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[Arrow5]

Yes canals are good, the ability to scramble ashore in a couple of steps , a pub every few miles. Some places can be "bandit country" with louts throwing beer cans etc.

[offshore1987]

 ( including actual anti-invasion defences!)

I had to quote that 

If you would like todo this this at some point, i will come out and be your safety boat if you would like

[Arrow5]

Do what ? Cowes, the Solent ?  I fancy The English Channel on a fine day, then the Canal du Midi, then the Med, then.. then.. then such are dreams made of. Now if the Beeb needed ANOTHER canal trip  lets take a model boat through the Venice, Corinth, Suez, Panama Canals.....

[Colin Bishop]

Ah yes! The Corinth Canal with that wonderful bridge which lies at the bottom of the canal while ships pass and is then raised into position with a guy employed to sweep the fish back into the water!

Colin

[debssnal]

if you are planing on making your own model boat crossing its kinda steeling my thunder

plus i have my hover pass wich works and weekends so if we get to the other side and something goes wrong i can run back on hover and come back and forth

again any one intrested contact me thinking about it the bigger the numbers the safest it will be and if its big enough we could do it for a charity this could turn into a big thing if enough people are intrested but theres the problem mentioned it needs a lot of planing but pm me if intrested
This model would make the crossing take a look      http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=27895.0
regards
Alan

[triumphjon]

not quite sure how looking into making a crossing to tie in with an event that is happening on the island could be stealing kks thunder ? as he has now admitted that as oposed to crossing the solent hed like to try a run along portsmouth sea front ! in my book operating along the shoreline is lots different to crossing from one island to another !

[nhp651]

I have been watching these two posts with interest, and have come to the conclusion that you guys need a few pointers on the collection of monies from the general public.
haveing been secretary of Fleetwood's RNLI fund raising committee for a couple of years, some years ago it would seem to me that you might need some info on Protocol.

IF COLLECTING FOR THE RNLI you will firstly need to notify them of that collection or sponsored event.

They as a charity have to protect themselves legally in every way possible to prevent someone claiming against themselves in the event of an accident to the third person whilst collecting in their name, and as such you ALL have to sign indemnity clauses to state that you will not and cannot make such claims for property or injury INCLUDING  death whilst doing so!.

You will NOT be allowed to collect in public places and this is against the law of the land should you try......this is because all charities have to gain liscences to collect in a certain area, and usually councils will only allow ONE liscence per area per year...........just to give all charities an equal chance...there is no exeption, and should you be found collecting in public places, those councils could/will prosecute for begging and vagrancy.

You are only allowed to collect in private places such as inside shops( if they will allow)pubs , clubs and other private places which can be restricting depending on where you wish to do the event.


You first have to go via the RNLI headquarters in Poole who will emailyou a form to fill in with the indemnity clause and doo's and don't of the event and collecting, and then they will notify the regional office who will contact you with regards to official sponsor forms....you can't use your own on this matter, and then will ask if you want the help of the local RNLI, the RNLI womens Guild of the area and if they can supply you with official stickers and such.

IT ALL TAKES TIME I started organising this Loch Ness do last September for the officialdome of it.........so if you ARE SERIOUSLY PLANNING  such an event, then I suggest that you make good formativwe plans very soon and then submit to the RNLI...they won't grant you a liscence for official collecting on their behalf, if your trip isn't planned well with safety aspects in place AND if there is a risk to life and craft.

Just thought you might want to know about the pitfalls of collecting for the RNLI.
After all their job iss to save lives, NOT to put lives in dangeron their behalf.

[triumphjon]

thank you for your pointers , could be very useful . jon

[David Shaw]

I have to agree with Triumphjon, thanks for information. As later this year I hope to do an event and at the same time raise some money for the RNLI.
Thanks again
David

[ben hall]

time to make this post clear



hi have found there is intrest i am wanting to plan a crossing in july to september i have contacts in the navy and RNLI and other sources


ondepending on how many people want to do it i dont see the nedd to contact harbour master or qhm it will go frome portsmouth to priory bay or ryde marina wich is the shortest width i shall do it leaving portsmouth as the tide goas out as we are roughly in the middle it will be slack watter if it is lunch when we get there ondepending what time people are willing to get up then we could take a bbq to priory bay wich is a loverly sandy beech and go back to portsmouth as the tide comes in i will explane my logic   


in the morning we will time it so the tide is going out the tide goes out to sea so it will help us when we are on the way there and on the way back the tide will come in helping on are way back to portsmouth and at slack watter we will have lunch on a sunny sandy beech with kids and people wich we can go and say what we have already done at that we are going back and collect more money for RNLI
please share your views                                                                                                                 
                                                                                           kk

   

[ben hall]

not quite sure how looking into making a crossing to tie in with an event that is happening on the island could be stealing kks thunder ? as he has now admitted that as oposed to crossing the solent hed like to try a run along portsmouth sea front ! in my book operating along the shoreline is lots different to crossing from one island to another !

my idear with this is getting a smaller group or just me and some one else a long the sea front or acroos the estney harbour because jumping straght in and planing this could be a bit stupid with no experiance i will do this when the weather looks good or is fore casted good and this will give me a scope of what is envolved on a bigger scale crossing anyone is welcome for htis smaller event wich will lead to the big one if you are not sure how your model will perform take it along the seafront or more likely in estny harbour where as a sailer i know on a nice day it is almost lake flat and all you hve to look out for is a couple of dingheys i will get a good estimated date for this or if some one has a date in minde please say

[Double D]

time to make this post clear



hi have found there is intrest i am wanting to plan a crossing in july to september i have contacts in the navy and RNLI and other sources


ondepending on how many people want to do it i dont see the nedd to contact harbour master or qhm it will go frome portsmouth to priory bay or ryde marina wich is the shortest width i shall do it leaving portsmouth as the tide goas out as we are roughly in the middle it will be slack watter if it is lunch when we get there ondepending what time people are willing to get up then we could take a bbq to priory bay wich is a loverly sandy beech and go back to portsmouth as the tide comes in i will explane my logic   


in the morning we will time it so the tide is going out the tide goes out to sea so it will help us when we are on the way there and on the way back the tide will come in helping on are way back to portsmouth and at slack watter we will have lunch on a sunny sandy beech with kids and people wich we can go and say what we have already done at that we are going back and collect more money for RNLI
please share your views                                                                                                                 
                                                                                           kk

   

Look KK,

I don't know you, but judging from your post you don't seem to be very old.  I would advise you to take note of all of the advice that has been offered to you on this thread because it is a really dangerous thing that you are planning to do.  I'm not saying that it can't be done just that if you are seriously considering doing it then it has to be thought through and planned properly.

We all appreciate the good work that is done by the R.N.L.I. but if you go ahead with this crossing as you have described you'll probably end up using their services instead of raising money to help them.

[pugwash]

Hi Ben - I have to agree with the advice you have been given - you don't want to end up as another statistic on the RNLI database.
It takes more organisation than you would think to do one of these events and with the dreaded 'elf and safety brigade they would
probably put the block on you. I know those waters a little having done three sailing courses including my Yachtmasters in that area
and I still would consider myself a novice in the Solent.
I do not want to dmpen your enthusiasm but some serious research will have to be done before you attempt this idea AND you
need the proper type of boat for you to escort your model - Forget dinghies they are not big enough or stable enough
Sorry Ben its back to the drawing board  and become a Man with a Plan.

Geoff

[Colin Bishop]

Also, the tide doesn't go out or in within the Solent it goes roughly 'along'. So if you were heading for Ryde Marina you would actually be carried along the coast for several miles in either direction with nowhere to land. Also Ryde Marina completely dries out at low water and is too shallow for even a small boat for some time either side of it

The others are quite right, you need a lot more knowledge and practical experience before even thinking of attempting something like this.

The sea can be a dangerous place at anytime but the Solent has more hazards than most areas as it is the nautical equivalent of the M1. You wouldn't try skateboarding across a motorway would you?

Colin

[pugwash]

Colin, I didn't want to confuse Ben even more by mentioning the very strange tides in the Solent - I always hated
having to work out the tidal heights and directions for that area during theory lessons

Geoff

[Colin Bishop]

Geoff,

Yes, Ben seems to think that the tide moves in a north/south direction as the water comes up and down the beach which gives that impression. Actually Ben, this is just an effect of the water filling and emptying the Solent and it actually moves in a generally east/west direction although there are lots of local complicated effects caused by the various rivers and Southampton Water. At Eastney, you are very close to the entrance to Langstone Harbour, I was there last Saturday watching from the shore and the ebbing tide must have been a good 5 knots or so at the entrance.

If you time it right you can make good use of the tides. I used to pick up the first of the ebb off Chichester Harbour and ride it all the way down to Yarmouth. Going past Cowes, the speed over the ground was almost double the boat speed through the water, just like beiing on a magic carpet!

Colin

[ben hall]

Hi Ben - I have to agree with the advice you have been given - you don't want to end up as another statistic on the RNLI database.
It takes more organisation than you would think to do one of these events and with the dreaded 'elf and safety brigade they would
probably put the block on you. I know those waters a little having done three sailing courses including my Yachtmasters in that area
and I still would consider myself a novice in the Solent.
I do not want to dmpen your enthusiasm but some serious research will have to be done before you attempt this idea AND you
need the proper type of boat for you to escort your model - Forget dinghies they are not big enough or stable enough
Sorry Ben its back to the drawing board  and become a Man with a Plan.

Geoff

i never said anything about using a sailing digney all the boats i have suggested are glassfiber gel coat finish and very very very stable due to there width    basically what your saying is because i am young i cant plan this i do relise the way the tides go but what i mean is the funnel out of estney harbour if you went in wastle the tide was going out you would have no chance with a model i also have a lot of stats on my side wich mite prove to you that i am not jumping into it i have level four and master sailing i have level 4 and mastery off shore power boats and did yhats master through sea cadets

[nhp651]

The sea can be a dangerous place at anytime but the Solent has more hazards than most areas as it is the nautical equivalent of the M1. You wouldn't try skateboarding across a motorway would you?

Colin

eeeerrrrrrhhh!!!!?????.........perhaps he's daft enough to try, Colin.........kids of that age think they are invincible.

Just remember KK that it costs the RNLI a minimum of £5000.00p for every SINGLE launch, and that doesn't count the cost of launching a SAR helicopter to search for your DEAD  BODY???

[tigertiger]

KK

As was pointed out, you have been given a lot of very good advice. The advice was given to aid you, not to put you down.

It would be foolhardy to ignore this advice.

[The long Build]

Also no offence intended but would officials listen to anyone under 18 ?.

I would love to see Arrows Carrier cross the channel.. 

[offshore1987]

Tbf i find this random ( as have been stated )

Lanstone habour on a big spring is a 6/7 knot tide   Along the seafront you can reach a good 4 knot tide  

Dont forget just because people have paperwork you can still mess it all up, as i found when i worked for a sailing school and charter comp. Daily i asked what kelogs box they won there yacht masters from...

I have offered a real safey boat that has been dismissed so good luck with it  

[ben hall]

thank you very much   as mentiond i have the paper work to say i have done this but in hinde site it isnt what you have done it is how much experiance you have doing it it is NOT  a task that can be taken lightly i know will not try and do anything with this but maby when im a lot older like you guys (no offence ment ) then i might try it as i also hope that if some one else thinks about doing this they will come accrsoss myne and jhones posts to help them i am sure in the right hands this could work one thing my dad taught me since before i was born (my mum still went out on the boat when i was in her tummey) that if you you respect the sea and all its power then the sea will respect you, if you think that getting on contact with people and posting on mayhem like i did, and still going a head with it you are the living dead


                                                                                         KK

ps: i hope i got this message across the way i ment it to and that it did not offend any one  KK

[bulldog1966]

well spoken krafykid  never a truer word spoken

[Circlip]

Just read a report in Model Maker October 1964, On July 1st. Phillip Connolly and Dave Lemin, both using Swordsmans powered by Merco 35s crossed the Solent using Orbit radio and a coctail of servos. Later, August 1st. Sqdn Ldr John Crampton using a Taplin Twin powered Sea Commander crossed in 25mins using 5oz of fuel. The radio in this case was an REP Sextone that he had removed from a model seaplane having just flown it across the solent.

  Regards   Ian

[ben hall]

thats intresting