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[offshore]

Seems odd to me that still certain individuals are trying to avoid the truth and insinuate the canoeist was to blame.Any powered vessel has to give way to unpowered vessels and slower,sail powered craft  not the other way around.Nigel had no reason to move out of the way that was there responsibility not his,by the sounds of it he didn't have time anyway,not that it made any difference because although the visibility was good according to what this guy just said the chaseboat crew saw nothing only a 5 ft model boat they were chasing  .
something is not right here if you ask me .
Mart
as for our friend of some 3 posts maybe you would like to make yourself known to everyone

Suggest you swat up on Col Regs and definition of "Power" !!

[offshore]

may be one of the original persons who totally denied the accident and was so intent in calling those who found "liars" and trying to discredit them to others on this and other forums



one thing is it will be intresting to see the report by the marine accident investigation branch.

I was unaware of anyone denying the accident seems you were actually there at the scene !!

[tmbc]

so there you go offshore you were unaware of people denying the accident !

well i may not have been there but within 20mins of that accident i had a phone call telling me all about it. which i thought was a windup, so i rang others who i knew were there and have links to the asso who told me nothing had happennd then 3 or so days later admitted there may have been an incident.

once we found facts out we were then slagged down on this forum and others as being trouble causes and liars

perhaps if the info were getting is so wrong you may care to enlighten us with your version of events. so we can compare that against what nigel has told us !

some of us care about our hobby and like ive explained to at least two committee members we now live in a society of litigation and prevention is better cure ! 

"but some just want to get back to the old ways that use to be !"

[tmbc]

hey think offshore getting a good post rate for a new member ! welcome aboard by the way

[martno1fan]

Suggest you swat up on Col Regs and definition of "Power" !!

Ill ask you again please reveal yourself so that we know who we are talking to,you seem to know a lot about this incident yet hide your identity for some bizzare reason.
Mart

[tmbc]

mart like the posts in the past a lot to say against what others have said but they dont like to incriminate themselves !


another thread that may be of interest

http://www.smallmotorhome.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=6296

[Netleyned]

If the case is in litigation, should the details of the incident be discussed on an open forum?

Ned

[NFMike]

Fee fi fo fum. That video would seem to be rather damning of the chase driver. But of course we don't know if it's pukka as its just a video of a model boat being escorted - somewhere.

Not sure but as its been judged in a criminal court I think it is probably open season now.

[tmbc]

Fee fi fo fum. That video would seem to be rather damning of the chase driver. But of course we don't know if it's pukka as its just a video of a model boat being escorted - somewhere.

Not sure but as its been judged in a criminal court I think it is probably open season now.

im sure the original will surface at some point !

[martno1fan]

I think most decent people just want to see the right thing done for Nigel,did anyone from OMRA contact him to say sory after the incident or since ?.
Mart

[tmbc]

No video's were actually played in court !!

following A conversation with nigel this morning he confirmed a video of the chase boat was played at the court !

 also hes commented on the "bad language" when the collision happend

this was also the first time nigel found out about this video.



 

[black magic racing]

I think most decent people just want to see the right thing done for Nigel,did anyone from OMRA contact him to say sory after the incident or since ?.
Mart

Im hoping that they did mate,and although they did organise the event they were not the driver of the boat,that said it was a very unfortunate accident one that may or may not have been avoided,we are all quick to judge others after things have happened,and stand on soap boxes with axes in our hands.i for one feel very sad that everybody has a bad opinion and know the damage this can do to all model boat societies,every year we are finding it harder to run our power boats on waters and to be honest as boats are getting quicker the risks are getting higher,i know its only a matter of time before another accident does happen despite all the risk assessments having been put in place.and this will be yesterdays news and wrapped round your fish and chips so to speak,my concern is to all model boat societies bad press to one is bad press to all regardless of what anyone may say.we are a dying breed with low attendances to all meetings.these are my own opinions and may or may not upset others,really i dont give a dam  we all have freedom of speech.

[Colin Bishop]

I think most decent people just want to see the right thing done for Nigel,did anyone from OMRA contact him to say sory after the incident or since ?.
Mart

While it might sound a bit callous, you have to be very careful indeed about saying anything to the other party as it could be construed as an admission of guilt and insurers take a very dim view of that. It's like car accidents. they tell you not to admit anything.

Colin

[tmbc]

hmmm seems offshore has 

hey offshore can you comment on the chase boat event that was meant to have taken place at weekend ?  oh and the previous one there seems to be no results listed for them !
 

[martno1fan]

Its all gone quiet now 

[Norseman]

Its all gone quiet now 

  and this thread was just shaping up nicely for Rocky 6 

Dave

[tmbc]

rocky 6  rofl i take it you aint followed old threads that were deleted etc 

[Netleyned]

Daves been away on a mission for Bernard.
Prospecting for a malteser mine at the bottom
of Straight Street  Valetta

Ned

[scoop]

rocky 6  rofl i take it you aint followed old threads that were deleted etc 

They ain't deleted mate, remember we all printed them off first for future reference 
ps Think I recognise Offshores style of writing.....hmmmmm  Come on guys surely you can have a guess 
Cheers
Scoop

[tmbc]

hey scoop
we could make a paperback book, may have more of a spine to it than niffty baby smells !  
could be a best seller  
hmmm what to call it thou ?

" a snotbag donkey and the whinging warlock  "  


 

[scoop]

hey scoop
we could make a paperback book, may have more of a spine to it than niffty baby smells !  
could be a best seller  
hmmm what to call it thou ?

" a snotbag donkey and the whinging warlock  "  


 
You're a very naughty buoy Mark  
Cheers
Scoop

[Norseman]

Daves been away on a mission for Bernard.

I am wetting myself laughing here - I'm just thinking of the instructions one would recieve from Bernard for a 'mission' 
No offence intended Bernard - laughing with you mate. 

Dave

[JKD]

In all the postings about the accident members of OMRA have kept saying we don't know what happened. On a forum Jim's R/C Boat Dock www.jrcbd.com in the topic "OMRA an accident waiting to happen" Mr Anthony Gilder stated that the kayaker Mr Nigel Hatton was OK. Now one year on and 6 operations later. Still needing medical care, Nigel is unfortunately not OK! After one operation Nigel suffered a collapsed lung and a blood clot.
Any one can ask the Harbour Master's office in Torquay for a copy of the report. It cannot be refused under the Freedom of Information Act. It will have to be redacted under the Data Protection Act. To hide personnel details won't it Mr Anthony McCarthy, Mr David McCarthy, Mr Robert McCarthy and Mr Paul Dyer ?
So if we don't know the the facts. Rather than keep saying that INFORM US!
"Offshore" we don't care what qualifications people on the chase boat have, so he got a gold star at primary school for running in the egg and spoon race. Also you stated on this forum at 02:42:40 PM on the 24/9/2012 that "No video's were actually played in court !!". Well I'm expecting any day now a copy of the video played in court. Being sent to me by someone who was at the court hearing. Where you ?
What matters is the accident, why it happened and what can and should be done to prevent another accident. SAFTY, SAFTY, SAFTY !
Why did the OOD Mr Tony Ellis not mention in the drivers meeting OMRA Rule 11.3. Then two sets of eye would be looking ahead, the chase boat pilot and the observer for the model boat driver. I would have thought an 18 foot red Kayak is an obstacle worth mentioning and avoiding, don't you ?
The race was on open water with other users. No safty marshalls patrolling the course. No cordoned off area, just a larger turn buoy and a start finish gate 3 to 4 mile apart. We all have a Duty of Care, model boater to model boater and model boater to the public.
Last years OMRA's Health and Safty was a straight copy the MPBA's one. MPBA have for many years banned running on Tidal and Coastal waters. So how can a policy only written for inland waters have any validity for OMRA's races in the sea ? On OMRA's web site last year it showed that the races at Penzance, that the Saturday was a Chase Boat Race and Sunday an Endurance Race. Why did the notice sent by them to the local council that the Saturday was a practise day and not a Chase Boat Race ? 

[scoop]

I think most decent people just want to see the right thing done for Nigel,did anyone from OMRA contact him to say sory after the incident or since ?.
Mart

Hi Mart
To date I believe no one has apologised to Nigel, seems like a case of stick yer head in a bucket of sand and it will all go away type attitude.
Still with the latest revellations it looks like it's all going to come out in the washing so to speak, not forgetting the private prosecution(s)

Lets hope you don't need too many more hospital visits Nigel, get well soon.

Regards
Scoop

[black magic racing]

[/quote]At one of the first ever BMPRS races at Willen Lake, one of the boats lost radio signal and had to be rescued from the public boating zone on the far side of the lake. It was a miracle that the windsurfers using the lake were not badly injured.
i remember that well,it wasnt wind surfers but people water skiing on the ski rope rail,took me ages to find the boat lol as i was in the rescue boat with some one else,we did have a nice day out though sight seeing on the lake,it was a mishap and as far as i am aware the only one that has happened, , kurt black magic racing