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HS93 (RIP)

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C N C Help please
« on: August 25, 2007, 05:34:17 am »

I am trying to get in to CNC milling I have a small mill and some steppers but need a bit of advice on the best way to start , any help would be appreciated  Peter
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Re: C N C Help please
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2007, 09:32:22 am »

Peter,

When I was at Harrogate, there was a company selling kits to make cnc mills etc. The web address is www.routoutcnc.com

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Re: C N C Help please
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2007, 11:39:48 am »

CNCzone.com is a good place to start.  O0

It is a steep learning curve, which I am still on at the moment, having personally taken the plunge.

From the start, I would recommend you read as much as you can about various conversions. You then should decide whether you wish to use Stepper motors to control your machine, or servo motors (not the same as RC servos!), both have pros and cons. Next, you should decide how much you are prepared to DIY. If you are competent with electrics and/or electronics, you can save yourself some money by building control boards from PCB's and or kits, constructing your own PSU's etc.

I chose to use servos, and have built three servo control boards called the UHU servo. These cost about £100 for three kits and can control very large machines if required. I purchased three Electrocraft servo motors off ebay for £60 which came with the necessary encoders, and I am using EMC2, a linux based CNC controller. The latter is free to doanload at linuxcnc.org, and has modest hardware requirements- I'm using an old Compaq Pentium III 733Mhz with 512Mb RAM, 10GB harddrive and an old Geforce 2MX graphics card, cost nix as it is all salvage. I'm using an old 12" LCD monitor which I found thrown out in a skip- which works great at 800x400. That system runs EMC2 very well indeed, you can run it on more modest requirements, but I wouldn't recommend going for less than a Pentium II machine, which can be picked up for beans these days anyway.

If you must remain with Windoze, then Mach III is a popular application. However you will need a better machine to run this program, probably 1.5GHZ or higher,

At present I am planning my motor power supply, then I need to get my mill and fit the motors which will use tooth belt drives. I expect the full conversion to cost about £300 plus the cost of the mill, and that is doing all the work myself.

If I had used stepper motors, the cost would have been less, possibly nearer £200, but servos do give better performance IMO.

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Re: C N C Help please
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2007, 02:48:57 pm »

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Yep I'm a member of CNCzone.com and Compucutters and have been looking around for some time I have some steppers already and only want to do basic cutting and routing of wood/plastic/ brass /alloys with my small X1 mill I have plenty of BIG power supply's and a couple of spare quite good PCs  I have been around computers for a long time I remember the us kits for what would become PCs this is the type of set up I'm going for http://www.compucutters.com/index.htm  its the first time setting up and thebits that people who have been doing it for some time take for granted that I would like to be able to talk to someone about, Ive seen them at the shows and they say it all  simple but its putting the information together .

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Re: C N C Help please
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2007, 05:22:52 pm »

Can you be a bit more specific about what you want to know?

Do you want to know how to put a decent PC together for CNC. Or is it the peripheral board for the motor control that has you confused?

Andy

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Re: C N C Help please
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2007, 07:52:36 pm »

If you need cutting tools contact
 HB Tools (www.Hbtools.co.uk) in Burscough
It might be me that delivers them :)
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Re: C N C Help please
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2007, 06:41:37 pm »

Peter,

When I was at Harrogate, there was a company selling kits to make cnc mills etc. The web address is www.routoutcnc.com

Marc

OK. I am as thick as a plank....but what does CNC stand for? I get the idea that it is something to do with computer controlled mills/ lathes.
Please start from scratch as I could get interested if it makes batch making easier. Ta. BY.
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Re: C N C Help please
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2007, 08:57:05 pm »

Computer Numerical Control
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Re: C N C Help please
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2007, 10:26:22 pm »

I have attached a site for how CNC stuff works has it nicely
simplified

http://www.technologystudent.com/cam/camex.htm

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2007, 11:29:53 pm »

Can you be a bit more specific about what you want to know?

Do you want to know how to put a decent PC together for CNC. Or is it the peripheral board for the motor control that has you confused?

Andy



Theres no problems putting PC together I have been doing it since the birth of PCs when you had to be able to solder and Bill Gates was still prob in his garage and Ive got a spare 3Gb pc spare , the type of questions are about the likes of power supply , they seem to vary from old PCs supply's to massive units fill of caps and massive toroids and from 12v to 36 and higher for the same steppers and on steppers drivers I keep seeing Geckodrives advertised and they seem cheep compaired to the likes of the self Assembly ones from computercutters these are the questions i need to find out about before I go any further.
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2007, 03:50:18 pm »

I understand now.

Have a look at this link-

http://www.campbelldesigns.com/how-to-build-a-power-supply.php

I'm figuring this out myself- the requirements are rather different for servo motors than steppers.

I would most definitely go for a linear based supply, as I find in practice these are more rugged.  They are heavy and expensive in comparison to switchmode, but if you DIY, the cost should be under £30 for a small machine, and the weight is a non issue as far as I'm concerned.

Rapid online do a nice range of toroidal transformers which should suit most requirements and their prices are very fair.

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Re: C N C Help please
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2007, 04:31:24 pm »

Thanks for that Ill have a look at that and will prob get back for more info as time goes on  Peter
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