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soldering iron
« on: March 08, 2013, 09:01:36 pm »

Hi all
Not having much luck with trying to solder capacitor and flying leads to my motor  :(( . I think that the iron is well past its sell buy date, so have decided to treat myself to a new one ( the old one was a 25W) does any one have any thoughts as to what would be a good size to op for (don't want to do any damage to the motor). Also what are these gun type and are they better ???
Thanks in advance

Kind regards Tony
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2013, 09:14:26 pm »


The  Gun  type is a bit savage for delicate soldering so I would go for an ordinary one around 50 watts.  These are temperature controlled anyway so they can be left on when in their stand.

This will solder your capacitor lugs to the terminal OK but will not solder direct to the motor case as the heat will disappear.


Hope this helps

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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2013, 09:30:52 pm »

I have always found the gun type to be worse than useless, as you have to keep turning the thing off when soldering because of the electronics in it, giving it only a short cycle of soldering every minute........or they burn out ( or so it says in the instructions).
 
I resolved that by buying two irons ( well three really) one at 100 watt, one at 60 watt  ( for constructive brass work) and the third as an after thought for small electrical work at 25watt..they are as cheap as chips these days.
 
Also.whilst on the topic of soldering........I was given some soldering paste the other day, and not having used it before......has anyone got any tips on best way to use it and what flux to use......I normally use Bakers paste when soft soldering........or does the solder paste have flux mixed in to it.
 
no name on the bottle sorry so have no idea as to who's solder paste it ie.
 
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2013, 09:37:48 pm »

I have been using one of these for electrical work for the last few years -

http://www.maplin.co.uk/50w-solder-station-35016

with these tips -

http://www.maplin.co.uk/n78ar-additional-solder-tips-615511

HTH

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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2013, 10:06:34 pm »

how much you looking at spending. As for around 50 - 60 quid you can get the digital variable temperature station from maplins. this is what i am thinking about getting.


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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2013, 10:10:21 pm »

Ken I have allways been able to solder succesfully to a Motor can....All I do is to dremel the outer can to get rid of the ocating....use my 100 watt soldering iron tin the area and solder.
 
 
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2013, 06:37:09 am »

This is my one.... had it 20 odd years





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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2013, 07:36:44 am »

giod old weller irons. last for ever. would have one but hold there money to well for my usage needs
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2013, 07:44:09 am »

Ken I have allways been able to solder succesfully to a Motor can....All I do is to dremel the outer can to get rid of the ocating....use my 100 watt soldering iron tin the area and solder.
 
 
Dave


I do the same - no problems at all O0


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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2013, 10:19:25 am »

 have a 50 watt  24 volt weller that I had  for 40 years, best there is .Ray. >>:-( >>:-( 
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2013, 11:03:09 am »

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Also.whilst on the topic of soldering........I was given some soldering paste the other day, and not having used it before......has anyone got any tips on best way to use it and what flux to use......I normally use Bakers paste when soft soldering........or does the solder paste have flux mixed in to it.
 
no name on the bottle sorry so have no idea as to who's solder paste it ie.
 
neil.
Normally solder paste is powdered solder mixed with flux to make it into paste.  Almost magical when soldering bits of brass - paint the area to be soldered and apply the iron to tin, hold the bits together, reheat to melt, allow to cool, done, and almost none where its not wanted.


For fine work I much prefer a really hot iron with the right size tip for the job to maximise heat transfer into the join.  This allows me to get in, solder up, and get out before the heat has a chance to melt the surroundings.  My present favourite is a small gas iron that was one of maplin's bargains, but it needs care because of the red hot exhaust gas.  Bad joints and destroyed surroundings are usually caused by an inadequate iron.  Typical of what I mean is insulation melting back up wire and insulating tag mounts deforming as the joint is persistently heated to a point between the melting points of plastic and solder.
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2013, 11:37:20 am »

I struggled a bit getting to grips with soldering until I got one of these:
 
http://www.maplin.co.uk/60w-professional-lcd-solder-station-with-esd-protection-511927
 
Little on the expensive side, though got mine on fleabay for £45, but not looked back since - oh and of course gallons of flux.
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2013, 11:46:16 am »

I mostly use a small 12w very fine point iron for most small stuff, but have a 100W heat gun type for soldering to motor casings / battery tags to cells etc.
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2013, 12:09:20 pm »

Hi, Horses for courses regarding soldering irons, although I have a wide selection of irons my main one is the weller 100/150 watt gun type, excellent for fabrication and as one member has already stated, in and out and the job is done. Used them for years, no problems as yet as long as you keep the nuts tight. Nemesis
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2013, 01:49:19 pm »

Tony

The important thing to bear in mind is thermal mass. For work where the heat from the iron is going to be dissipated rapidly (as in a motor casing) then the bit needs to be sufficiently “chunky” to provide an adequate reservoir. If there is insufficient heat to melt the solder (or it takes a very long time) then the inside of the motor will get a roasting. For a chunky bit, a higher wattage is required, as advocated by Stavros, Peter and several others.

When dealing with electronic components, a thermostatted iron is best and a smaller bit required to avoid damaging other components in the vicinity.

Another important factor is the coating of the bit. In the olden days (I am very old!), bits were of plain copper and the solder etched this away surprisingly quickly. The picture below shows my 120watt un-thermostatted Weller which had a shiny plating when new. It gets very hot and after relatively little use the tip is being eaten into. (But it does solder capacitors onto a motor casing in about two seconds flat!) On the other hand, the lower iron in the picture is my 25watt thermostatted iron, which has an iron coated tip, shows no sign of pitting after at least 25 years of use.



Hope this helps.

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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2013, 02:21:34 pm »

giod old weller irons. last for ever. would have one but hold there money to well for my usage needs


It works well but the tips are getting harder and harder to find
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2013, 07:02:13 pm »

Anyone remember Henley Irons,I still use mine and still have a spare copper bit.Very reliable
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2013, 10:18:13 pm »

Thank you all for your replies they were all helpful   :-)) :-))
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Re: soldering iron
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2013, 04:27:58 am »

I have two Weller guns 100/140 watts.One has had a rough life & not too good The new one is brilliant but you have to be quick with everything set up before you pull the trigger. I have also got a 20/40 watt soldering station & a butane self contained iron as well, but the butane one is not so easy to use but VERY hot. Mick B...
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2013, 08:37:44 am »

It works well but the tips are getting harder and harder to find
There are one or two Weller tips here..... 8)
http://uk.farnell.com/soldering-iron-tips-nozzles
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