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1824 Lifeboat
« on: October 28, 2012, 07:48:47 am »

Hi a friend of mine is trying to build a model of the 1824 Appledore Lifeboat [Volunteer] built by William Plenty of Newbury and he would like to know
 
[1] If she was clinker.
[2] Did she have a small stern board like a Gig.
[3] Was the bottom sheathed in Cork.
 
Any help would be great.
 
Thanks John
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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2012, 09:13:52 am »

I dont know where you are,but  there should be plenty of lifeboat people on here that can give you some answers,meanwhile i will speak to some people to see if they have any info.baloo
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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2012, 10:11:20 am »

I think your best bet on this is to contact the official RNLI archivist ( I don't know his name these days, or Simon Stevens at the National Maritime museum..........there will probably be no contemporary photos of her, or even plans as such, and there were so many builders of such boats in those early years, especially  as the RNLI hadn't even been formed and the National Society for the Preservation of Life from Shipwreck at Sea was in it's total infancy being born that same year at the instigation of an appeal nationwide by Baronnet Sir William Hillary, only luck will be able to tell you.
If it was a private lifeboat as many were pre 1824, then you might try the local archives at Appledore for the best results and a trawl though their local paper archives, (probably now on micro film or such) will give you the answer
 
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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2012, 10:31:47 am »

I had a hunt around to see if I could find anything, and there's a set of drawings in 'Lifeboat, Design and Development' by Eric C. Fry, if you can get hold of a copy (it's long been out of print, but copies turn up on EBay quite often). I also found a description in 'Britains's Lifeboats, The Story of a Century of Heroic Service '  (Major A.J. Dawson, 1924)  :


"At the same time that it adopted Mr. Palmers design, the Institution also, after careful inquiry, took up the invention of his contemporary, Mr. Pellew Plenty, of Newbury, and established boats built to his design at such points as Skegness, Sizewell Gap, Woodbridge Haven, Studland, Portland, St. Mary's, Scilly, and Appledore. Having regard to the extremely modest dimensions of these Pellew Plenty boats - from 17 feet by 6 1/4 feet to 24 feet by 8 feet - the life saving records they achieved we're remarkable, one of them being the means of saving no fewer than sixty-seven lives, and another, fifty one.


Whilst admittedly excellent pulling boats, and popular among Life-boatmen, the craft of Mr. Pellew Plenty's design differed markedly from those of Shields type of boat, being described as approaching the wherry form, and having great fullness in the mid-ship section, with a long,vhollow floor, and upright stem and stern posts.


The dimensions given for these boats were: extreme length, 24 feet; keel, 23 feet; beam, 8 feet; depth, 2 3/4 feet; sheer of gunwale, 14 inches; rake of sternpost, 1 inch in a foot; straight keel and bilge pieces; 5 thwarts, 28 inches apart, 16 inches above deck, and 12 inches below the gunwale strake; pulling 8 double banked oars. Extra buoyancy was obtained for them by means of air-chambers along both sides for and aft, formed by a complete casing or inner boat of a triangular shape, extending down to the deck and coming to a feather edge at the gunwale. They were divided into twelve watertight compartments, each lined with gutta-percha; and their effective extra buoyancy was given at 82 cubic feet, or the equivalent of 2 1/8 tons. No ballast was used; and the internal capacity for holding water up to thwart level was 48 cubic feet, which is the equivalent to 1 1/3 tons. There were six scuppers, each of 2 inches diameter, for freeing these boats of water. In addition, the upper plank on each side was left out, fore and aft, so that, the inner boat being shallow, and of triangular shape, much of the wat shipped would roll out of its own accord when the boat was in motion in a seaway. There was no special provision for self-righting. Layers of cork 4 1/2 inches thick were cemented along the boat's bottom from stem to stern. The rig supplied was one lug-sail. The draught, with 30 men on board,  was 16 inches; weight 19 cwt., or, with gear, 24 cwt. these boats were seaworthy and handy, and did excellent service; but the method by which they were expected to free themselves of shipped water left a good deal to be desired."


I'll have a nose about in the Lifeboat archive later, and see if there's anything more in there.


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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2012, 11:00:27 am »

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I think your best bet on this is to contact the official RNLI archivist ( I don't know his name these days,


I can mail the Heritage dept at the depot tomorrow to find out who that might be, if you like (I know them quite well, as they're effectively our bosses at Chatham).


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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2012, 02:20:41 pm »

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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2012, 12:48:30 am »

Hi Lance if you could contact them that would be great. My friend who is building this boat lives in Appledore and was a crew member at Appledore in the past and is trying to build all the boats Appledore had in 1/32scale.
 
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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2012, 09:21:17 am »

Lance.........the only problem with the Pellew - Plenty boat was, that it was designed for the 1851 Duke of Northumberland's competition to design an unsinkable, self righting boat, and this was 27 years further down the line of the boat he presumably built for Appledore..........a lot of design and development by these guys, Greathead, and such went into those boats.........I doubt that the 1824 boat would have any relative appearance to one designed specifically for a competition 27 years later.
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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2012, 11:10:53 am »

Ah - I didn't realize that it was talking about the competition boats.




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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2012, 11:16:27 am »

There is this :


http://www.amazon.co.uk/William-Plentys-life-boats-1817-29/dp/0905033000


I've never seen one, and gawd knows if you could get hold of a copy.




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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2012, 12:57:17 pm »

Lance, my eyes lit up when I saw the heading..............was just about to press the buy button when I read on..........currently not available........booo hooo!! <:( <:( <:( <:( <:(
 
I would think that the 1824 boat was basically a clinker built rowing boat that the fishermen used........possibly with a few flotation boxes in the bilges......and possibly one of their own boats, modified, but nothing special................I reckon that  it might have looked a little like the Zetland now on show at Redcar..........I don't think it would have been "lifeboat" fashion, as 1824 was the first year of ANY confirmed organised lifeboat service at all.
 
this is the earliest know photo of a lifeboat........the Formby lifeboat, reputedly to be the first ever lifeboat station..........and it looks, although very grainey and the boat dates from 1817  just like any normal rowing boat.
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Re: 1824 Lifeboat
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2012, 01:08:40 pm »

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currently not available........booo hooo!!




I've asked if Poole have a copy, as I think they have the majority of Grahame Farr's archives.




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