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Martin (Admin)

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Hull for Single or Twin props?
« on: March 20, 2013, 08:41:29 pm »


In general terms, what differentiates a twin propeller hull design to a single prop hull?

Yes I realize that it all depends on what in the mind of the designer, but in his (her!) mind, what considerations
must he make to the hull design that differentiates a twin prop design to a single prop layout?
( Not thinking of the internal engine arrangements, just the external hull shape etc. )

Take old steam tug hull:
 a single prop layout will have a single prop shaft.... obviously, the propeller and the rudder all in line, what
 considerations would be needed to convert it to twin shafts if for some reason that was deemed necessary?

I can think of a couple of kits that could be built both single and twin shaft, the caldercraft Imara, the Billling Samson,
the Huntsman and  a few of the Graupner river cruisers.

.... just thinking out loud.....  :-)
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Re: Single or twin Hull?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2013, 07:58:34 am »

Possibly easier to manouvre with two props and rudders especially in reverse.   Mr. Actionman?
Cheaper motors but x2?  :embarrassed:
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Re: Single or twin Hull?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2013, 08:35:11 am »

Hi all, possibly if the designer wanted more power then two engines side by side might make better use of the available space in the hull.  Also like aircraft there is an additional margin of safety. 

From a modelling point of view I have acquired an Admirals barge which has a single prop as per the model plan.
The prototype has 2 props and I have been considering changing the model to two props.  I will have to create to "stronger" areas either side of the keel to accommodate the tubes and motors.  But as far as I can see the prototype has just one rudder and I am wondering about directional control.  I have a mixer on a Tx and can use this but this ties me to one TX.

Interesting question though.

I wonder if Jim Pottinger can comment?
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Re: Single or twin Hull?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2013, 11:57:42 am »

The actual shape of the hull may not be all that different whether you have a single or twin prop set-up. As long as there's clearance room for the props, that is. But the chances are that a twin prop set-up will use smaller props that when only a single is fitted. Also be careful not to let the props "overhang" the hull. It would still work ok, but the chances of damaging a prop are much greater.
As for handling. Both my cable ships (I sailed in both) had twin screws and a single rudder and both handle well in both real and model guise."Bluebird of Chelsea" has twin screws and twin rudders. Handles even better! Twin screws with either single or twin rudders handle better than a single prop....mainly because you can use the tansverse thrust of the props to advantage when berthing or manoeuvring in confined or crowded spaces.
I'm a bit curious about the Admirals Barge with twin screws. If the real one had deisel engines then OK, but Stapletons book on steam pinances makes no mention of twin screwd steam boats. That could be because of my memory! But looking plans etc. for the steamers I wouldn't have thought that the engine/boiler room space was big enough to hold 2 steam engines. Cheers. BY.
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Re: Single or twin Hull?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2013, 04:38:50 pm »

Hello Bryan, the Admirals Barge  I referred to is the 45 foot non steam one not dissimilar to the old Royal Barge.
It was a plan from Model Maker in 1952 but a week or so ago I came across some plans of ships boats for sale on ebay and it was quite plainly twin screwed.
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Re: Single or twin Hull?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2013, 06:41:43 pm »


In general terms, what differentiates a twin propeller hull design to a single prop hull?...

.... just thinking out loud.....  :-)


Weight reduction and the invention of entabulated transmissions. Twin and triple screw arrangements began as a result of scientific developments leading hydro-dynamacists and fluid engineers to experiment with the recommend homogenised relative alignment.
With further contemporary reimagining of their incremental concepts, they were able to integrate transitional options to exploit four-dimensional contingencies with functional reciprocal hardware.

See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvLQ1SKboVM

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Re: Hull for Single or Twin props?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2013, 08:03:59 pm »

Yeah well!!!!!  It did take me nearly 20 seconds though to recognise BS!
Good one Andy
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Re: Hull for Single or Twin props?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2013, 09:13:56 pm »

Yeah well!!!!!  It did take me nearly 20 seconds though to recognise BS!
Good one Andy
Roy

What BS. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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Re: Hull for Single or Twin props?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2013, 09:19:49 pm »

Thanks Andy.....we love it....but can they be converted into left hand drive for use in OZ?   {-) {-) {-)  ....Derek
 
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