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Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« on: August 14, 2011, 11:20:41 am »

Does anyone know if the there is a model of the Thames Steam Launch 'Alaska, in existence anywhere?
Pictures below.
I would like to find out as much as I can to maybe build this one at a later date. or build it in with a team of experts?
It's near to my heart as it moves about on the Thames and I lived in Windsor for 52 years before retiring to the sleepy countryside of Wiltshire.

This website will give a very good insight to her, Including pictures of our queen using it for swan upping.

http://www.thames-steamers.co.uk/

(Hope this isn't too long)

History
'Alaska' was built in 1883 at Bourne End by W. and J.S. Horsham and Co. probably as a private launch, although she was used exclusively by Horsham’s as a hire boat to take parties on day trips from Bourne End Wharf. She was subsequently purchased by Salter Brothers of Oxford in 1887. In 1888 Salters used 'Alaska' to inaugurate their famous Oxford to Kingston service. This trip took 2 days going down to Kingston and 3 days for the return leg to Oxford. Passengers stayed in boarding houses and hotels along the route and the fare for the trip, excluding accommodation was one pound ten shillings (£1.50). Up until WWII, 'Alaska' plied this route, gradually being relegated to shorter portions as more vessels were built to cope with demand. She was also used for parties and private functions much as she is today. At the outbreak of war the boat was sold to Jackson Brothers of Putney and served time as a guard boat but was then sold to Mears of Twickenham who used her for trips between Richmond and Teddington. Apparently the skipper during this period attempted to procure tips from the passengers by telling them that the boat had been to Dunkirk, which is completely untrue but probably had the desired effect! With her engine removed at Kingston, 'Alaska' was then 'poled' with a punt pole all the way up-river to Oxford. She was pressed into service as a Scout hut but the enterprising Boy Scouts chopped up the wooden superstructure and sold it as fire wood in order to raise funds for a new hut! When she was rediscovered in 1974 at Medley Boat Station in Oxford she was sat on the bottom, decked over with plywood and filled with concrete being used as a boarding pontoon for hire boats. 'Alaska' was brought down river wrapped in plastic sheeting with an outboard motor attached and then spent 12 years in Peter Freebody's boatyard at Hurley, being restored to her former glory. She was reunited with her original engine and fitted with a new boiler and finally relaunched in 1987.

With this history I think it deserves to be modeled. The owner said he has been approched a couple of time but has had no feed back.

Hope you can help

Alan


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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2011, 12:29:19 pm »

A very elegant boat. Are plans available?
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2011, 02:59:18 pm »

No there aren't plans available, although Freebody's did the rebuild of her so may have some drawings.

Greg
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2011, 03:14:53 pm »

How about a Windermere launch instead? ! maybe not...

not my model this one but it does have a steam engine...!

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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2011, 05:03:46 pm »

Thank you for your interest.
I am told by the owner that he does have a set of plans, they are A1 and need copying.
There may however be a set of A4 but he is in America at present and will look when he gets back.

Jb, Look at at "Resurrecting the Miranda"
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31123.0
I'm allready on it, but nice build.
cheers
Alan
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 12:05:04 am »

Thank you for your interest.
I am told by the owner that he does have a set of plans, they are A1 and need copying.
There may however be a set of A4 but he is in America at present and will look when he gets back.

Jb, Look at at "Resurrecting the Miranda"
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31123.0
I'm allready on it, but nice build.
cheers
Alan
The Miranda Plans for both the boat and engine are avaable from Model Boats
http://www.myhobbystore.co.uk/browser/114/steam-launches
Regards,
Gerald.
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2011, 11:27:07 am »

Hello Gerald
I think you are on the wrong track.
I'm already building Miranda and have all the plans and the modified ones that work. :-))
What I'm looking for is any information on the 'Alaska'
but thank you for your interest.

Alan
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2011, 12:04:36 pm »

If the plans drawn at A1 are accurate, they could be scanned at one of the copying houses as a PDF file and reprinted at whatever scale required.

  At first glance though, both the Miranda and Alaska show a distinct similarity and it wouldn't take much to graft Alaska's deckhouse assemblies onto Miranda's hull.

  Regards  Ian.
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2011, 12:09:27 pm »

here's a link to some info about Alaska, unless you have already seen it...

good thread this one, I've noticed the other thread now, :-))

JB.

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Alaska.html
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2011, 04:45:08 pm »

here's a link to some info about Alaska, unless you have already seen it...

good thread this one, I've noticed the other thread now, :-))

JB.

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Alaska.html

That is one superb Launch, they don't build them like that anymore, very few traditional boat buiders left
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2011, 06:46:18 pm »

If the plans drawn at A1 are accurate, they could be scanned at one of the copying houses as a PDF file and reprinted at whatever scale required.

  At first glance though, both the Miranda and Alaska show a distinct similarity and it wouldn't take much to graft Alaska's deckhouse assemblies onto Miranda's hull.

  Regards  Ian.

At first glance yes, in reality they bear no resemblance at all, both entirely different hull forms.

I'm not quite sure why you wouldn't want A1 drawings- there will be loads of detail on and you can always scale measurements.

One hull form that is very simalar is SL Branksome, and at almost near as damn it exactly 1/5 longer than Branksome you could easily scale drawings of Branksome (they are still around) to suit.

She is a fascinating boat all round- she was out of fashion when she was built, being carvel built of wood when most of her contemporaries were wrought iron or steel, and for her size a fairly impractical boat that sacrifices passenger space for good looks- as Mick says this simply wouldn't be built today.

I wish you the best of look and hope we see a model develop.

Greg
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2011, 08:23:53 pm »

Superb comments all
Ian (Circlip)- I had exactly the same thought as I'm building a hull for Miranda at present and though, every one has made Miranda I wonder if this hull would suit Alaska!!

JB - Yes I have seen them but thank you.

Mick (Patternmaker) - Yes I have seen them but thank you, your right Fancy it being full of concrete and on the bottom of the Thames as a jetty. Thank god some one saved it for us all to enjoy.

Ian (gondolier88) You certainly know your stuff Ian thats a great link to the SL Branksome. Do you work at the windermere-steamboat-museum? Looking at the picture in this link -
http://www.visitcumbria.com/amb/windermere-steamboat-museum.htm
There are a great many similarities. When you say the plans for for the SL Blanksome are still around do you mean that you have them or they can be found somewhere.?

Thanks again for your comments I'm thrilled at the interest.

I'm of to the Bristol Model Engineering and Hobbies Exhibition on Sunday hope to see a few boats.

Pic of 'Alaska' in dry dock.

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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2011, 09:06:43 pm »

Ian? :-))

Yes I currently do 1 day a week at the WSBM, working full time on SY Gondola. See attached image off the SBA's website for a good comparative profile view of Branksome.

I don't have access to any plans at the moment, however there were lots sold when the museum's shop was open, I would hazard that there are more than a few members on this forum who have, or know someone with, a copy of plans.

Greg %)
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2011, 09:12:24 pm »

Greg. It must be very satisfying working on these wonderful works of art, it must also be difficult to source
suitable timber to match for repairs.

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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2011, 09:22:15 pm »

Greg. It must be very satisfying working on these wonderful works of art, it must also be difficult to source
suitable timber to match for repairs.

Mick

Very very difficult indeed, we are starting very good working relationships with some native species woodland logging enterprises who are beginning to see beautiful curved oak branches as crooks and grown frames rather than firewood. We also managed to procure some slow grown Burma Teak that will become conservation suitable replacement carvel planking.

Greg
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Re: Is their a Model of 'Alaska' Steam Launch
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2011, 08:36:36 pm »

Well the deed is done I have put Miranda away and will start with Alaska.
At this point I would like to say a very big thank you to Greg (gondolier88)
He has taken it on board to help me out strait away and has sent me the outline of Alaska in Delftship.
His knowledge and expertise will be invaluable in the comming moths.
Starting to draw the stations now and will keep a set of plans.

Look out for the new thread.

Alan
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