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Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« on: August 01, 2010, 08:52:06 am »

Gentlemen -

There has been quite a lot of discussion about Aerokits and other vintage boats recently. As you know, I would like to see more of them on the water - my latest contribution is now at http://taycol.hobby-site.com .

It's a web-page or two giving a few pictures of this old electric motor range, and some pointers on wiring them up with modern radios. Early days yet - so I would be grateful for information on errors and omissions, and any further contributions.

I should also thank Kiwimodeller and Vintage for their invaluable assistance and support. Where there is something helpful on the site it will be due to to them - where the information is completely at sea it will be my fault!

I hope this will give more people the encouragement to renovate old boats complete with their motors, and maybe buy (or even make!) a Taycol to give that air of authenticity to a modern rebuild.....



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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2010, 09:40:13 am »

Well, yerv dun it again DG, ressurected ded technolgy, can almost smell the hot Paxolin. Todays boaties don't know they're born. Lantern cells, "Flat" batteries (NO, 4 1/2V with flat springy brass contacts) 22 1/2V hearing aid batteries and "Nife" cells from Sallis.

  "WE ad it tough"   O0

  Thanks again.

  Regards  Ian
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2010, 04:53:59 pm »

Well, yerv dun it again DG, ressurected ded technolgy, can almost smell the hot Paxolin.........

Well, someone's got to do it!

From my stats I think people may not realise that there's a whole page on each motor, available when you click the image.....  Do you like the pages of the handbook? I'm thinking about adding the whole handbook to the EeZeBilt site using this technique. That will include the old single channel radio sets - that will really show the current generation why free running was still a major branch of the hobby in 1960...
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2010, 07:01:46 am »

Thank you Dg. That is a most interesting and informative paper you have written. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2010, 08:14:17 am »

Excellent effort DG and all contributors.

Old motors are not really my "scene" but I found your Site fascinating and have read it all. It deserves wider acknowledgement.

Roger in France
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2010, 09:30:04 am »

First class piece of work, well done, thanks. :-)) :-)) :-))
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2010, 09:43:51 am »

Thanks for the very kind comments from Roger, Arrow5 and Poddy! The site has achieved my main aim, which was to avoid being called into the garden to help with heavy lifting over the last month...

Very few people seem to be looking at the individual motor pages - I should have made it more obvious where they were...I have now highlighted the places on the 'Range' page to click to get into them - one of these days I will learn how to code up HTML buttons.....

Aren't computers fun...  {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ :-X
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2010, 10:40:38 am »

Yes, very interesting DG, I have drawn attention to it on the Model Boats website as there are quite a few people there who will want to take a look.

Maybe you should consider adding a buy/sell/swap section?

Colin
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2010, 04:43:45 pm »

I have drawn attention to it on the Model Boats website as there are quite a few people there who will want to take a look.


Very kind - I hope they like it! At the least, it should be a good place to refer people to for that perennial question - "How do I make a Taycol go backwards?"...


Maybe you should consider adding a buy/sell/swap section?

Ooo-er! That sounds like a lot of work! Perhaps next week....?
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2010, 05:17:42 pm »

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Ooo-er! That sounds like a lot of work! Perhaps next week....?

You should know better DG. First law of systems development - everything you have done so far at the expense of great time and effort is taken for granted and used as a baseline for requesting more functionality. T'was ever so....

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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2010, 08:17:38 am »

You should know better DG. First law of systems development - everything you have done so far at the expense of great time and effort is taken for granted and used as a baseline for requesting more functionality. T'was ever so....

Colin


Unfortunately, that law also applies to helping wives in gardens.. <:( <:( :-X
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2010, 07:25:20 pm »

Thanks D.G. for setting up that website. Very good information and graphics. I have a Taycol Meteor that is 50 years old. I originally put it in a boat I built as a young lad. The boat was handed down to a nephew who returned it about five years ago. It was quite delapidated and sat in my garage until last year I decided to renovate it with modern motor and rc. That got me back into the hobby. I kept the taycol for posterity not expecting to use it again. Thanks to your website I will investigate a refit of the the original motor.
Many thanks
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2010, 07:54:01 pm »

Glad to hear it's of use. All I need to do now is convince my wife.....Coming, dear.....
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2010, 09:00:11 pm »

Gosh its amazing what is and isnot .i have a taycol ,compleat in box with all the paraphinalia ? ?and i just found out ,cant go astern .well done for this ..
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2010, 09:42:53 pm »

...i have a taycol ,compleat in box with all the paraphinalia ? ?and i just found out ,cant go astern .well done for this ..

Can go astern - you just have to know the trick! Hope to see it out on the pond.... :-))
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2010, 08:47:36 pm »

Well .Have i got to study this ,,or is it obvious ..
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2010, 10:41:43 pm »

Well .Have i got to study this ,,or is it obvious ..


Umm.

Is this a question? If so, do you know the Taycol model you have? The model name should be stamped on the brass mounting feet. Tell us the name, and we can point you to the right wiring diagram....
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2010, 06:34:12 pm »

DG - The site looks great  :-))

Have just sent you email

Mark.
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2011, 10:04:31 pm »

Update to the site


I didn't really expect to be changing this site much - but Malcolm Frary of the Blackpool & Fylde MBC has pointed out some inaccuracy, and more importantly, proposed a new, simpler and better way of radio-reversing those Taycols which have a built-in reversing coil.

http://taycol.hobby-site.com/install.html is the page with the data on....
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2011, 12:47:32 pm »

Though I would not say there was a torrent of interest in these old engines, there seems to be a little group of people looking to bring them back to life.

Prices on Ebay are always buoyant, and I get occasional messages from people who want to get them back into vintage boats and running. As an example I offer this brush repair I was recently told about - a classic example of the can-do attitude which early modellers needed to have in abundance, and which is less obvious in these RTR days....   :-)) :-))

http://taycol.hobby-site.com/brushrepair.html

I have added a little section to the web site, so if anyone out there has a story to tell (with pictures!) about their Taycol then send it over and I can share it with all the other boat modellers who haven't discovered the delights of old field-wound motors yet...    :}
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2011, 01:18:13 pm »

Thank you for running this site. Its great to see that the motors come apart. Better than modern ones that have indented casings or ears and are made to be disposable. It looks like your brush conversion is far better than the origanals.One word of caution please ensure that a soft carbon brush is used as hard carbon may cause excessive com wear. John.
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2011, 02:08:21 pm »

It looks like your brush conversion is far better than the origanals.


Not my conversion. Arthur Look's.

One word of caution please ensure that a soft carbon brush is used as hard carbon may cause excessive com wear. John.


Umm?... The Taycol brushes (for the big engines) are pure Copper Mesh, working on a Brass commutator. Commutator wear is handled by quite frequent oiling directly onto the brushes, of the order of 1 drop of oil every 15 mins of running. http://taycol.hobby-site.com/tay12.jpg refers.

That's probably what gives these motors their distinctive smell. In some respects, they really are quite close to a steam engine!   %%

Each commutator plate is a triangular bit of brass about 1/10" thick. Long end about 1/2". If they wear, cut some more from thick brass sheet. They really are quite agricultural....
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2011, 02:26:04 pm »

I did not know that the coms were brass. Again it depends on how hard the brass is.I wonder why Taycol used brass? Possibly so they could use copper.I do wonder why carbon was not used.Again this may have been for cost and convinience? John.
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Re: Taycol Marine Motors - new Web site
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2011, 02:56:41 pm »

We are talking about the early days of electric motors here. So the understanding of physical design issues was sparse. For instance, the designer of the first Taycols, such as the Star, did not realise the importance of maintaining a closely-coupled magnetic flux circuit. The greater sophistication of specially-graded sintered carbon brushes was well into the future... {:-{

I am not sure when such carbon brushes became readily available for small motors. The critical point about them, of course, is that they offer higher resistance to the pole-to-pole short-circuit flow across the commutator as the brush bridges two sectors. This is less of an issue in the smaller motor sizes, and Taycols handled the issue in part by having large gaps between the commutator plates.

This can encourage sparking, but I think the odd Taycol practice of bathing the brushes in lubricating oil suppresses this quite effectively. The practice goes so much against the way modern motors work that few people nowadays realise the requirement, and I believe that the image of the Taycol as a major interference generator only exists because most people do not lubricate their brushes, and then wonder why they spark and wear.... <:( <:(

And finally, of course, the Taycols are made out of readily available sheet and bar materials. Everything was made in the factory. Only the nuts and washers were bought in, and possibly the studding. Carbon brushes would have had to be bought in, and I'm not sure where you could have obtained these in the 1940s or 50s. Certainly they would have been costly items....
  
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