhaps that was their long term idea anyway, so perhaps "they" are winning unless all of us stand up and say NO. BY.

[MartinH-K]

It seems to me that since the end of the war (and maybe even before) we have been heading (or being herded) toward a United States of Europe. There are both advantages as well as disadvantages to this. The simple fact is that, at the end of the day it will be the 'suits with the money' who will decide. Their cronies, known as civil servants (synonymous these days with 'civil masters) will make it happen by making it ruinous for us to stay out of the club and frighten the little people (us) - probably with World Terrorism into saying... "save us, save us... let us be part of that great club so that we can close the borders..." etc, etc or similar. Cynical? Perhaps, but I too have watched this world change.

[Colin Bishop]

Whatever the petty politics, having Europe as an integrated whole does make the prospect of future war between the countries a whole lot less likely. Just a cursory study of history suggests that this must be worthwhile.

Colin

[Roger in France]

Bryan,

Not sure what politicians abusing their position has to do with my earlier comment? If you read it again you will see I was writing about the culture which made our major businesses vulnerable to fiscal failure.

Roger in France

[Bunkerbarge]

I have now thought for many years that we are now living with the fruits of Maggies labours.  She gave industry and the financial institutions the freedom to abuse themselves and this they have done effectively ever since.  She privatised a huge number of, what I always considered to be national assets, at give away prices, for no other reason than to get rid of the responsibility and let water, gas, railways, schools, hospitals etc..etc.. to fend for themselves out there in the commercial world.

She has led us to a point where we have little social and family structure and a population driven by selfish greed and a "What about me?" attitude where kids have no values, no morals and certainly no sense of social responsibility.

But at the end of the day the people who complain about this now and the people who blame Thatcher for it all forget one small thing.  She was only allowed to get away with it all because she had no opposition for 14 years.  She did exactly what she wanted and no one stood in her way.  That is why I hold Labour equally responsible for the state we are in now because they didn't resist, they didn't fight and they didn't move with the times.

Now, instead of having a balance again with Labour in power we have Blair emulating the Tory line and giving up on all the old Labour values.  How many times did you see him wearing a blue tie during interviewsd?  Poor Harold Wilson would have rather fallen on his sword than wear blue.

So as Roger says it all goes a long way back and I agree.  When I was a youngster you had Harold Wilson and Ted Heath who both staunchly stood up for thier own beliefs and backgrounds and thier party's princliples.  They had to compromise because both were equally strong.  Nowadays politicians of all parties are more than ever creaming the system and feathering thier own nests and much as we have to put up with the latest indignant whinning of the Tories complaining about Labour's sleeze tactics they are equally as bad and equally capable of the same underhanded dealings.

So back to Niels original point, yes I agree it's all a bit of a joke but don't put it down to Brown and his cronies.  The Tory's will be just as bad if they get another chance.