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[regiment]

this is why the goverment wants the money  no had a wee drop of black whiskey

[fatcat123]

Simply disgusting.

I wont get started because i am liable to be prosecuted for my views. 

You know, the same thing happened when Ireland went bust. We get our fingers into pies we simply can't afford. Who on the lords holy earth is making such decisions about giving money away like that? My question is - would these countries who we give money to, give money back if the UK ever needed it? - NO!

I'm fed up of this country, infact i hate it. I'm sick of hearing the same stories on the news about how we are cutting this, that and the other, oh and giving away 100's of millions pounds to other countries.

I'm seriously thinking of going to austrailia - i should get in with my welding and ndt tickets etc. If that fails, Leiden in the netherlands will do. They keep themselves to themselves, why we do that.

naffed off Dan 

[Bryan Young]

Please don't ever, ever forget that it was the previous (Labour) administration that wilfully (to my mind almost treasonably) ran the country into so much debt that future generations will still be paying it off. For heavens sake, what sane and supposedly astute senior member of the Treasury would even contemplate leaving a memo for his successor saying "there's no money left"? And THEN after losing the General Election committing this country to forking out billions of £ towards bailing out countries within the Euro part that we aren't even a member of.
And then that same political party has the sheer nerve to say the whole mess was none of their doing!
At the same time (like now), the present bunch of PR men are now embroiled in at least 3 areas of conflict, but equate these responsibilities as more or less the same as cutting the benefits to the "work shy" members of our community. Something a bit skewhiff in thinking there.
But no matter what the "protestations", apparently all the so-called "cuts" in Public expenditure will only take us bake to the levels of spending that pertained in year 2007. So where's the beef? BY.

[dodgy geezer]

I wont get started because i am liable to be prosecuted for my views. 

I can remember the days when that statement would have seemed incredible. No matter what your views were, they were your own thoughts, and there could never be legislation against your holding them...

Alas, no longer.....    <:(

[pugwash]

yes and it wasn't all that long ago that one person and his placard could stand near the Palace of Westminster to make a small protest
- until freedom  loving Tony Blair declared it to be a potential hostile act for which you could be locked up

Geoff

[Circlip]

But don't foget, no matter what "Government" is in power, the Civil servants never change.

   Regards   Ian.

[brianB6]

No point in coming here mate.
We (The Government) do the same in other places. 
I am amazed  the Pakistan government has not bought the Ark?

[funtimefrankie]

Please don't ever, ever forget that it was the previous (Labour) administration that wilfully (to my mind almost treasonably) ran the country into so much debt

And if the Tories had been in charge at the time it would have been just the same, the banks would have had to be bailed out.
Don't ever. ever, forget that Labour was not running Portugal, Ireland Greece Itally etc that are worse off than us.
Don't be taken in but Tory lies that it would have been a land of milk and honey if only they were always in charge.............
Just look at the mess they are creating with the NHS

[pugwash]

The thing that really gets my goat is for 13 years in the House the Labour party blamed the Tories for the mess they
left.  How long will the Tories do the same - as long as they are in office I suppose.
No party will ever say "Im sorry we made a mistake and and should not have done it this way" I think the voters would
have a bit more respect for the government if they would  own up to their cockups. Just a bit of honesty would be
so refreshing instead of treating us all like idiots who will believe anything they say.

Geoff

[Shipmate60]

Of course the new Government tell lies.
Its just a pity that so many seem to be taken in by them so easily.
The reason that the previous Government did spend so much was to keep the economy afloat all forms of Quantitative Easing.
Why do you think that the quotes of the worst debt SINCE the Second World War.
Because the debt after THAT was a hell of a lot more.
Wasn't that the time that we as a country built roads, railways. houses, hospitals etc.
Isn't it better to keep people employed and paying taxes and keeping the economy afloat than paying them nothing except benefits to stay at home producing nothing.
So now we have the usual Tory attacks, deflate the economy, savage jobs even in the armed forces then wonder why consumer confidence has evaporated.
The economy is 60% dependent on retail sales now so how can the economy be "grown". It cant.
Exports up by 12%, from the lowest base in years, double nothing is still nothing.

Isn't it strange how so many people "forget" it was the Banks gambling for short term gain that caused this problem, but of course so many will always blame the Previous Government as that is what the "Papers Say" so it must be right.

This Govt can savage the Armed Forces and get involved in another conflict, absolute madness.



Bob

[BarryM]

Although a few countries were hit harder than the UK, many were able to ride out the recession without resorting to bailing out the banks or introducing drastic cuts. In the most part this was because they spent within their means, had adequate reserves and regulated the banks such that they could not overcommit.  None of the latter applied here.

Barry M

[pugwash]

Bpb I do agree with you but though it was the banks being reckless that caused a lot of our current problems the
worst mistake the previous government made was Gordon Brown relaxing all the regulations which allowed the banks to be so
venal and stupid. Before that we had a system in place which meant by law the bankers were restricted as to how much
of the banks assets could be risked - after the de-regulation it was like putting the donkeys in charge of the carrot patch -
a total free for all

Geoff

[Shipmate60]

Geoff,
No argument there but it was done with cross-party consent with the Tories complaining that it wasn't deregulated enough!!!
Funny how they have "selective" memory now.

Bob

[pugwash]

Yes Bob I think if my memory served me correctly  the only one who objected was Vince Cable and some
economists.  Very depressing subject so I am going flyfishing now to cheer me up. See you all this afternoon.
Geoff

[oldiron]

Bpb I do agree with you but though it was the banks being reckless that caused a lot of our current problems the
worst mistake the previous government made was Gordon Brown relaxing all the regulations which allowed the banks to be so
venal and stupid. Before that we had a system in place which meant by law the bankers were restricted as to how much
of the banks assets could be risked - after the de-regulation it was like putting the donkeys in charge of the carrot patch -
a total free for all

Geoff

  I quite agree. But don't forget, Britain banking regulations changed to follow the US model. The US won't change from that model. It got the world into trouble in 1929 and also with the recent collapse due to the lack of US regulations on its financial structure. Canada, that had always followed Britain's traditional conservancy in the banking process, stayed that course and fared better than most through this latest debacle. Our biggest down fall was , and still is, that the US is our biggest trading partner.
  Because the US is (was?) the biggest economy, they have the biggest effect on the world's economy. Their's burps and the rest of us suffer. That may change now that China and India are taking over the world production and economic  lead and leaving the US in the economic backwater as a gross consumer rather than a gross producer. However, what won't change is the US adopting regulatory control on their banks to ensure the chances of this happening again are severely limited.

John

[regiment]

blimy started something now  still the country will be ok for the next 3 weeks MPS ON HOLIDAY     

[BarryM]

Because its MPs can't reach agreement, Belgium has effectively had no government for six months or more and yet the trains still run and the lights remain on. What does that tell you?

Barry M

[polaris]

Simples..... the sooner Political Parties are taken out of Govt./the 'equation' the better. Bring Back Cromwell

[pugwash]

Forget money - Forget governments.  Go fishing and relax - catch a few fish - good company (Young brother)
weather is beautiful today.  Come back refreshed.

Geoff

[john s 2]

Looks like were bailing out Portugal. Ireland is not satisfied wants more money. Then Spain. The list is
never ending. Also india? Why it can afford a nuclear weapons programme. Keep working those of you who
still have a job. Pay more taxs. While mps have a nice holiday. John.

[polaris]

Dear Geoff, Know where you are coming from, but however no good burying ones head in the sand and hoping it will all blow over. It will not. The only way for change is to make change happen. B.

Dear John, Ireland is now paying the price for believing itself an important economy. Never was, is not, and never will be. Has indeed some minerals, agriculture a bit (but product treated with caution by many), and that's about it. If they have dug themselves a hole, then that's that... not our problem, and we should have nothing to do with it. As to Spain and other EU countries, they dug just the same hole and it's nothing to do with GB. As to India, as you say, if they can afford a nuclear programme they can afford to look after their people... if they are bothered to do so. Not a GB problem.

As to GB. I have no problem with paying more tax if the money is spent constructively WITHIN GB. Simples!....

Regards, Bernard

[Tutssy]

Instead of voting on the 'Referendum on the voting system for UK Parliamentary elections' on the 5th of next month, why don't we just have a vote of No Confidence & throw the lot out.

If the shipbuilding industry could have a workers co-operative years ago, can't we, the voters, do the same?


Regards  Al

[polaris]

Dear Al,

What you propose in your first Para. is a Revolution. This has actually worked very well in the 'Mid' East at the moment, and indeed, the GB Govt. and others are actively supporting such action/Rebels in one of those countries. So, no prob. one way and another... what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander and all that? Would come as a bit of a surprise to some if something nearer to home was to happen! - no chance on that score as the GB public are sadly far to apathetic and pathetic these days to ever consider such a thing... the only credence I will ever give the French is that they actually take action. GB public, well they are cowed and done for... no guts these days.

As to your last Para., been tried numerous times and in the majority of cases failed. Though there have been one or two exception cases where it has been highly successful - with the right people running them.

Regards, Bernard

[Shipmate60]

Its funny how all the Die Hard Tories suddenly went quiet, it wasn't a Labour government in Portugal, Ireland or Greece or even Spain, but they are in a far worse state than UK and didn't have the same exposure in banking that we did.

Bob

[Tutssy]

Hi Bernard.

Dear Al,

.............. Though there have been one or two exception cases where it has been highly successful - with the right people running them.

Regards, Bernard

I nominate Martin.  He does a blinding job with this forum.     

Regards  Al