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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2010, 07:35:35 pm »

Well I would consider changing the design but I just got finished spending a ungodly amount of hours making a few hundred of the cylinders and covers.  O0
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benjaml1

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2010, 09:23:28 pm »

If not asked already ( I'm struggling with these varifocal lenses) bore & stroke please ?
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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2010, 09:38:25 pm »

The same question was asked on another forum but I don't think it was asked here yet? The bore is 5/16" and the stroke is 7/16".
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Bunkerbarge

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2010, 09:59:17 pm »

I have to say Nick this is looking like a beautiful little engine and certainly meets all the requirements I could think of, namely, 'O' ring rod glands, screwed cylinder covers, brass control valve faces, ball bearings and even bronze running surfaces.

If you can keep it below $500.00 it deserves to do well.
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kno3

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2010, 10:58:37 am »

Nick, any news about the engine?
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Bernhard

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2010, 03:18:23 pm »

Hey Nick...here is one there look a littel bit like yours,,,bot with water pump built in....

Regards Bernhard
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kno3

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2010, 05:29:36 pm »

Is this a Hemmens? So much metal frame for 2 tiny cylinders...
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Bernhard

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2010, 07:37:10 pm »

hi.........i think so...sold on Ebay a few days ago... 172£...........
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Bunkerbarge

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2010, 11:06:58 pm »

I couldn't tell you what it is but I'm quite sure it's not a Hemmens, nor is it a Cheddar engine that i recognise.

I'm sure someone out there will identify it.
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MONAHAN STEAM MODELS

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2010, 02:25:53 am »

That is an old Hemmens York engine. The really early ones were usually painted green.

Hi Kno3,

Which engine are you referring to for news? The Cirrus engine or the pictures of the cylinders on the full sized engines that I was going to take photos of for you? In regards to the full sized engines I was in such a hurry to get to the other shop where we keep the big toys at, that I forgot my camera. However one of the other guys at the shop had his and took some pictures of the cylinders for me. I've been waiting for him to email them to me.
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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2010, 02:50:40 am »

Nick.....what are the three small round burn marks on the top surface of your good wife's rose wood lounge room display case? ....they seem to be displayed in many .jpgs  >>:-(

Have you been using the oxy-aceteylene in there?  :o ....Derek
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MONAHAN STEAM MODELS

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2010, 06:03:54 am »

Hi Derek,
I think those are actually either small knots where branches were or insect borrow holes when the lamination was cut from the tree? I'm not sure exactly. This is actually the surface of my office desk not the Misses lounge room table. Her rose wood table is currently covered in other steam items.  %)


Build Progress Update:

With the other machines all humming away making parts, I managed to write some more programs and tool up the other machines to get them up and running making some more bits and pieces to this engine puzzle.

On today's menu we are serving a five course meal of pistons, bronze gland adjusters, trunnion spring covers, displacement lubricators and the intake/exhaust manifold. Desert will be announced later once I figure out what it will be.

The displacement lubricator will be welded to the intake/exhaust manifold and then painted blue to match the engine. I'm hoping to get this done sometime tomorrow morning in between baby sitting the all the machines once I have them all back up and running. The two long brass manifold extensions will remain polished brass though. Also, I can't wait to get the trunnion shafts for the cylinders all made so that I can finally get rid of those two hideous long bolts currently holding the cylinders in place.

I have to get back to writing programs now and then it's off to bed finally.
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kno3

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2010, 10:12:41 am »

Nice work! Am I correct to assume that the lubricator & exhaust manifold unit can be mounted reversed (that is, to the right) too?
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yogojr

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2010, 01:41:07 pm »

Nick,

Simply beautiful! Question, is Dave the first customer of the new Cirrus. The man has little self control when it comes to steam engines :)

Hey, on another post saw the tip on cleaning the gas jets. Thanks. Had a couple that have been troublesome. Didn't realize there was a component in the gas that would cause buildup. Always assumed the butane/propane was unadulterated - like my homebrew.

Tom
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MONAHAN STEAM MODELS

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2010, 08:17:33 am »

Hey Everyone,

Sorry for the long over due build update. My only excuse is I've been working a lot of long and late hours for the last two weeks and have been too tired to spend time on the computer. Tonight is the first night that I've managed to get home from the shop at a decent hour (before midnight) so I thought I should take some photos of what progress has been happening with the engine.

The crankshaft that has appeared in the previous photos was temporarily borrowed from a Heron engine. Last week we finally made the correct stainless steel crank discs, crank throw pins and crankshaft. The next parts that were made were the bronze trunnion spring bushings and the bronze piston rod big ends. After those parts were completed, work finally began on the stainless steel piston rods and cylinder trunnion shafts. The stainless steel crankshaft, throw pins, cylinder trunnions and piston rods were all center-less ground to final size to both ensure consistent diameter tolerances within .0002" and also to ensure a high quality smooth surface finish. This is important since the piston rods would be in linear contact with the lower cylinder cover o-rings and the cylinder trunnion shafts would be in rotationally pivoting in the engine frame. Rough surface finishes on these parts would have prematurely worn the other engine components that came in contact with them.

The next parts that needed to be made were the brass hex nuts which thread onto the trunnion shafts. I decided to make these instead of buying them since all the hex nuts that I could find out there that were readily available were all either too big too thin or basically just plain ugly. I could have just purchased the ugly ones and called it a day but I've grown rather fond of beating my head against the wall these days.

I decided to paint a couple of the engines in the burgundy color that we use on the Sparrow engines. Please, I would like to hear your feedback on what you all think of the Cirrus engines painted in this color opposed to the blue. Depending on all your feedback the engines are going to be painted and offered in one of those colors not both since we do all the painting in large batches.

I'm still experimenting with a couple of the smaller parts on this engine, namely the throttle/directional valve retaining apparatus. Originally I was going to use a simple spring to apply pressure to the valve holding it to the port face but decide to use a more compact arrangement as what you see in the previous photos. This design uses a compressed o-ring sandwiched between the back of the valve and the guide bushing, but I'm not 100% sold on the design yet which is why I'm still experimenting with it. Now that pretty all the parts are completed for the engine to run besides the components that go into the mystery mounting hole next to the crankshaft I decide to shift my attention temporarily back over to the boiler project. The boiler received new upper and lower sight glass fittings which I think are more in-scale with the size of the boiler. I modeled these fittings after larger fittings used on some of our full sized boilers. The boiler also received the final compact burner design which tucks neatly under the engine's intake/exhaust manifold. Every effort has been taken to keep this steam plant as light weight and compact as possible. The total weight for the steam plant so far with the completed engine and boiler including the mounting base is 46.5 ounces.

P.S. BTW, Those are not blemishes in the paint on the engine photos. I didn't realize how much dust was clinging to the engine and various other parts during the taking of the photos till after I put the camera away and started looking at the pictures. Sorry.


Hi Kno3,

Yup you are correct, the lubricator manifold can be reversed if needed.
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benjaml1

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2010, 09:28:38 am »

Beautiful....  :-))


Would it be possible to post a pic with an object along side it to get an idea of scale ?
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pipercub1772

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2010, 10:02:42 am »

wow, looking wonderful nick absolutely love the red coulour same as the sparrow engine i prefer it much better than the blue ,its great having youre input on this forum and i dont no if it would be posible but it would be great to see a picture of you and your machine shop , best wishes allan .
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yogojr

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2010, 12:42:26 pm »

It looks great Nick. Another beautiful piece of jewelry. As far as color is concerned, the red is nice but I always equate the blue with Monahan - sort of like Henry Ford with Black.

Might be heading out to San Mateo third week in July - if I don't change employers.

Tom
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MONAHAN STEAM MODELS

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2010, 05:03:11 pm »

Beautiful....  :-))


Would it be possible to post a pic with an object along side it to get an idea of scale ?

I would be happy to post another picture with an object along side of it. Is there any particular object you might like me to use? To give a general idea of size for now the stainless steel base plate that the boiler and engine are mounted on is 6 1/4" long by 2 11/16" wide. So in other words the steam plant will fit into the palm of your hand.

Thanks Allan,

It's good to hear your feedback. I see if I can take some photo's of the shop sometime when it's not such a disaster. Normally the shop is keep so clean you can eat off the floor but due to the long hours of chaotic working things have gotten tuned upside down.

Hey Tom,

I should be around in the third week of July so if you would like to stop by the shop again that would be great. We are putting on the "All steam boat event" again in San Francisco on August 8th. It's too bad you could not post pone your trip until then so you could attend the event.
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benjaml1

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2010, 05:24:24 pm »

I would be happy to post another picture with an object along side of it. Is there any particular object you might like me to use?

Can of Coke, packet of Marlboros ? Some may not know the size of a US Quarter...   :-)
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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2010, 05:40:52 pm »

I could include a flask of Jameson whiskey and a pack of Camels since that's what within arms length at the moment.  %) {-)
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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2010, 06:23:54 pm »

Quality items should be compared with another quality item - Scottish Malt  {-)
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Bunkerbarge

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2010, 06:36:03 pm »

Nick, absolutely beautiful, it fair brings a tear to my eyes! 

My money is definately on the burgundy as it differentiates your engines from other manufacturers.

Please let me know when I can buy one!!!
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Bernhard

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2010, 07:24:04 pm »

If you cant make it red?..... :-)).....so burgundy it is

Regards Bernhard
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knoby

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Re: The birth of the Cirrus V-Twin
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2010, 07:45:07 pm »

Absolutely brilliant Nick. Whilst I dabble in steam a little, I am nowhere near as knowledgeable as many on here & it has been a real eye opener to watch you develop this engine & boiler. Thank you so much for posting this enlightening subject.

personally i prefer the burgundy, but I'm saving to buy one no matter what colour you make them.

Cheers Glenn
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