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[FullLeatherJacket]

yes FLJ I turned the Shamrock right over in the lake!  Drowned all of the electrics.

Hooligan  
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You'll be needing some new ones, then??  £

[John W E]

Hooligan 
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You'll be needing some new ones, then??  £

aye a big boy did it and ran away but you kknow ACTION stuff - dry it out proper like and it works  but it was the receiver that got it 

[FullLeatherJacket]

Spit and bother................but I had to ask (FLJ's Flattened Finger Fund is running low, you know).
M. Neuf-doigts

[Dueller]

Regarding the 2.4 - radio sets - I believe its the Spectrum make.  Also, I think it was the 'Giant Cod' radio - there may be a slight problem with both of these - of de-binding.

they were telling me the story of several very expensive models flying off into the distance, never to be seen again - and one crashing to earth due to the above-mentioned problem.

Anyone else heard of this de-binding problem associated with the 2.4 sets?   

aye
john e
bluebird

Some of the 2.4 sets lose contact after about 100 meters, many do not realise this, especially the fly boys. I dont think it was de-binding but exceeding the range that was the problem. The planet 5 is good for 100 meters but that is the recomended distance although some have experienced greater distances. I never really send my boat out that far so it's not a problem for me.

[DickyD]

Planet would appear to disagree.

From their web site.

The Planet T5™ transmitter and receiver have been designed for precision helicopter and aircraft flying and feature Advanced 2.4GHz control. 2.4GHz is a worldwide frequency that has many applications and uses. This technology is very suited to enhance safe flying through the model and hobby industry. 2.4Ghz technology creates the advantage for a ‘bound’ relationship between the Transmitter and Receiver. The setting up of this relationship is known as ‘binding’. In a ‘bound’ transmitter/receiver relationship the receiver is exclusively bound to your transmitter and can only respond to signals received from your transmitter. It will not respond or receive signals from any other device or transmitter transmitting on the 2.4GHz frequency band. Binding is done at the factory. Once a transmitter is bound to it’s receiver, re-binding of transmitter and receiver is not normally required.

[Dueller]

Planet would appear to disagree.

http://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=29064

"Quote"   Please note instructions state the range is only 150 metres -  So this is only suitable for small helicopters and park fly aircraft.

[John W E]

hi all

my personal feeling is 2.4 hasnt got much going for it really - the only thing I can see that is really beneficial is that it will solve the problem of Lakeside frequency arguments.  Restricted range/de-binding/not being able to use it in submarines/having to have the aerial sets at certain angles on the receiver/its too 'iffy' for me personally - too new to the game.   If it were me just setting out wanting the radio gear I myself would sick to the tried and tested 40 mghz sets - and also the 27s less finicky

aye
john e

[FullLeatherJacket]

I have technical issues with all of them

O, yeah - there was the range thing as well! 

Like Bloobs, I still prefer the 'old' stuff on 40FM - if you can see it then you can control it. YOGWYPF (Mongolian for 'caveat emptor'?)

FLJ

[6705russell]

I use the Jeti 2.4ghz system which i believe is faultless, i dont usually place the receiver aerial at right angle and have never experienced a problem, we do have a problem with 40mhz down at the lake, there seems to be a "blind spot" halfway out where it catches a few boats out for some reason?

Russ

[craftysod]

Dont bother setting ariels  at angles,nor range problems,if it was set at 150 mtrs  you cant see the thing anyway or how many ponds we sail at are that big.
I put rx in at any angle not lost  signal yet,and thats in 6 boats,dont dismiss 2.4 ghz,it cant work for subs,but they are a few amongst us

[Dueller]

Dont bother setting ariels  at angles,nor range problems,if it was set at 150 mtrs  you cant see the thing anyway or how many ponds we sail at are that big.
I put rx in at any angle not lost  signal yet,and thats in 6 boats,dont dismiss 2.4 ghz,it cant work for subs,but they are a few amongst us

I did wonder about angles, especially in aircraft. Flying straight and level to keep the ariels at the correct angle may be a tad boring.

[HS93 (RIP)]

so you are having a nice sail at a lake no one about when a few locals turn up and your boat starts bouncing of the bank and you look around and someone is playing with there boat you ask what freq they are on and they tell you the same as you are on , so you ask why did you not check and the answer is because it is my club freq I always use it . or you have the peg at a club and your boat starts looping the loop and someone is at a table behind you twidling with a TX and you ask what freq he is on as he has no peg and the answer is its OK the ant is down or I am only setting up my speed controller..or the classic I have reversed my xtals so its ok, because so and so does it all the time
or I thought I would be ok sailing on the other side of the lake, over the years I have heard them all.

2.4 is the only way to go no pegs no silly fools turning on , no waiting for someone to flatten his ten amp battery before you get the peg and if your boat hits the bank its your fault.


Peter

[vintagent]

So you have that many using your lake, HS, do you?  Whenever I've tried to find any model boaters in the past round here, I'd need to set my alarm clock and consult the sat nav so that I could get to the pond at exactly the right time to find maybe three insular chums with any boats and exactly 1 hour and 43 minutes later, without a word they all pack up and toddle off for their early lunch.
It's why I set up wherever I like on any of the many local bodies of water.  I can't believe your place is so popular that you get any real hassle from people just turning up!  We'd be happy to see any!

Regards,
Vintagent

[John W E]

Hi all
Just to try and clarify the point I was making in my last post
We have a new member to this hobby of model boating with shall we say a limited knowledge of the hobby,  he will now doubt  encounter some problems along the way in his modelling and will be encouraged to seek answers from this forum, they may not have the use of a modelling club at hand to help   so is it wise to point them to new technology that is still in its infancy and that still one or two bugs to put right , is it not safer to point them at old tried and tested   ways even if they have sum draw backs
I am not condemning the new technology (2.4) it is the way we will all go in the end but when it requires 3 pages of possible faults and remedies to help someone on this forum and it turns out to be a naff TX supply battery  in the end, and that was using the old 40 mghz    what chants  have they got with the added possibility of problems with the new stuff (2.4)  we will require a hole forum to get the problems sorted never mind 3 pages  ???
Know doubt as they gain more experience in the hobby the problems will become less and easier to fix by themselves and confidence in themselves will grow thus making it easier for them to take on the new and sometimes old technology   at ease   and with some understanding 

aye
john e
 

[HS93 (RIP)]

Ned Ludd rules OK  


Peter

[dougal99]

2.4Ghz technology is at least 5 years old. Positively ancient by modern standards.  Its main advantage is no frequency clashes. Also it can be cheaper than 27 or 40 sets.

As for troubleshooting I think once you have ruled out duff batteries, bad connections and broken ESCs or servos the average RC user (ie me) would be stumped whether it was 27, 40 or 2.4. 

I say go for 2.4 it leaves more 40 frequencies free for me 

[red181]

Sorry, but I cant help thinking that some of the posts are somewhat negative to the originators original question, and I would like to point out that only a few weeks ago I witness not a spotty teenager turning on his treansmitter with a total disregard for others, but an elderly "should have known better" experienced modeller, which resulted in a real nice perkassa going full tilt in reverse and sinking!

Only too often I hear the cries from the experienced of "its my frequency, or its my peg!", and If Tony does not want to read a book, but learns from the internet, so what, gentlemen, its called progress, do some of you still get the test card on your tellys

New technology is infiltrating this hobby of model boats, and we must welcome it, either components, or the souce of information.

My advice, get yourself to your local model boat club, have a look at what people are doing, most model boat club members will be delighted to help and advise, decide what you want, and what you want to spend, and ask as many questions on this forum as you want, no matter how silly they may be. I have done the same, and learned a lot, from people who understand what you are going through, there are some very skilled and experienced people here who will be more than happy to help, long live 2.4, brushless motors, and the 21st century

 

[Subculture]

I say go for 2.4 it leaves more 40 frequencies free for me 

Amen to that. Although I have both in the same TX- belt and braces!

[red181]

Bluebird, yes spektrum about 18 months ago had a recall on (I think) DX6 transmitters, they replaced ALL that fell within  a certain model range, irrespective of where they where bought, I believe its still on their website?, thats pretty good, I am sure that they are not the only manufacturer that suffered this, anyone driving a Toyota

I use a DX6i for helicopters, and would love to use it for my boats, but the receivers are so expensive, and the throttle is not self centring, so I use the Turborix 2.4 cheap as chips system on 3 boats, with certainly no problems. You have to also consider what batteries are in the transmitter? If using rechageable, they are 1.2v instead of 1.5v aa batteries, so you are immediatly down on tx power, and most 2.4 tx's take less batteries than old 40 or 27meg sets, the reduced voltage will affect the range, so get the 1.5v cells back in, and the range will increase.

Vintagent, I was at Hoylake at 9.30am Sunday, there where already several people there, and Over at Birkenhead, at 10.00am the car park had 8 cars with boaters there, you nare very lucky if you dont get people at your local lake, or very lonely  

[Robert Davies]

...which resulted in a real nice perkassa going full tilt in reverse and sinking!

I wuz there and I dun saw it 'appen..... .....and heard the excuses afterwards.....

It certainly pushed the limits of the club's motto "The friendly club" (!)


Moving on....

2.4ghz has been a 'good thing' in my experience for (at least) two reasons.

1. It's own intrinsic values.
2. It's adoption by others frees up significant areas of the spectrum for those who either can not, or do not want to give up 40mhz.

Both systems demand an understanding and duty of care from their users to get the best and safest use from those respective systems.

-Rob

[John W E]

hi all

it proves a point - some people only read half posts and understand even less - point being I am not against 2.4 - it is there to be used.   What I am against are people who offer advice who do not fully understand the product - especially to a newcomer in the modelling field.   If the newcomer has a problem with 2.4 how many of us on this forum can put hand on heart and say they have a thorough understanding of 2.4 technology.  Did one know that there are some modelling materials that we use regularly that shield 2.4 signals?  preventing it from working - e.g. Kevlar - and certain other fibre glass materials interfere with 2.4 .   If one is wondering YES I am learning and also having to do a conversion for a friend of mine on a Futaba 35 mghz over to 2.4 mghz and I am still learning and feeling my way around this new technology.

I STILL FEEL THE ONLY FULL ADVANTAGE OF 2.4 IS IT WILL SORT OUT THE LAKESIDE ARGUMENTS - OVER FREQUENCIES  
http://www.rcmodelreviews.com/spreadspectrum01.shtml
Hey ho...
aye
johne

[Mankster]

Whilst browsing in WS Smiths, I spotted that RCM&E were giving a Free Planet 5 Radio to new Subscribers -£39.95 for 12 months by direct debit.

[vintagent]

Red181,
Oh I'm never lonely, mate.  I got me models and a 2 year old grandson who follows Ganggak everywhere!
Those clubs Oop Norf always seem well attended.  I remember all the model yacht racing reports from Fleetwood and such places.
No radio, but they were fascinating.  A Knack and a long pole...I find that strangely appealing, Octo!

Regards,
Vintagent

[octo]

HI shipmates; Little did I think that when I posed my question ,96 posts ago . That it would
get the response it has . I find it wonderful, that so many people can have such diverse opinions.
As Ive said previously Ive purchased a Planet T5 ,So i hope to base everything around this unit.
I will keep everyone informed of my progress. Got to go, Im fitting a propshaft to my hull,( sounds painful).
yours Tony.

[red181]

Hi Vintagent, made me laugh! that , yes I was out last night with my youngest at Hoylake, he played on the beach with a friend using RC trucks (40 and 27) and I was on  the lake (on my own ) on........ yes you guessed 2.4!! I actually like being on my own ,
I can thrash my Huntsman around without disturbing others, I tried some different battery packs and it was ballistic
Nobody can see how useless my driving skills are!
and as I am on the limit of all the electronics, an explosion is imminent, so nobody will see it!
My missus didn't know, she thought I was playing with the kids, so I got an unofficial "pass out"

Bluebird, could not agree more with your comment regarding advice being given out by people who are unqualified to do so, how often do we see "my advice is bla bla, but Ive never actually done it myself", so the newbie goes off, spends a packet, and it all goes wrong. For the record, yes I know about 2.4 (flying helis for the last 10 years), yes to kevlar and carbon fibre etc, thats why most helis have 2 receivers. such as spectrum, so one does not lose the signal depending on frame material, and orientation of the heli, last thing you want is to lose the signal when its upside down!, with a rotor tip speed that could be in excess of 200mph. Spektrum also advise in the manual, range test before using equipment, and details how to do this, this should also apply to boats and cars.

With regard to the conversion you are doing, A friend of mine did one recently for a fixed wing flyer, the club he was a member of refused the use of the converted tx as the CE certification became invalid, and he was no longer insured by the governing body of BMFA, and insurance is generally mandatory proof of which needs to be produced prior to flying with virtually all clubs, you might want to warn your friend to check this out if he is a club member to save any embarrassment