Topic: Now my garage is prepared, this is my plan.... (Read 11446 times)

dave parker · « **on:** January 06, 2016, 01:13:03 pm »

So, as can be seen on my previous post I have finally gotten my garage to a point where I can work and I have decided upon my first boats....

Originally I was going to get the Assurance Class Tug from Model Slipway but decided I had better start small (and cheaper), with a view to making a better Tug once I gain some experience.

Therefor, my order of builds are going to be....

1 Vosper Corvette from Model Marine International October 2009.
http://gb.trapletshop.com/vosper-corvette

2 Pilot Boat from Model Marine International January 2011.
http://gb.trapletshop.com/copy-of-pilot-boat

3 Assurance Class Tug from Model Slipway
http://www.modelslipway.com/

I also feel the urge to build a Springer Tug but ideally would like instructions/plans...

I feel that this plan will let me in gently with some easy-ish woodwork and fabrication, right through to more complicated details and opportunity to learn how to solder, and more complicated electronics etc.

what do you all think? Good plan?

bfgstew · « **Reply #1 on:** January 06, 2016, 01:50:42 pm »

Do what you feel you can build, by all means start off with a simple build and gain experience then progress. Or you can jump straight in the deep end, like me!!!!!!!!!

Norseman · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2016, 03:33:14 pm »

The Springer will be fun and quick - maybe first?

Dave

Norman Castle · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2016, 03:34:59 pm »

Speaking as somebody who built his first model boat less than six months ago, I'd suggest building yourself a Springer first. It's a straighforward build that gives you good practice at all kinds of useful doings, you get to meddle with a motor, servo, ESC and so forth, and there's loads of handy hints on here.

Nothing about it's critical, it's a quick build, it's relatively cheap to make and best of all it's enormous fun to sail

dave parker · « **Reply #4 on:** January 06, 2016, 03:56:52 pm »

The negative for me for the Springer is that I would have to size and workout the electronics ie which props/tube, which speed controller, which motor etc

The other choices have that specified or recommended for me so I can be confident I am fitting the right items

If someone could point me towards a plan with recommended ancillaries that would be great!!!!

Norman Castle · « **Reply #5 on:** January 07, 2016, 07:58:50 am »

Quote from: dave parker on January 06, 2016, 03:56:52 pm

The negative for me for the Springer is that I would have to size and workout the electronics ie which props/tube, which speed controller, which motor etc

The other choices have that specified or recommended for me so I can be confident I am fitting the right items

Dave, if you can wade through the first half dozen pages of this thread you'll see that I felt exactly the same way just four months ago, but I ended up with a first-ever model boat that looks halfway-decent and sails very well indeed.

FWIW, mine has this motor in it driving a 40mm 3-blade prop via one of these propshafts. Battery's a 7.4v LiPo and the ESC is an Mtroniks Tio Marine 15.

craggle · « **Reply #6 on:** January 07, 2016, 08:42:55 am »

My first model boat build was a Model Slipway Envoy tug which is more or less the same as your Assurance class choice.

I found it a very easy build really as pretty much everything you need is in the kit, good build instructions and a fibreglass hull so no planking or cutting of frames before you can begin. Only extras you need are electronics and a motor but plenty been built before so easy to find what works. I used the model slipway suggested motor and it runs great.

It may look a complicated kit but it's very well made and very satisfying to build.

Craig.

dave parker · « **Reply #7 on:** January 07, 2016, 10:13:08 am »

Norman, have read your thread right through, it was an inspiration and I now feel maybe a springer will be first build....simple, and can have so many variances....

Craggle, your boat looks amazing, if I can get my slipway build anywhere near that standard I will be very pleased

Umi_Ryuzuki · « **Reply #8 on:** January 07, 2016, 08:02:47 pm »

Springers are built like this...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12453789&postcount=3

Original Seattle club plans are here:
http://www.shipmodelers.com/technical-library.html
Layout plans by Ken Riley:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16889789&postcount=8282

Just keep in mind, Left side, right side, front, back, bottom, and you are practically done.

ballastanksian · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2016, 08:29:02 pm »

I was going to reccomend Norman's thread but he has got there and helped first! He has even built one for his wife now, so maybe if you are married, your wife might like one?

Regards kits, though they are a great way to start a project that requires no shopping list (and there is a huge variety of them available), I think learning the basics on a simple model like a Springer or Motorflote provides you with the stepping stone to something more adventurous.

Also learning to read and interpret plans of such a vessel as a Springer will be of anormous help in the future, wether you kit or scratch build.

Regarding soldering, cleanliness is the key.

I look forward to seeing your first build log

dave parker · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2016, 08:53:06 pm »

Well all I can say is thankyou

This forum is fantastic

If I ever doubted if model boating is for me, iam now 100% sure

I have been getting giddy thinking about it

I have decided my first build WILL be a springer, and I cannot wait

When I try to work out where to get my ply from, what exactly should I be looking for? 6mm? thinner? marine ply or not?

Does it have to have a certain number of "plys" ?

Thanks in advance!

ballastanksian · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2016, 09:15:10 pm »

I recomend Norman's build log as he mentions 6mm ply bought from a reputable timber yard as opposed to a DIY centre, and I assume he used 3mm for the curved belly. Have a good read of his and other member's topics concerning Springers and I reckon you will be 'genned' up in an evening.

Norman Castle · « **Reply #12 on:** January 08, 2016, 07:40:44 am »

Ref the ply, my limited experience so far has been that ordinary 6mm ply from a timber yard is certainly usable for the sides and ends of a Springer hull, but it's a bit rough and ready compared to the stuff from the local model shop. It is half the price or less per square foot, though!

The bottoms of mine are 1/16" ply from the model shop, but for The Lady Wife's mini-Springer and the full-size one on the bench now, the sides and ends are 3mm LitePly. And tbh the main reason they're LitePly is that LitePly is the only stuff in the local shop in 2ft x 1ft sheets that isn't warped!

I do get a feeling that mine are built a bit lighter than many, but as we're not going to be playing water dodgems with ours (at least not intentionally) I simply make sure that the sides/bottom joins are all reinforced with a continuous fillet of epoxy. Personally, I wouldn't want to be using anything thicker than 1/16th for the bottom, 'cos it's a doddle to use providing you cut it the right way round.

dave parker · « **Reply #13 on:** January 08, 2016, 11:48:00 am »

Excellent, will go out mooching this weekend to see what I can find!!!!

PS yes I am married but it appears this is my hobby only

ballastanksian · « **Reply #14 on:** January 08, 2016, 12:29:24 pm »

I bet that is what Norman thought to begin with!

Norman Castle · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2016, 12:48:30 pm »

Quote from: ballastanksian on January 08, 2016, 12:29:24 pm

I bet that is what Norman thought to begin with!

Oh, didn't I just ...

dave parker · « **Reply #16 on:** January 08, 2016, 04:08:16 pm »

This might be a daft question, and I reckon I know the answer but...

I have been looking on line over a brew, at 6mm plywood.

There is softwood, hardwood and marine ply available at different places.

What's difference and which am I looking for?

Norman Castle · « **Reply #17 on:** January 08, 2016, 04:32:12 pm »

I'm sure the answer will be provided shortly by someone better able than me to do so, but AFAIC what matters more is what your local timber yard has got in 6mm and whether or not they're prepared to flog you less than a full sheet at a price per sq ft that isn't outrageous. I still remember getting to the checkout of the local Homebase last year with a 3ft x 2ft sheet of really awful 6mm ply and being astonished to find that they had the cheek to want nigh on £20 for it!

The bloke who ended up putting it back on the rack reckoned that's why their ply isn't priced on the shelf edge ...

PS If it helps you to know, a 2ft x 1ft sheet of very good quality 6mm ply is around £6 in the local model shop, but unfortunately they've only got the warped ones left until new stock comes in.

Tug-Kenny RIP · « **Reply #18 on:** January 08, 2016, 04:47:52 pm »

I build mine from 3mm plywood from B&Q stores. They supply a sheet around 4 x 3 for around £16 and will do up to 10 or more cuts for free.

You have to go through the stock to find the best clean surface suitable for model making. Don't forget to check 'Both' sides as the back can be not as good. You will find a good one amongst the batch eventually. Choose the widest part of the Springer for them to cut it for you with nice straight edges.

I've found 3mm is quite strong enough when glued into shape and any bigger would be a waste of time. It is easy to bend with a hot air gun and clamp overnight. You should be able to stand on it when built, or throw it into the lake, like our member 'UMI'.

All the best,

ken

dave parker · « **Reply #19 on:** January 08, 2016, 06:14:50 pm »

That's great, I think it will be a case of using what I have access to....

bfgstew · « **Reply #20 on:** January 08, 2016, 06:22:16 pm »

I use a company called SLEC, all sorts of wood for the modeller, prices are reasonable and so far not had a bad piece from them.

Netleyned · « **Reply #21 on:** January 08, 2016, 06:26:31 pm »

Do you advocate 3mm for the sides, bow and stern, Ken?
Or for deck and curvy bottom ?
I used 6 mm for the sides and ends.

Local timber merchants have offcut bins at greatly reduced prices
Even our BnQ have an offcut bin with useable sizes for about 20 to 50 p a throw.
Ned

dave parker · « **Reply #22 on:** January 08, 2016, 07:20:15 pm »

How about these, would they be suitable?

http://www.slecuk.com/balsa-wood/3.2mm-x-300-x-1525mm-Birch-Ply-Cross-Grain-PWS301.html#SID=233

http://www.slecuk.com/balsa-wood/6.0mm-300-x-1525mm-Birch-Ply-Cross-Grain-PWS601.html#SID=233

bfgstew · « **Reply #23 on:** January 08, 2016, 07:30:43 pm »

Should be good and you'll have plenty left over, big plus, cheap as chips.

dave parker · « **Reply #24 on:** January 08, 2016, 07:38:21 pm »

Fantastic

Worth doing a larger order so only pay postage once

I am planning a good few builds, and i dare say will make some mistakes so spare is good!!!

Thanks bfgstew

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