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slewis

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leccy stuff
« on: February 18, 2007, 10:40:43 pm »

Ok in a previous thread I asked where to get a certain model from
I have now ordered that model (below)

Its 40" long and I would like to know how you work out what to use as a power plant for it .
I need a motor obviously and also a battery and esc .
How do you work out what works with what in relation to each bit ?
I am used to flying planes and those were all ic powered .
This leccy stuff is a new one on me !
Heeeeeeeelp!  ;D ;D

Shane

I dare say there will be reccomendations in instructions but thought I would try and get a jump start on them .
BTW the model is a chris craft triple
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Re: leccy stuff
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2007, 12:56:37 pm »

Hi slewis,

I have a thirty four inch boat of a similar design. It weighs just over six and a half pounds excluding batteries.
I have a graupner 700 series motor fitted, and it planes very well. I tried it with a standard 700 and a 700BB, not much difference. It did represent a good top scale speed. This was using six and seven cell battery packs, and it gives quite a good run time per amp hour.

Bob
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Stavros

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Re: leccy stuff
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2007, 01:45:21 pm »

personally I would use twin MFA850 motors running 55mm props with a 25amp Viper speed controllers/motor with a 12v gell cell batt which should give around 25Min's running time,I have seen this set up in one of these boats and boy oh boy does it fly.Stavros
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2007, 01:48:08 pm »

Hi slewis, I have a very similar sized launch to the triple and I spent some time working out battery life against planing speed.
I came up with a motor prop combination with an input of 12 volts and 3 amp current load giving 36 watts.  I would go for the minimum power consumption that makes the boat plane.  Any combination to give an answer of 36 -40 watts.  6 volts at 6-7 amps is the same power, as is 7.2 volts at  5 -6 amps, 8.4 volts at 4.5 - 5 amps.  The propeller diameter and pitch determines how much current is used.
The battery (and charger) and motor and propeller are the power unit, I would settle on the first 2 and then try different propellers.
On my launch I tried going from 12 to 18 volts and it made only a marginal difference to the speed, the boat just settles lower in the water at the stern.

If you have not got one, a meter is a good investment,it  must be able to read at least 10 amps on current.  You put it in series with the battery and motor, without the RC ESC in the circuit, as some electronic meters do not like the pulsed output of the ESC.

Use light batteries NiMh, and be prepared to move them within the boat to adjust for planing. You will need more than one set of batteries at the lakeside.  There is another approach to the battery choice.  That is older lower Amp hour batteries and they are cheaper.
For instance.  Howes models advertise 7.2 volt batteries at 2 Amp hr for £8.00.  But newer NiMh cells 7.2 volts at 3.6 Amp hr for £25!  You can buy 3 sets of the former cells for the price of the Nimh cells and have nearly twice as long on the water. There is an even better bargain with the 1.8 Amp hr batteries!   Your choice!
 A RC receiver with BEC will also save weight on receiver battery.
Hope this is of some help and regards to all Roy
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2007, 02:10:14 pm »

Hi all,

I never use gel cell batteries on high consumption models.
I'm not that technical, as I have said before, but as I understand it, gel cell batteries were not designed for quick discharge use. Which nicads and nims are. The other problem is the recharging times. Nicads etc can be quick re charged at the bank side. You can't do this with a gel cell battery. Also as mentionmed by roycv, lightness is all important, if you are not building down to a correct water line.
I would sooner have two five minute runs requirering a battery change, than a slower ten minuet run due to weight factors. I have just bought a second hand boat, fast electric type hull. I removed over one and a half pounds of silicone sealant from the hull which had been used to hold the servo and rudder tube in. Slight over kill me thinks.

Bob
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slewis

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Re: leccy stuff
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2007, 06:21:07 pm »

Some excellent advice there and much appreciated  :)

I notice that lightness is important judging by a couple of the replies so would it be worthwhile investing in Lipos' for the battery instead of the nicads or gel cells ?
I do have 2 or 3 of these from my other hobby so I wouldnt have to invest in new ones as they are a tad on the ££ side !

Thanks for all replies so far I have printed them out to read and re-read .

Shane
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2007, 06:26:37 pm »

Ref NiMH packs - I just took delivery of two 7.2 volt, 9 Ah, D-sized-cell packs from Component Shop. The total cost, including Tamiya connectors and postage, was £63. They will fast charge if you can find a charger with enough meat, but with that capacity I reckoned I could get enough sailing from two packs to keep me well happy of a Sunday morning.
I'm afraid I can't advise you on Lipo batteries as I know nothing about them at all, but I would go along with all advice about avoiding lead-acid gel cells for planing boats. The clue is in the word "lead"..................!
Suit yourself.
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slewis

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Re: leccy stuff
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2007, 07:19:48 pm »

Well I seem to of found the motor and  esc with bec and reversing included
Now to find a power source .
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MFA - Torpedo 850 Motor power pack 1115ESC
MFA Torpedo 850 6-12v motor power pack for large boats. Complete with Digital electronic speed controller with BEC and reverse (6-12v input, 30 amp continuous current)

Includes motor and mount, electronic speed controller, coupling, prop, fused wiring harness, servo linkage, and full suppression.


Typical current draw: 5.3 amps

I really must get down the shed and see what spec I have on my lipos . Failing that NiMhs' seem to be the way forward .
I usually get all my batteries from Overlander , if you have alternative suppliers please shout up  ;)

BTW I am NOT ordering anything untill I get the kit sometime this week .

Shane
 
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2007, 08:23:25 pm »

Shane,

MFAs own advert states that the 850 has a typical current draw of 11 amps at 12v with 9778 rpm.

The 800 has a typical current draw of 5.3 amps at 12v with 5167 rpm.

I have an 850 in my Sea Queen and I do use a SLA. I like the performance but I'm still playing about er experimenting with props.

Cheers

Doug
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2007, 08:46:36 am »

Hi Shane

I believe both shipmate60 and J.Beazley use lead acid batteries in their Robbe Schutze boats and they plane well plus they dont need any ballast.

Good place to obtain batteries is  http://www.component-shop.co.uk/html/batteries.html

Richard ;)
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slewis

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2007, 07:42:53 pm »

Thanks  thats a couple of you that have reccomended "component shop " to me so I now have it saved in my fav places .

Ta muchly

Shane
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