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[vintagent]

OK, well, I know there are one or two people on here who share my interest in the above, but it seems to me we are the very much neglected side of model boating.
So, my question is, as always, WHY???  But more to the point...is there anywhere on the hinternet that a chap can go to find these subjects as the main topic?
Model Ship World is all Nelson stick and string and this forum is a wide range which rarely has anything specifically speedboat and cruiser.
The old Model Boat Wizard site run by Rich Redfern and friends was EXACTLY what I mean but AOL shut it down just like that with never an explanation.

Quite why such lovely craft get so ignored defeats me.  And we haven't even started on the elegant Lakers and Launches.
Dumas and Legend make kits of the "safe"ones to some extent, I believe Sterling did them too, but that's it.
As for the plethora of British boats of the type, nothing!! 
I'm not a kit builder, but surely an Albatross or Delta, a Healey Sportsboat or a Singer Cadet would be popular?  Even an Andrews Slipper Launch, but nobody even seems to ask about these indigenous types.  What about Umpire Launches?  Whippet and Darby Single Steppers?  R1 hydros with Hillman Imp engines inboard?

Is this indicative of the British lack of concern about our marine heritage?
Even on the Classic Motor Boat Association forum, there is little activity.

So...anyone have any sites I can go to, to see woodies in scale on the web and the aluminium ones too??  (Maybe the odd GRP classic as well)

Regards,
Vintagent

[triumphjon]

i think theres a lack of support for many of our classic boating heritage , 27th to the 29th august is the cowes torquay powerboat race , which this year celebrates its 100 th aviversary ! ive looked at some of the enteries for this event which has a good following so should be a good weekend ? ? i often pick up copies of classic boat at the wh smith libary but its often just sailing craft . very nice in there own right but not much good for my modelling as i live in a first floor flat with no lift & two 180 degree turns in the stairwell ! ! my models have to be under 5 ft and light enough to carry on my own . owners clubs of the various motor boats dont seem very helpful unless you join the club first ! its not as though we can attend there events & acctually take part with our own boats ? my interest outside of classic boats is also the up keep of my also classic triumph 2500 tc saloon  which ive now owned for 3 years , this one being the 5th big saloon , ive also owned about ten dolomites , countless heralds & two bond equipes !   some of us enjoy keeping heritage alive for all to see !

[vintagent]

Well said, jon, but the offshore classic people tend to inhabit a forum called boatmad and I applied to join ages ago. Still haven't heard.  There also appears to be a lod of "my Swordfish/Surfury has bigger engines than yours" in there.

As to models of these craft, even rarer.  So strange when one considers that they the only models which don't appear to bob about like a cork. mainly because they're decent size scales of boats that actually do bob about a bit anyway!

As to keeping a 2500 on the road, good on yer!  I have a Reliant Fox van and my son a GT6. The Reliant has been anything but and the GT6 I'd drive anywhere.
I've had 15 Triumphs in all and not one of them ever let me down, including a Dolomite and a Toledo, Two heralds, Four GT6s, a Spitfier, a 1500, etc., etc.

I also had an Albatross Mk1 (Hull No. 135) which I couldn't run anywhere without paying a fortune for going to CMBA dos. Without their venues, temporary though they are, you can't easily run a fast boat in this sorry land, so when they kicked me out as their editor I sold the boat, having done it up a treat.

Regards,
Vintagent

[Dinosaursoupman]

I don't know if it's as much a lack of interest as it is the difficulty of getting plans for these type vessels. Many of these classic speedboats were privately built by small boatyards that , for whatever reason, are not eager to share their results with the model builder. Currently on the Model Ship World website a number of us members are trying to reconstruct the plans for the commuter yacht Aphrodite 3 based upon contemporay pictures and those taken during her restoration. A request had been made to the boatyard that did the restoration for plans, and though the lines were taken, the family of the original builder requested that they not be shared. That is the dilemna that we face when choosing to model these beautiful boats.

Another point to consider; when we build such a boat we usually think of it as a scale reproduction. Scale size, scale details and scale speed. As you alluded to, if it can't set a world speed record on the pond, then the racers aren't interested. And if it doesn't do anything other than go forward and backwards then the scale modellers aren't interested. It's a tough category that we're pigeon-holed into.

Randy

[mogsy]

It's the same with modern superyachts. The offerings from Graupner and Robbe barely get a mention anywhere and I have posted a link to a site by Henry Sykes of his scratchbuilt Viva La Vida superyacht a fantastic scratch build in one of the mags a month ago.
It's clearly scale to me yet no coments on this site.  If it was a WWII era troop ship or a noisy strimmer engined record breaker you wouldnt be able to move for coment here.

Maybe it's just me but I enjoy nothing better than getting out early in the morning round the deeper Med marinas and places like Nice Port and eyeing up what most here refer to as Gin palaces.

I've ordered and recieved plans form Henry and fully intend documenting build just as soon as time allows.

My fascination with these things puts me in the minority perahps ?

Mogs

[Nige52]

Mogs,
I too have a 'Gin Palace', it's the Billings Sea Star, ok it looks straight out of Thunderbirds, but I don't care as I think she looks lovely cruising about the lake 

[mogsy]

Oooooh, whats that look like Nige ??  I cant find one even on Google images. 
(cant find smiley for puzzled either).
Mogsy

[Nige52]

Here are a couple of photos 

[Nige52]

Ahh!
There's even one on here, on the Mayhem 

Click me

[Nige52]

Here's one I took last Sunday at Sandwell MBC, and one I took 2 minutes ago, you can see better detail on these.

[triumphjon]

think ive been in a minority group for years ! But its far nicer to have a model youve biult yourself that isnt the same as everyboby elses at the local lake . speed or boats that explode  or pull things sideways round the lake arent for all of us . its annoying at the hurdles we come up against trying to find interesting subjects ? personally i like lots of the fairey marine craft , but get bored seeing just huntsmen 28s & 31s modeled , fairey made lots of other models & also supplied hulls to other biulders too ,  there was also commercial boats made by fairey , im currently biulding a 1/12 th spear & a spearfish . ive also been looking into biulding a huntress in mod trim as well as a sword , so think ive enough for a week or three ? 

[mogsy]

That's lovely that is!!  If you didnt see the June edition of MMI here's the link to the web page of Henry Sykes stunning scaratch build

www.Wix.com/HenrySykes/Model-Superyacht

I'm very excited because I've purchased plan. Just got to empty Workshop/Garage following house move not a million miles from fellow Mayhemmer Nomustangmark.

SeaStar looks like finished to very high standard so I'tll be something to compare my efforts to.

Mogs

[vintagent]

Well, that IS a Gin Palace, but it's still a cruiser even if at the big end of things.  Fair enough.
There are of course a lot of other "superyachts" that can be scratchbuilt, plus those in the middle like Jon's Faireys.

The lack of plans actually needn't be a problem.  The Aphrodite model that dinosaursoupman is referring to is being carved in sectioned foam and then the sections will be separated and drawn up.  There,... drawings.  As long as the foam model is well carved and we all like the shape, it's done.  Who's to say it ain't right? The safe boys who build kits of tugs and lifeboats?
What would they know about our kind of boats anyway.  Or, obviously, care?

I have now a large and growing selection of plans, some for actual boats, some idiot proof for model building of woodies, a steam launch, a steam yacht, vintage and classic actual hydros, very early speedboats in mahogany, etc.  Plans for cruisers from dayboats to express cruisers can be downloaded.  I'm about to scan in some lines for a beautiful James Silver cruiser.

Join the Anarchists' Model Boat Club and do something different.
*The Anarchists' Model Boat Club does not officially exist as anarchists do not believe in groupings.*
Non-members of the Anarchists' Model Boat Club don't pay for anything above costs (prints, postage) if they can get away with it.

There is NEVER an excuse not to do what you really want to. It takes a little more effort, that's all.
I should like to suggest a Special Interest Group for our kind of boats.  Either on a forum like this or RC Groups' "Dock Talk" or maybe even Model Ship World, where the Aphrodite discussion is about the only thread about speedboats and cruisers.
Maybe a Yahoo group.
Any suggestions how we could go ahead with this?

Fireboat did it for Crash tenders and the wider Aerokits type of model
Dodgy Geezer has done an excellent job with Eezibilts and more.
Since the demise of the much missed Model Boat Wizards, there has been nothing on woodies, speedboats and scale cruisers.
Maybe it's time to give it all some direction.

Regards,
Vintagent

[slug]

a windermere ferry teal part finished on e/bay model boats radio controlled 40inches long 1 day to go   slug

[sunnybob]

OK, well, I know there are one or two people on here who share my interest in the above, but it seems to me we are the very much neglected side of model boating.
So, my question is, as always, WHY???  But more to the point...is there anywhere on the hinternet that a chap can go to find these subjects as the main topic?
Model Ship World is all Nelson stick and string and this forum is a wide range which rarely has anything specifically speedboat and cruiser.
The old Model Boat Wizard site run by Rich Redfern and friends was EXACTLY what I mean but AOL shut it down just like that with never an explanation.

Quite why such lovely craft get so ignored defeats me.  And we haven't even started on the elegant Lakers and Launches.
Dumas and Legend make kits of the "safe"ones to some extent, I believe Sterling did them too, but that's it.
As for the plethora of British boats of the type, nothing!!  
I'm not a kit builder, but surely an Albatross or Delta, a Healey Sportsboat or a Singer Cadet would be popular?  Even an Andrews Slipper Launch, but nobody even seems to ask about these indigenous types.  What about Umpire Launches?  Whippet and Darby Single Steppers?  R1 hydros with Hillman Imp engines inboard?

Is this indicative of the British lack of concern about our marine heritage?

There are a few of us about, but not many  
there are many plans though, when I was searching for the plans for this one, i found a big list from a firm in glasgow

Even on the Classic Motor Boat Association forum, there is little activity.

So...anyone have any sites I can go to, to see woodies in scale on the web and the aluminium ones too??  (Maybe the odd GRP classic as well)

Regards,
Vintagent

ther are some plans available, but not a lot of people admit to owning complete cruiser

[BigDutch]

Ah well, time to put on the waders I see.  I have found tons of plans for early woodenboats on www.books.google.com. Enter a search term such as Rudder Magazine, Cruiser or Marine Engineer and look for the ones that have the words 'full preview' at the bottom of the description.  These can be downloaded as pdfs., read and or printed out on your home printer. From there it is a quick trip to the reprographics shop. For example; complete lines and side and top profiles for a 1000 island yacht clubs design speedboat pre 1910 that has the oversight of C. Mower. That is just one of the goodies I've found. There are full textbooks on woodenboat construction, many detail drawings to be found and wonderful stories from the turn of the last century; when men were gentlemen and women exuded charm whilst fulll clothed. The many photographs of the elegant launch and cruiser interiors, classic sheer and raked masts harken to the wonderful excesses of the  golden age. May she long reign in the memories of man. How's that Vintagent?

BigDutch,

Former Wizard
Minor Mayhemer
Crochety Old Fart

[vintagent]

Hey Dutch,  dat's real poedick like, my fwend, real poedick.

You gotta soul, man.

Please excuse the New York written accent. Tain't easy to do. I just have the little fat guy out of Taxi in mind.

And I must thank Dutch for the examples of the above that he sent me.  Superb reference  .Enough for my machine to go ...PoP!!

I've just rolled all my bigger drawings up because I don't care to fold them and now it'll be an hour's work to find any one of 'em!!
But Dutch sent me A4s, bless him.  And that google resource really is something else.

Regards,
Vintagent