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"In Which We Serve"
« on: November 26, 2009, 05:43:53 pm »

Sorry about the title, but it occurred to me that although I've spent a lot of time describing bits of my life at sea, there wasn't all that much about some of the ships themselves. And they all had their own quirks.
Others on the forum could well add to this.....after all, it's an open forum. One of the aspects of the recent and on-going thing about members "profiles" is that although there is a general interest in ships and the sea, there are many members who are not and never have been, "sea-going". So rather than dwell on events that happened maybe some would like a bit more info on the ships. If I start back to my 1st trip in 1957 and perhaps just go gradually forward from then it may be possible to see some of the changes in ship construction and operation that I encountered (endured?) over the years.
I would also find it interesting to read about comparible careers, albeit in different trades, conditions etc.
Assuming that this new topic won't "bomb", I'll start with s/s"Bardic"....my 1st ship.
7,951 gross tons. 12,546 dwt tons.
492' x 70' x 29'(draught)
The eagle-eyed will have noted that for a ship of her size there is quite a disparity between her Gross tonnage and her Deadweight. I'm just talking about "dry-cargo" ships here. Liners and Warships run under somewhat different rules.
You may well think that all the main bulkheads on a ship go from the bottom of the ship upwards to the deck that has all the winches and so on and sort of assume that this is the "main deck". Not necessarily so. If the bulkheads all stop at another,lower deck, then that deck becomes the "main deck", and all subsequent measurements are taken from this level. This ship is now classified as an "Open Shelterdeck" ship. In practise it means that you could load a car into the forward hold and drive it to the aftermost one. "Open". So technically any cargo in this space is "deck cargo"...even if it is surrounded on all sides by steel plates. Being "deck cargo space" that volume will not be counted as part of the Gross tonnage (Gt is 100cu.ft=1 ton...not a ton of "real" weight). So you can have many thousands of cubic feet of available cargo space that is just not counted as part of the ships carrying capacity. But there is a drawback.
And that is in the allowed freeboard, and consequently a reduced draught. Freeboard is a safety thing, and so all hull markings are measured downwards from the main-deck level rather than upwards from the ships bottom as is generally percieved. We are all sort of familiar with at least the concept of the "Plimsoll Line", but next time you look at a ship, cast your eyes directly upwards and you will see another short line (only 1 ft long). This line shows the location of the ships main deck. Usually this line will be seen at the deck level that has all the deck stuff on, but now and again it will be seen about 8 ft below where you expect to see it. This denotes that the ship is an "open-shelterdeck" ship. Both systems have advantages and disadvantages, depending on the "trade", general weather conditions in the trade area and owners choice.....etc.
  
    "Bardic" was launched at the end of 1943 in the USA (Seattle-Tacoma) as the Escort Carrier "Willapa" for the USN but was transferred to the RN under the "lease lend" agreement and re-named HMS "Puncher". She was returned to the USN in 1948 and re-constructed as a merchant ship. Then she was bought by the "Lancashire Shipping Co." (Mollers of Hong Kong!) and re-named "Muncaster Castle"...and later sold to Shaw-Saville and renamed "Bardic", and then on to the Ben Line in 1957 (when I joined her). Later re-named "Bennevis", and then soldiered on until 1973 when she was broken up in Korea.
P.S....as an 11 year old, I remember one of her sisters being berthed on the Tyne during a Festival of Brtain tour in 1951...I think it was called "Canopus". Looked big to me then!.....BY. Forgot the pics!!! Rats. Do it soon.
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2009, 06:02:28 pm »

Sorry about that. I forgot to re-size and change to JPG.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2009, 06:06:27 pm »

Sorry about that. I forgot to re-size and change to JPG.
Note to a "moderator"....please delete extraneous pics! Sorry...I think my mouse battery is playing up. BY.



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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2009, 08:05:53 pm »

The Ship/ carrier you would have seen was HMS Campania. She toured all the major UK ports as the Festival of Briton ship. I don't recall it though as I was only 3 at the time.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2009, 10:44:23 pm »

I served aboard 4 ships in the US Coast Guard, photos of the class are attached, but alas, they have all been decommissioned since I retired except the CGC Chase the cutter with the New York City skyline in the back.

I really enjoyed the sea time, but also enjoyed the final years assigned to the Motor Life Boat Station in Hatteras, North Carolina operating the 44 foot MLB.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2009, 05:34:11 pm »

The Ship/ carrier you would have seen was HMS Campania. She toured all the major UK ports as the Festival of Briton ship. I don't recall it though as I was only 3 at the time.
Thank you. Dates the pair of us quite well! BY.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2009, 05:37:02 pm »

I served aboard 4 ships in the US Coast Guard, photos of the class are attached, but alas, they have all been decommissioned since I retired except the CGC Chase the cutter with the New York City skyline in the back.

I really enjoyed the sea time, but also enjoyed the final years assigned to the Motor Life Boat Station in Hatteras, North Carolina operating the 44 foot MLB.
That 1st pic is a bit of a memory jogger for all of us. Ugly things, but not deserving the form of their demise. Thank you. BY.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2009, 06:01:08 pm »

"Benmhor" was my 2nd ship.
I don't know about other companies, but Ben Line had this policy of "paying off" the entire crew that had done the voyage on arrival back in the UK and manning the ships with a "coastal" crew. This crew tended to be regular Ben line people who had had their "voyage leave" and were awaiting the next deep sea trip. Sounds "cushy" but this crew were to carry out the discharge and subsequent re-loading before handing the ship to the "voyage" crew. So Liverpool, London, Antwerp,Rotterdam, Hamburg etc.etc.etc were all on the cards for the next 4 to 6 weeks. Pretty much non-stop and very wearing for everyone.
She was quite large for her type and era at 500'x64'x28'. Launched in 1949 in Blyth for Mollers of Hong Kong (again, the "Lancashire Shipping Co) as "Penrith Castle". She wasn't as "pretty" as some other ships of her time, but she was a nice ship to be in. Ben Line bought her in 1952 (I joined early '58) and she carried on until 1973 until being scrapped in Korea.
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2009, 01:54:59 pm »

Bryan,

What the photos of older vessels show is how good-looking ships were up the 60s. Before everything was stashed in a box, when liners were just that and before cheapness of fabrication ruled, ship ownership could readily be identified from the lines of a vessel even without looking at the funnel colours. As you know, whatever the ships may have been like to sail on, there were some real beauties about with sweeping curves, cruiser sterns and elegant bows. Ben Line could always be distinguished from Castle boats and B&I from Holts etc etc.

I suppose it was the lack of cargo that led to straight tugs (as opposed to AHTS or AHT) keeping their distinguishing looks for far longer. United Towing was always distinct from Smit and Bugsier from URS.

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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2009, 03:36:57 pm »

Bryan,

What the photos of older vessels show is how good-looking ships were up the 60s. Before everything was stashed in a box, when liners were just that and before cheapness of fabrication ruled, ship ownership could readily be identified from the lines of a vessel even without looking at the funnel colours. As you know, whatever the ships may have been like to sail on, there were some real beauties about with sweeping curves, cruiser sterns and elegant bows. Ben Line could always be distinguished from Castle boats and B&I from Holts etc etc.

I suppose it was the lack of cargo that led to straight tugs (as opposed to AHTS or AHT) keeping their distinguishing looks for far longer. United Towing was always distinct from Smit and Bugsier from URS.

Barry M
Cheers Barry. Bet you change your mind after seeing the next one! Bryan.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2009, 06:35:29 pm »

"Bennevis" had a sister ships....well, lots of them actually, but only one in the Ben Line, "Benrinnes".
Both ships were of the standard "Ocean" class. I believe that the design originally came from the NE of England, but there were two types of this ship. I know that the "Oceans" were flush-decked and possibly the other (Empire) sort had a raised forecastle. Willing to be proved wrong on that. The "Nevis" was built in Toronto, and the "Rinnes" came out of Ohio. Standard size of 442'x57'x27', both in 1942 with the "Nevis" launched as "Ocean Gallant" and the "Rinnes" as "Ocean Volunteer". The more numerous "Liberty" ship (or SAM Boats) had, for all intents and purposes the same hull as the "Oceans".
As with all these wartime built ships, they were not expected to have a very long life and so were constructed and fitted out accordingly...i.e.not much in the way of creature comforts. They also, like the Libertys had a single triple expansion steam engine that shoved the whole unit along at an unprecedented speed of just over 10 knots. You really had to wear your hat back-to front at such speeds, and have your feet firmly attached to the deck. Given calm seas and a following wind all the way we would hurtle non-stop from the UK to Singapore in a mind blowing 31 days. Even the dolphins refused to "play" with us. Ben Line bought this bucket in 1946 and as far as I could tell didn't do much or anything to improve the living conditions on board.I had nearly a year of misery on this thing, casting envious glances at things like the then new "Benloyal" that would romp past us at her cruise speed of 20 knots. You will understand that we never carried "perishable" cargo.
We had a "dual-crew" (in common with most Bens) in that we had a UK deck crew and the rest were Chinese. The deck crew even in 1958 shared 8 or 12 man dormitories, Buddha alone knows where the others dossed down. The two cadets shared a hutch at the aft end of the boat deck that was surrounded on 3 sides by the veg.lockers...with the inevetable constant invasion of large, well fed cockroaches. No running water in the "hutch". Taking a shower was pugatory....especially during an Antwerp winter. Strip off in the hutch, wrap up in a towel, go outside and down a flight of stairs to the main deck. Endure the disbelief of warmly clad stevedores, go down into the engine room, turn on the requisite water valves, leg it back up to the multi-user shower space, shower, go back down the engine room and turn off the water....and try to get back "home" a bit cleaner than when you started out. Definetely a mind forming experience. This was by a country mile the worst ship I ever graced with my prescence. But Ben Line kept her chuffing along until 1959 when she was bought and re-named "Charles Dickens" (rather apt, really). And "they" were welcome to her. She lasted until 1967 until broken up in Osaka. Even writing this after so long makes me shudder.
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2009, 06:57:23 pm »

Cheers Barry. Bet you change your mind after seeing the next one! Bryan.

OK, I'll grant you that one. Tell me my fading brain still hangs on to some sort of memory but the 'Libertys', if I remember right, were originally a Smiths Dock design which was passed to the Yanks as they had the building capacity for them. I wonder if Smiths got paid for the license to build?

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2009, 06:59:46 pm »

Very odd! Why does my text of "f a d i n g brain" keep getting replaced by "blinking brain"?  Is 'f a d i n g' some new swear word?

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2009, 10:55:33 pm »

OK, I'll grant you that one. Tell me my fading brain still hangs on to some sort of memory but the 'Libertys', if I remember right, were originally a Smiths Dock design which was passed to the Yanks as they had the building capacity for them. I wonder if Smiths got paid for the license to build?

Cheers,,

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Smiths yard in Middlesborough I mean.

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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2009, 07:35:57 pm »

Smiths yard in Middlesborough I mean.

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Barry, I think the split accommodation version came first. You could well be correct about the designers, but I always thought it came out of one of the smaller yards. Willing to learn. Bryan.
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2009, 07:44:32 pm »


Does this count?
They had the backup diesel generators fired up and thundering away last week.

 Very impressive to a office & land locked iT fat bloke!
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2009, 08:52:31 pm »

Therehave been a few posting recently about "heavy-lift" ships, but as they were all about modern vessels I thought I would just go back a few years in their development. I think that the originators of the genre was the Danish firm "Belships". Years prior to WW2 they came up with a design that was more or less copied word for word by HMG when we needed to haul heavy stuff around the world. We built (at least) 4 of these ships at the end of WW2. All the same physical size of 470' x 67' x 27'draught. This 27' draught does seem to be have been the "norm" in those days.
Two of them, "Benledi" and "Benalbanach" were straightforward steam turbine ships, whilst the other 2, "Benwyvis" and "Benarty" were Turbo-Electric. A bit of a novelty for Merchant ships of that era. Both the "Electric" ships were built in Greenock and the other 2 came out of Belfast and the Tyne. The nominated "owners / managers" of these ships seemed to have got shot of them as quickly as they could...and all 4 were bought by the Ben Line. A bit odd considering that their usual trade pattern to and from the Far East was mainly in competition with Blue Flue.
To give me, as a cadet, some experience of these ships I was put on a "coastal" round on "Benalbanach". But no heavy-lifts happened so that was a non-starter. As I was the only cadet I was totally ignored and put into the ratings watch routines. This basically meant spending an hour on the foc's'le as "lookout" (ringing the bell whenever a new light was sighted....wonderful when going up a buoyed channel!), then spending 2 hours "on the wheel", then another hour as lookout. Just the thought of it brings a tightening of the sphincter now. But I do recall a time when "on the wheel" and approaching the entrance to Bremerhaven (still a mined channel then) that the young 3/O on watch just told me to "steer between the buoys".....as if I knew, out of all the lights ahead of us, what on earth he was talking about. I later realised that he must have been spitting bricks as he hadn't a clue either.
Apart from being an un-trained helmsman, I spent a lot of my time in port given the job of shovelling the accumulated days garbage over the side in the dead of night. How times have changed. But having done "my stint" I was deemed ready to do the full monty on "Benledi" (as posted earlier).
These were very odd ships. Only 3 (very large) hatches, each served by one 120ton SWL derrick and other smaller ones. Reputedly they had "removeable" 'tween decks, but as I never saw this happen I can't vouch for that. Quick reaction ballast tanks did work well when we loaded the tugs destined for Canada, but even with the big winches being hidden in their own little housings below decks there were still enough wires running all over the place to make an eye boggle.
The pics may make the ships look like large coasters, but the bulwarks were 7' high, as were the hatch coamings.
These were very heavy and capable ships without a doubt, but without a real purpose at the end of WW2.
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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2009, 08:55:17 pm »


Does this count?
They had the backup diesel generators fired up and thundering away last week.

 Very impressive to a office & land locked iT fat bloke!

Forgive the venacular.....but what the hell are you talking about? BY
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2009, 09:13:38 pm »

Another that was "refused"
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2009, 09:37:15 pm »

Forgive the vernacular.....but what the hell are you talking about? BY

Engine room of .... my works building!  :embarrassed:
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2009, 10:09:43 pm »

Engine room of .... my works building!  :embarrassed:
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OK. You are forgiven. Don't do it again unless it's to do do with boats / ships and not an Office Block!.
But.....on reflection.....I suppose "in which we serve" could apply to an office block as much as it does to a ship.
So therefore I must apologize.
But the Forum IS about ships and things aquainted with them....perhaps you've just had a hard day. Sorry.
Nice pictures,all the same.  Cheers. BY.
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2009, 10:53:03 pm »

Barry, I think the split accommodation version came first. You could well be correct about the designers, but I always thought it came out of one of the smaller yards. Willing to learn. Bryan.

Bryan,

http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/liberty.html   Looks like Thompson & Sons of Sunderland had the honour. Interesting story.

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2009, 07:39:12 pm »

Ah, to "Benalder", one of the numerous "Benmacdhui" class. Another "coastal" voyage, but as she was only 11 years old she was the most modern ship I'd ever been in. Sheer luxury for her time. Built in 1949 and steam turbine powered she nipped along at a respectable 16 knots or so. A "normal" size for her time at 475'x60'x30', she lasted until 1971 until being broken up in Korea.
When I joined her she had undergone some modifications...mainly the addition of more "samson posts", but for some odd reason they were open at the top and so let in rain water...so drain plugs were fitted near deck level. Why "top hats" were not fitted I have no idea. Nor do I understand why the plugs were fitted in the first place. Why not just leave an open hole?
During my cadetship it was usual for cadets from different companies to meet up in places like "Connell House" (Singapore) and the "Mission" in Hong Kong...and swap tales of woe and so on. One of the subjects that used to always intrigue me was why BI, Blue Flue, P&O and so on all had dedicated derrick topping winches. Only the Ben Line seemed to leave them off. Let me explain.
In "those days", it was usual for a derrick topping lift to be secured by winding the wire around a pair of (large) cleats. Without a topping lift winch the cargo winch had to be used. This, in turn, meant that the cargo "runner" had to be taken off the winch barrel before the topping lift could be "adjusted". Much man-power and time. With a topping lift winch (a small item) only one wire had to be changed over. The Ben Line way took 30 to 40 minutes, but my "compatriots" reckoned that with their systems it would only take perhaps 10 minutes and done by 2 people and not the 6 we had to use. Parsimony perhaps? (After all, it was (is) a Scottish company).
I don't really recall why I have fond memories of this ship. But it could well be that for the first time in our sea-going lives that the 2 cadets were treated as real people and not just as skivvies. There was nothing unusual about these ships, just general cargo liners plying their trade..but they were quite "pretty" in their own way.
In the pics, the 1st one shows the ship at "trials" draught; this (for those of you watching in greyscale) shows the grey hull, the width of the green "boot-topping" and then the red-oxide colour of the anti-fouling paint. No.2 shows how different a ship can look when fully loaded.
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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2009, 08:09:59 pm »

I'll miss out the long "around the world" trip in Benledi as it was well documented earlier,and I covered the heavy-lifters not long ago. But as was usual, the voyage was followed by a coastal period spent discharging and re-loading. So enters "Bendoran". To my mind (still) this class of ship were among the prettiest ships of the type afloat at the time. Everything about her "looked right". Another steamship and reasonably large at 508'x64'x30'. The draught was about 3' more than earlier ships I'd been in, but the beam was a little reduced. At a service speed of 17 knots she was about par for the time but faster than many others. A longish life spannining from 1956 to being broken up in Korea during 1977.
Memory plays a few tricks, but I think it was while I was in her that we went over a WW2 acoustic mine when entering Hamburg. That sort of startled everybody. If we'd been doing the then normal speed of 10 knots or so then the outcome may well have been a bit different! But, alas, for us 2 cadets it was back to being skivvies. As was usual in the Ben Line, cadets were not allowed into the "public rooms". So we spent our working hours with the deck crew down the holds, overhauling the running gear and so on. Such was life.
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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2009, 03:04:59 pm »

And so to my last ship with the Ben Line. "Benhiant"...another "rust-bucket". One of 15 "Empire" class ships, she was built on the Tees in 1943. Quite large for her time at around 500ft and 17knots. Very "heavy" on deck, but her years under CPR ownership ploughing the N.Atlantic had taken their toll. As an aside, Iwould have been aboard her when the 2 pics were taken. But not a nice ship to be in.
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