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Completely new to model boats
« on: August 14, 2012, 05:20:34 pm »

Ok, first off hello all.  I am completely new to the boat modelling scene and have just purchased my first kit to attempt to build as I am in search of a  bit of a challenge.

My first question is what kind of transmitter/receiver should I be purchasing or does it not really matter?  As this is my first time on this I really want to spend as little as possible for the whole setup as I don't know yet if it's something I'll be wanting to do forever and I keep seeing new 2.4ghz batted around but to me I don't really know which is going to  be the simplest to use so any advice there would be great.

Also if any of you are local and know a good place to pickup tools/supplies (epoxy, fine sandpaper etc) that would be grand.

Cheers, Ben.
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2012, 05:24:24 pm »

Well, you're a bit far from me but the best of luck, it's great fun when you get started...  :-))
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2012, 05:26:22 pm »

Thanks Mike :)  Any tips for radio gear?
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2012, 05:27:21 pm »

Ben. The best thing you can do is read the Forum. This will answer your questions about radio equipement.John.
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2012, 06:21:08 pm »

2.4 is the way to go, you can get a set for around £35.
Glues and sandpaper = Pound land/shop.

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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2012, 06:46:38 pm »

Grand I'll take a look at some of the popular 2.4 sets recommended on the forums.

Thanks
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2012, 07:14:51 pm »

Hi Ben, welcome to the forum. 2.4 is the best way as already said here. One of the best value for money radio's is the Planet t5 five channel radio.You can buy it from Cornwall Model Boats complete with RX 6 channel ( receiver) for about 45 pounds. Most of our members recommend it as a very good buy, & yes I have one too. Mick B. 
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2012, 07:15:52 pm »

welcome aboard  :-))
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 07:18:19 pm »

Hi again Ben, I think if you buy a subscription to Model Boats  Mag right now you will get the T5 transmitter for free, you will only need to buy the RX. Mick B.
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2012, 07:21:28 pm »

welcome aboard,go onto "howes model" website they will have most things to get you started.baloo
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2012, 07:53:57 pm »

Thanks all for the warm welcome and great suggestions. I'll take a look at them all right away :)  Hopefully my kit arrives soon so I can get started and see what all the fuss is about!

Ben
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2012, 08:48:31 pm »

Did you say what your kit is ?   If it looks a bit daunting try a Springer , cheap to build and good basic grounding before attempting a more complex boat.  See the Springer threads here on Mayhem.  Welcome to our little club  :-))
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2012, 09:14:17 pm »

The kit I have bought is a Fairey Marine Swordsman kit, which doesn't look too bad from the photos and I'm ensured by the seller that it comes with pretty comprehensive instructions, here's a photo of the kit you can all proceed to tell me how I've bought the wrong one now.

Just need to buy the rest of what I need now :)
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2012, 11:14:37 pm »


Those kits aren't too expensive so just look at it as a learning exercise. If it come out great, great!
 If not, keep it for scraps & spares!   ok2
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2012, 11:53:18 pm »

At least if it doesn't work I'll be able to use the others parts that I'll need to buy for the next project
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2012, 01:58:40 am »

welcome Ben, i noticed that your one of us younger elite few. I think out of 2,240 members theres about 10 regular active contributors to the forum still under 30 %).

No offence advanced lads, only joking :D
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2012, 03:26:58 am »

have you a link to the kit please  :-))
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2012, 10:26:34 am »

You asked about 'the rest'.

While building the boat you will need a propeller, prop-shaft and rudder. Here are a couple of big providers:

http://www.westbourne-model.co.uk/
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/

Alternatively, your local model shop will provide. You should go there anyway - there'll be lots of little things you need - glues, for instance...

You will also need a motor. You're probably thinking about electric? If so, you can have two types, brushed or brushless. There are discussions elsewhere on the site about the difference. You will also need batteries - again two types - Lipo or Ni-Mh. In general, if you want the boat to go faster, chose brushless and Lipo, but I'm sure a lot of other people will have something to say about that. Giant Shark are a good cheap brushless motor and Lipo supplier : http://www.giantshark.co.uk/brushless-motor-c-25.html


For the radio, you need to know that:

You only need a minimum 2-function radio for motor and rudder. A lot of pistol-grip car radios are 2-function, aircraft ones tend to be the box-shaped 4-function, up to about 10-function. The more functions, the more individual actions you can make happen. But you'll find 6-function and above getting more expensive. Two or four are quite cheap...

Radios come in different frequencies. You select these by buying a pair of crystals for Tx and Rx. You can't run two different models on the same frequency, so you usually need a selection of crystals. But see '2.4Ghz' below....

27Mhz was the original frequency - this can be used in the UK for cars, boats or aircraft. Toys also use it, so it may be a bit prone to interference...
35Mhz is allowed in the UK for aircraft only. Don't use this for cars of boats.
40Mhz is allowed in the UK for card and boats. Because this is quite a small market, 40Mhz sets tend to be a bit expensive. But second-hand ones might be available..

2.4Ghz is DIFFERENT! There is no need to pick a separate frequency - the set effectively does this for you, so you don't have to worry about interference from other models. In fact, 2.4Ghz is quite good at rejecting all forms of interference.  You can run cars, boats and planes on it in the UK. And because the market is large, the sets are often quite cheap. That's why everyone is advising you to use this frequency - many people are changing to it at the moment.
 
There are two common cheap 2.4Ghz sets which are used extensively, the Planet and the Radiolink. The Radiolink is incredibly cheap (£26), as it's sold by a low-cost Chinese kit importer. He is very open about the fact that he is a 'pile-em high, sell-em cheap' setup, so he provides very little support - you are expected to get this from the various forums. But his site is well worth browsing through - he has servos under £2, for instance.

Here is a link to the cheap radio - http://www.giantshark.co.uk/giantcod-24ghz-4channel-mode2-transmitter-p-403779.html This is a 'combo' - a transmitter and a receiver.

Finally you will need a servo to work the rudder (see the Giant Shark servo pages, or your local shop, and an Electronic Speed Control (ESC) to control your motor. There are two types, one for brushed motors and one for brushless, and you would usually buy the ESC at the same time as the motor, making sure it is the right size to take the motor power.

That's all for now....!!   %% %%
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2012, 10:43:59 am »

A rule of thumb I use when buying an ESC.... Always go for one with at least 20% more power handling than you think you need.  this is especially so when buying the "cheap" Escs from ebay and the like, as its a well known fact in RC circles that Chinese Amps are somewhat smaller than European Amps
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2012, 11:00:11 am »

Here's a link for you, it's to the mobile site as I not got access to my PC at the mo
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=140820240856

Now to read dodgy geezer's post :)
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2012, 01:21:59 pm »

What a great post Dodgy geezer!

I have picked up one of the Planet T5 sets and some adhesive for the kit assembly, just got to wait for it to arrive now and hassle the postman.  Would you say its safe enough to buy a battery, motor, speed control, prop and rudder/servo before I have everything else or should I wait until its all together to see what will fit?
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2012, 01:31:52 pm »

Here's a link for you, it's to the mobile site as I not got access to my PC at the mo
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=140820240856

Now to read dodgy geezer's post :)


Oh dear! I didn't think anyone was actually going to read it!!

Once you have got a fair idea of the bits you will need, it's probably a good idea to have a discussion about the way you want to go. You can pick a radio fairly happily on your own, but the choice of motor, ESC, propeller and batteries all influence each other to some extent.

1 - the size of the motor will determine how fast you can go.
2 - the size and type of batteries will also limit how fast you can go, and for how long
3 - the propeller size should be matched to the motor size for best efficiency. If you are using powerful motors and big batteries, the wrong propeller can even cause the motor to burn out...
4 - the ESC needs to be able to comfortably handle the power you have decided on by fitting the motor/batteries/propeller. You should work this out, and NEVER use an ESC which is too small. As someone above says - go 20% higher at a minimum. There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't go 100% or 200% higher. Cheap chinese ESCs can work - but the quality is often poor, and we have had some reports of ESCs burning out on less than 1/10th of their specified capability. In particular, there is a cheap nameless ESC in a black box with blue heat fins for which there are several horror stories. You typically buy cheap chinese if you know what you are doing and are prepared to work within the limitations. If you buy British you will pay more, but get reliable workmanship, advice and full support. A lot of people like this place:  http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/speed.php , of which I have only heard good reports....

I would get the motor/prop-shaft etc before you complete the boat, as you will need to set up the motor mount and glue the pro-shaft in during the build. Look at this build log to see what you are going to do: http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7668.0

It's probably best to start thinking about the motor first. Tell us if you would like a sedate potter, a sprightly little jaunt or a rocket, and I am sure lots of people will soon offer their recommendations.....


 
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Re: Completely new to model boats
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2012, 01:50:33 pm »

Looking over ebay - is the kit you have got a 16.5" Depron one?

If so, the seller's recommendation is for a 6volt speed 400 type motor, a 480 if you want to 'really fly'.  I assume he uses a 6v Ni-Mh pack.
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2012, 02:23:25 pm »

Yer it's the depron one, all I'm really looking for is something that will go at an interesting speed I guess, rather than just chugging around but I'm certainly not after a rocket :)  not yet anyway.

I'll have a look through the guide and see what motors look good and have a think about it, then buy the shiniest one.
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2012, 02:37:05 pm »

Wait a while, and someone will almost certainly produce a recommendation!

A 16.5" boat is quite small, and small boats are often harder to work on because there is less space and they are less tolerant of slight errors. I would think that a 30" boat would be a better size to start with...  But small has a number of advantages too. Do you have somewhere in mind to sail it?
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