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catengineman

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Re: Bourbon Dolphin Capsized?
« Reply #100 on: May 23, 2007, 08:53:57 pm »

I don't know what they pay those men on those ships but its not enough.

I dont know about now but 9 years ago it was NOT ENOUGH that's why I noe work inshore and on a dredger though that leaves something to think about

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Re: Bourbon Dolphin Capsized?
« Reply #101 on: May 24, 2007, 12:50:07 pm »

Fascinating thread :o
Really makes you think about what kind of operations happen in the North Sea on a daily basis.

I keep looking at BarryMs' post on "basic anchor-handling" and thinking "Bloody hell and he calls that "basic!" Imagine doing that in bad weather, it sounds terrifying- all that heavy noisy machinery, chains and wires that could snap, a heaving deck and a deadly environment.... I don't know what they pay those men on those ships but its not enough.

It's safer now than it was but still an unforgiving business that permits few mistakes without inflicting heavy penalties. It calls to mind the old saying about aviation - "There are old pilots and bold pilots but very few old, bold pilots".

I have never seen it but recall a description of a deck load of chain that got loose. It's sometimes the case for various reasons, that rig chain is flaked out on an anchor-handler's deck if the chain lockers are unavailable or too-small.  Thus imagine row after row of 3" or 4" chain, laid out, up and down the deck, covering perhaps 600 sq.m.  "At first all we heard was a slow 'tick - tick - tick' as the links started to move apart and knock against each other and one end went over the stern; very, very slowly this started to speed up 'tick/tick/tick'; then it became a buzz and then a roar as the whole lot thundered off the deck and overside."   On that occasion nobody was near but what would have happened if anybody was crossing the chain at the time to check the lashings? doesn't need much imagination.....

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Re: Bourbon Dolphin Capsized?
« Reply #102 on: May 24, 2007, 07:20:48 pm »

As an ex-seaman I would like to ask a question or two. Nothing controversial.
All trades have there own name for things, but can you explain what "shark-jaws" are, and a "J" hook? Imay know them by another name..but who knows. I think I have got the principle of the use of hydraulic "tow-pins"..but the idea of "inner" and "outer" has bemused me. Educate please.
As far as the character who suggested that ships should be "flat bottomed" is concerned I suggest that he goes and has a look at any modern vessel in a dry dock (or a graving dock) and he will find that ships are flat bottomed (give or take a foot or so....they are not the round hulled ships of yester-year).
Please keep this site going as it is genuinely interesting/educational on the one hand and shows how bigotted/ignorant some others can be.
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Re: Bourbon Dolphin Capsized?
« Reply #103 on: May 24, 2007, 08:29:27 pm »

Bryan,

"Shark Jaws" or "Karm Forks" - similar items for the same job of gripping chain or wire pennants. Imagine a large pair of pliers, with the gripping end able to be raised above deck level or retracted flush with it. The jaws are opened or closed remotely from the Bridge by hydraulics. Usually fitted for'd of the towing pins which in turn are for'd of the stern roller.

"J-hook" or "chain chaser" - just a very large steel hook like a crane hook abut 1.5m high which can be lowered to the seabed (or under a chain being worked by another vessel) and pulled until it hooks onto rig chain or wire and permits the latter to be lifted/supported. Sometimes a grapnel of similar size is used to find chain on the bottom and this has a fluke design which, once the chain is hooked, prevents it running through the grapnel.

"Towing pins"  - Just the same hydraulically raised/lowered pins that you'll find on any tug to limit transverse movement of a wire or chain. Sometimes, fitted in double sets (inner and outer) depending on the limit to be placed on transverse movement. Thus the inner set maybe twelve inches apart and the outer set maybe six feet apart.

"Stern roller" - large roller, free to turn, installed at the join of main deck and transom; the top of the roller just slightly proud of main deck level. These days extends almost the full beam at stern. Allows wires, anchors etc., to pass over stern without shredding the steelwork. ( They cut up wrecks with chains don't they.)

Does that help?

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Re: Bourbon Dolphin Capsized?
« Reply #104 on: May 24, 2007, 10:02:24 pm »


Yes and no. The "J" hook I can understand from my cable-ship days (somewhat surprised that such a "low-tech" bit of kit is still thought the best!), but I would really have to see these huge "pliers" in use to appreciate them.  Thanks for trying and I shall nod off tonight dreaming of hydraulic sharks. Ta. BY.
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Re: Bourbon Dolphin Capsized?
« Reply #106 on: May 25, 2007, 03:37:25 pm »


Have anyone read the preliminary report and witness statements on the Bourbon site.... not sure if it an appropriate word but 'fascinating!'.  :-\

http://bourbon-online.com/media/corporate/xs_9376_bourbon_offshore.pdf
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Re: Bourbon Dolphin Capsized?
« Reply #107 on: May 25, 2007, 05:23:29 pm »

"Grim" is another word.
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Re: Bourbon Dolphin Capsized?
« Reply #108 on: September 20, 2007, 09:28:43 pm »

Update in Ships Monthly October 2007. The insurers have decided against trying to raise the vessel which is lying at 1,100 metres in an area exposed to difficult wave, wind and current conditions which is considered to make salvage extremely difficult if not impossible. In the meantime the Norwegian Government has appointed a new Royal Commission to investigate the accident.
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