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[GJA]

I work as a volunteer for a Maritime Museum and we wish to start a modelling class for about 8 to 12 yr. olds where they with help from their parents and the museum can make & sail in one day a small model boat (preferably a sailboat). We need a small supply of cheap hulls (not complete kits) that we can design a very, very easily made boat around. F/glass would be nice but a good vac-formed hull would be o.k. Does any one have any suggestions for a supplier.

[Prophet]

Heres one for you it don't get any easier then this...SPRINGER TUGS  couple of sheets of 8x4 ply and a jigsaw needed to get started! you can knock out quite a few springers from an 8x4!!

Main chat
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.0

plans here
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=18277.0


reason i mention springers then send you somewhere with a yacht plans is that yachts are a little more complicated to build especially in a day, you have to do a deck mast riggings, form of control for riggings  the sails its self , springers .. 30 mins with a jigsaw few hours to glue together add a prop shaft and prop make or buy a rudder add an esc rx and motor and your done, cheap boat rough cost looking around £50 max not including a transmitter but u can pick them up cheap as chips on ebay , then you can host events with the sprngers like springer football!

[HS93 (RIP)]

http://www.kingstonmouldings.com/ do mini vap hulls
but a few inches longer  nice hulls though
peter

[GJA]

I like the idea of springer tugs and will investigate this. The museum could invite those who have made them back for football matches on our boating pool - an idea that would I think appeal to our management. I can't however let little 10 year olds loose on a jigsaw for 'health & safety' reasons. I did buy a Unimat 1 lathe and mill (they have a 'child-friendly jigsaw attachment') thinking it might come of use in this project but I've only got 1 and the intention is that the class will have about 8 kids in it.
I've just sent an Email to Kingston Mouldings thanking them for a recent delivery of hulls. I actually have nine of their excellent MiniVap hulls destined to have small steam engines from Graham Industries fitted for eventual sale in the museum shop. We actually need something smaller, less expensive and definitely easier to make.
Also though we would like them to be capable of radio control our intention would be that this could be fitted after the course was over if desired - in this way we would not be excluding children whose parents could not stretch their budgets to electronic equipment.
As to sails and some other parts we intend that some of the museums volunteers would make these prior to the course so a boat could be built in a day. It really is just a hull we want preferably with a flat top so the deck can just be glued on with fast setting epoxy.

thanks for the replies.

[Prophet]

in regards to the springers being built by kids, you could prepare the hulls by pre cutting the panels out ready for the kids to glue together, it took me 10 mins with a stanly blade to cut my panels out for my hull using 4mm ply...

or you could pre build a hull and then just create your own GPR mould and knock a ton of hulls out using the original as a plug this way no cutting of kiddies fingers! if your worried about cost clearly get the adults to make a donation into the cost i mean charge £30 a pop but supply the hull and a deck pre cut  prop shaft and prop and a rudder, this way mom and dad only gotta buy esc which you can get dirt cheap here

ww.micronradiocontrol.co.uk/budget_bldc.html#oemrc-esc-

motor, servo, and a tx/rx set ( which if they go for a 27mhz or 40, they get a servo in the box.)

Another option is supply a full kit , you might get discount if you buy in bulk.... and supply a GPR hull and deck (maybe a basic superstructure) then let the kiddies just paint it, then supply the rest of this  to finish the build...

motors mounts here Mounts for 500-600 & 700 Size Motors
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/motor_mounts.html

motor 550 size
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/cem550s.html

prop shaft m4 size 6 " long
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/caldercraftM4_propshafts.html

3 Bladed Propeller RH 40mm M4
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/plasticm4.html

Small brass rudder
http://www.modelmaniacsonline.co.uk/products.php?ProductID=1937

Budget 18A Brushless ESC
http://www.micronradiocontrol.co.uk/budget_bldc.html

Transmitter and Reciver these are 2.4 ghz so all the kids can play together and not have to worry about signals clashing
http://www.giantcod.co.uk/gianitcod-24ghz-4channel-mode2-transmitter-p-403779.html

decent servo
http://www.giantcod.co.uk/epower-metal-geared-micro-servo-p-403797.html

coupling ( 3 parts) all on same link

Plain Coupling Insert 3.2mm
Threaded Coupling Insert M4
Universal Joint
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/couplings-modular.html

battery
http://www.modelsport.co.uk/?CallFunction=ShowSpecification&ItemID=33926

charger
http://www.modelsport.co.uk/?CallFunction=ShowSpecification&ItemID=37626

total cost to finish boat not including the GPR hull £98 so you could either provide a kit with all this for £110 or you could just supply a hull and this list for mom and dad to buy to finish the boat up to you...

i should get paid for all this work hahahaahha

[dodgy geezer]

I work as a volunteer for a Maritime Museum and we wish to start a modelling class for about 8 to 12 yr. olds where they with help from their parents and the museum can make & sail in one day a small model boat (preferably a sailboat). We need a small supply of cheap hulls (not complete kits) that we can design a very, very easily made boat around. F/glass would be nice but a good vac-formed hull would be o.k. Does any one have any suggestions for a supplier.

My entire site was set up to encourage 8-12 year olds to make their own model boats at about 14" long... However, I expected them to take more than a day (which in practice is probably a couple of hours of work!) - more like a week if you include finishing and painting. Have a look at the plans on the site, though, and see what you think.

Surely a 'class' will be a bit more than a day...?

http://modelboats.hobby-site.com refers 

[dodgy geezer]

If you're looking for a simple-to-make sailing boat suitable for young kids, this is a design my kids made at their school when they were about 10. It's 9" long, a reasonable sailer, and the catamaran shape gives it a fair bit of stability without worrying about ballast weights on the keel. I can probably provide drawings if you wish, but, as you can see, it's made of a couple of bits of ply, 4 blocks of balsa, a dowel, some sellotape and a bit of plastic from a carrier bag. Varnish and acrylic paints work fine...

[kiwi]

Hi GJA,
There is also this on Dodgy Geezer's web-site, which is hidden away.

http://modelboats.hobby-site.com/Scow.html

Designed for beginners and kids

cheers
kiwi

[RaaArtyGunner]

Tried to access the "Scow plans" but wouldn't load 

[Drkomen86]

takes about 3mins but it does load 

[dodgy geezer]

Tried to access the "Scow plans" but wouldn't load 

Sorry - I'm a cheapskate, and the web site is running off my standard home internet service, which only gives 500kb upload service. That usually means a few minutes wait, as Drkomen86 says, but if you're unlucky and one or two others are downloading at the same time, it can sit there for longer.  Sometimes Virgin lock my speeds right down if I exceed their idea of reasonable internet use, and things go even slower....

If you have a problem, wait for half an hour or so, and then try again. If there's still a problem, complain via my hotmail link giving the time you tried, and I'll look into it....

[RaaArtyGunner]

Sorry - I'm a cheapskate, and the web site is running off my standard home internet service, which only gives 500kb upload service. That usually means a few minutes wait, as Drkomen86 says, but if you're unlucky and one or two others are downloading at the same time, it can sit there for longer.  Sometimes Virgin lock my speeds right down if I exceed their idea of reasonable internet use, and things go even slower....

If you have a problem, wait for half an hour or so, and then try again. If there's still a problem, complain via my hotmail link giving the time you tried, and I'll look into it....

Ok will try again and be more patient 
After all it has to reload the otherway up to get to Oz 

[dodgy geezer]

I tried just now when no one else was on the system, and found I could download the Scow file in about 30 seconds, at about 100KB/sec. It ought to get to you in a minute or so....

[RaaArtyGunner]

I tried just now when no one else was on the system, and found I could download the Scow file in about 30 seconds, at about 100KB/sec. It ought to get to you in a minute or so....

Huston must have a problem my end.
Tried to download using Firefox but browser only half "opens" half green bars on bottom right corner.
Bottom left browser corner tells me it is transferring data etc, but nothing appears gave it a good few minutes to download.
Then tried IE as browser but still no luck.
So it might be something local. ?

[RaaArtyGunner]

I tried just now when no one else was on the system, and found I could download the Scow file in about 30 seconds, at about 100KB/sec. It ought to get to you in a minute or so....

All is well that ends well 

Download OK 

[GJA]

Hi,
   many thanks to those of you who suggested the modelboats.hobby-site.com website - exactly what I wanted. The scow from N.Z. is the forerunner in my list of choices and I've been contacted by the person in N.Z. who drew up the plans and have an offer to make a professional mould so we can do the hulls in f/glass. I'll also look at the other designs but it's also been suggested I look at Springer Tugs (which I have done) and one of these would make an excellent 2nd. model to do - any suggestions for a specific plan?

many thanks for the replies so far.

[jonny shoreboy]

@Kiwi: Nice work on the Footy mate, I'm going to build one of those! Would even be interested in the fibre glass hulls if you do end up building them..

Jonny

[maninthestreet]

How about this? :

http://www.alwayshobbies.com/Boats/Radio-Controlled-Model-Boat-Kits/Miscellaneous-Radio-Controlled-Model-Boat-Kits/Surfrider-Model-Boat-Kit.ice

[GJA]

Hi,
   looked at the Surfrider it would make a good project but I don't see kids making it in a day (there are thoughts of longer courses for locals so I'll keep it in mind - may get one with my next order of wood).
   I am constrained in this project in that they need to start sometime after 10am and finish about 4pm as our boating pool shuts about then giving 1/2hr. or so to give those who have made a boat a little time to see if it floats. Hence also the need for a f/glass hull as they will not have time to paint a wooden one and we do not want them going home with a soggy boat.
   Kingston mouldings are currently making a mould of a Falmouth working boat that the museum will be retailing next year (Kingston will also be offering the hull & plans on their website) and they have also provisionally offered to make a mould for this project which I assume will be on the same basis i.e. offered both by the museum and by Kingston but as we do not need them till next year it will be a while before they are available.

[kiwi]

Hi Jonney,
Some photos here

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg151824#msg151824

and here

http://windling-footys.wikispaces.com/Footy-Scows

Some photos of your build on the forum would be good

enjoy
kiwi

[Del-boy1958]

Hi Guys
Models by Design do springer hulls in GRP for £19.99 each give Andy a ring.

Derek

[GJA]

Thanks for the last suggestion- it does not look as though the little kiddies would have too much trouble making one of those so I'll probably order one next week.