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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2008, 11:59:13 pm »

Hey Cliff and everyone else who reads this forum,

I have researched these important points you have raised and here is our response.

I am a little concerned about the comparison made between our engine, the Heron, to a MaxII. I have included a picture I found of a MaxII online and have posted it here along with a picture of our Heron.
I do not see the similarities.

In addition to the cosmetic differences, the MaxII is a piston valve engine with a valve operated by a lever for changing the direction of the way steam flows inside the engine, from intake to exhaust, causing the engine to reverse. Yes piston valve engines are cheaper to produce because they need fewer parts, however once you wear out a piston valve you're in trouble.

The Heron is a slide valve engine, which uses a Stephenson link to change valve timing events causing the engine to reverse.

Slide valve engines do not suffer from these problems. However, they do cost more to produce because the number of parts required increases. Plus, the look of an Stephenson link is more attractive to watch while the engine is operating.

An important point you have brought up is that our water pump does share a similar appearance to the one used on the MaxII's, but this is as close as they get. The reason for this is simple. The water pump is turned on a lathe first to essentially the shape of a bell. Then the sides of it are milled away giving you the shape you see. This shape is not unique to any manufacturer. The basic shape of the pump body has been used for centuries for similar pumps and this is the reason we use it as well.  If any one would like, I can post a photo's showing old steam engines using pumps shaped such as the one on the Heron.

On to the boiler comparison.

Our Belmont Vertical Boiler utilizes water storage from the very bottom to almost the very top of the pressure vessel. After examining one of our local members Richmond boiler, this is not the case for it. The Richmond, although similar in height, only uses the top half of the boiler for storing water since the bottom half contains a large burner which is the diameter of the boiler. In my opinion this make sense since it is much easier and cheaper to produce this design. The thing that worries me about this design when compared (since you are comparing these two boilers) to our Belmont vertical is the key fact that the center of gravity is now much higher in a modelers boat. Whereas with our boiler the storage of water is almost twice that as well as the center of gravity is kept much lower. If someone wants to offer up a sacrificial Richmond boiler I will be more than happy to cut it in half as well as one of our Belmont Verticals to show that they are completely different, especially where it counts.

Similarities in sight glass fittings. What are we looking at? The ball shape?  I assure you our balls are bigger! O0

Now as far as the purchasing issue from overseas companies like ours if you are living in the U.K.

First and formally I think people should always support their local businesses. We wouldn't have nearly the problems we have today if this were practiced more often.

We are not trying to take business away from any U.K. manufacturers. This is precisely why we have been focusing the majority of our advertising in the U.S. market. Of course, we are happy to supply those outside the U.S. with not only our products, but the same level of help and support as with our domestic customers.

As far as prices go: It is my understanding that whether you buy in the U.K. or overseas items priced over a certain amount are all charged the 17.5% VAT. Given the current exchange rates between our countries you stand to purchase these items for over half of what they cost in the U.S.

Turn around times for products: One to Two weeks for everything if we don't currently have it on the shelf.

As always, we sincerely appreciate your feedback.

Best Regards,

Nick Monahan

 



 
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MONAHAN STEAM MODELS

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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2008, 01:09:59 am »

If you are talking about superheaters on these small engines, you might find you will run into problems lubricating the engines.
Superheaters expand the wet steam by raising the temperature, thus reducing the saturated steam. As you know, a displacement luber works on saturated steam. The temperature of the engine will be much higher because of the superheating, and as such will require more lube, but not being supplied because of less saturated steam. A vicious circle, and really the only way around it is to fit a mechanical luber, as they do on model locos for the reasons I have stated.
Superheating is really only a gimmick on engines this small, and as such the net gain is minimal, but I suppose it is another 'look what I've got on mine' boast factor. But it should be 'look what I have got on mine, and it is wearing out my engine twice as fast, so I will have to buy another one much sooner'

Pessimistic John

Hi John,

Too much super heating is a valid concern for most small engines.

We were just as concerned with this matter as you were.

Upon closer examination you will discover we use two displacement lubricators on our engine not only for additional oil storage but we have found it offers more cooling surface for steam to condense properly allowing correct lubrication to occur. We worked with a lubrication manufacturer here in the States to blend a steam oil to work with dryer steam as well as provide proper lubrication properties for the types of materials we use in our engines.

The advantages of running a super heater in these small steam plants is more useful for preventing excessive condensate and or hydraulic lock up of your steam engine during use.

Optimistic Nick
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2008, 02:29:44 pm »

Hello Nick, Cliff here in good ol' blighty.

It sounds as though you really have made inroads into developing exactly the products us mad steamers are looking for and still waiting for I might add.
The electronic control valve is a godsend and a must for most steam plant participants so hurry up and get it over here, if you want me to be your agent
let me know and I will clear a room ready for their arrival {-).
Forgive me for asking this, but just exactly what is the 'icing' you are waiting for on your plants?

I can't help but fail to notice the detail on your engines and your boiler, in that when looking at the build up of the components there is a very remarkable
likeness to another British Manufacturer of steam plants.
I had to look twice to make sure i was not making a mistake, in that the engine water pump, displacement Lubricator, and the general look all round has a
striking similarity to a MAX 11 steam engine of British manufacture.
Your new boiler could too almost be compared like for like with the same manufacturer. The first item I saw was the water gauge and well knock me for six
but are you buying his parts and putting them together in a different manner or what?
They do look the business, which is why I bought a boiler called the RICHMOND, and well it has a remarkable likeness don't you think?
I wonder if anyone else has possibly noticed the likeness?
It almost makes me wonder why I would want to buy overseas and import with the added cost of Shipping and Vat etc etc along with possible problems one
might incur and who will sort them out for me, when I can give a chap a ring
locally and really get what you are producing at a lower cost and possible quicker too, but that depends on how far, one is on, in the build process I suppose.

Keep up the good work and oh yeah put me down for one of those electronic thingy's ma-jiggz gadgets for my Lady Jane and Formidable kits. I have them
both but due to time and other commitments haven't started them yet, one day though they will touch the water of Yorkshire I am sure.

Keep us posted OK
Cheers




Rosythe I do think we should be very cautious about how our messages may be percieved by others and this one caught my attention as a particularly good example.  I am not sure why you would want to suggest that the Monahan products are in any way similar to the Hemmens items when it is very plain to see that they are quite differrent.

The engines are both a vertical in line twin cylinder engine but that is about as far as it goes.  Many other manufacturers also produce a similar layout engine so it could be equally suggested that the Hemmens Max II looks very similar to an Anton Engine or even a Hansen engine, both of which also produce vertical in line twin cyliner engines. 

As regards boilers, apart from the fact that they are both vertical, have the furnace at the bottom, an exhaust at the top and both share similar fittings, available from any one of a number of suppliers, the internal arrangement of the furnace and water spaces are significantly differrent.  Once again similar comparisons could be made with Cheddar vertical boilers and Maccsteam products both of which look similar at first glance.  In fact the Ribbersdale boiler is probably closer to those two examples than the Monahan unit is to the Hemmens boiler.

The concern I have is that a casual visitor to the forum, reading through this particular thread, may be under the impression that you are implying that the Monahan units have utilised some design elements incorporated in the Hemmens units and therefore may be accused of plagiarism.

I think in all fairness to Monahan you should quite clearly state whether this is indeed the case and if so I would suggest that you communicate directly with Monahan and not use this forum for such insinuations and if not then you should make it clear to all members that this was not your intention in a subsequent post.

I'm sure you don't want people to draw thier own conclusions from such suggestions and consequently question you own motives so I am certain that you would want to ensure that this is clarified.
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2008, 11:24:38 pm »

Its ROSYTH and all i said was how similar the products looked......LOOKED......LOOKED.

I did at no time go into the technicalities of the products at all, I commented on how they looked.
Then you replied and you also went into the technicalities, I didn't.

Something sounds fishy here!   ::)

I would also think that most folk can draw there own conclusion to this similarity without the need for anyone else
to point it out in a technical manner or otherwise.
I will also say that at no point did I give the impression that Nicks Items of Steam Production were copies of Mr.Hemmens,
again I need to stress this, I said they looked similar ok.

If I wanted to say what you iterate in your reply then I would have done so but in a private manner and not in or on
the forum. If Nick wishes to 'pm' me then again all he has to do is do it himself which he still has the opportunity to do
so following this thread posting.
I look forward to his companies new products being available over here, especially the boiler control valve unit thingy majiggy.

I trust this finalizes any issues on this or my postings, if not just PM me and take it up of forum and in a civil manner please.

Cheers
Cliff


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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2008, 12:03:51 am »

Hi Everyone,

Wow.....I think certain topics on this forum develop steam pressure more efficiently than our boilers! {-)

If this response is directed at me:

I would like to make clear to everyone reading this thread that we did not personally in any way take offense to Rosyth's post. Hence my reply was out of concern and purely pointed out the differences between our products in a civil manner.

As I stated in my post that I felt these were important points Rosyth brought up. As far a technicalities are concerned, You will notice I only answered the points of similarities brought up Rosyth .

So what are we implying sounds fishy? ???


If Nick wishes to 'pm' me then again all he has to do is do it himself which he still has the opportunity to do
so following this thread posting.
 

Again, I replied to your post myself. Any other responses you may have gotten after that are not my doing but I can agree with what was said.

Thank you but, I don't need to pm you Rosyth since I feel there is nothing to be said other than a sincere thank you for being interested in our products. That's all.

As always we really do sincerely appreciate all of your feedback, whether it is positive or negitive, but we will always answer it in a civil manner.

Best Regards,

Nick Monahan
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2008, 12:24:49 am »

As always, its a pleasure to see new products and inovation in the steam department so thank you for your contribution and putting
the record straight re 'LOOK' & 'TECHNICAL DETAILS'. O0

Now get going with those products especially the electronic gizmo {-)

I am also pleased that you did not take offence, as none in any shape or form was implied
or intended, cheers.

Keep them updates coming thick and fast Nick, we can't get enough of them.

Have a good week too.
Kind regards
Cliff
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2008, 12:51:30 am »

Thank you personally Rosyth,

I have a pretty thick skin. Not that it was needed!  O0

We will continually keep you all posted as to the release dates for our products. The Horizontals will be available at the beginning of this week and new pictures will be posted on our website.

On top of filling the current orders for the engines and boilers, we are working on about twelve more significant products that will be available over the next couple of months. These include some of the products I have already mentioned here on the forum as well a handful I haven't. I would like to keep these a surprise. So please don't ask what they are yet.

Our shop operates two shifts (which I have to be present for) almost always, seven days a week. So the good news is for everyone, that the delivery times for our products is very short.

When products do become available they are usually well stocked.

Best Regards,

Nick
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2008, 07:58:49 pm »

Your most welcome.

Have you anything on Glossy Paper for us to dribble over, ooppps sorry look at!

Cheers :)
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2008, 08:23:28 am »

Hi Everyone,

Our Belmont Horizontal boilers are now available!  8)
Pictures are up on our website.

Best Regards,

Nick
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2008, 09:07:26 am »

The Belmont Horizontal
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2008, 05:00:52 pm »

Hi Everyone,

The Vertical Steam Plants are now available.

Regards,

Nick
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2008, 05:12:03 pm »

That's a very nice looking plant there Nick.  Could you possibly put some additional pictures up of some of the detail?  Have you had one fitted to a boat yet?

A nice range of products coming together there.
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2008, 05:34:29 pm »

Thank you.

Here is a couple more views from our website.

We have fitted this steam plant into a steam launch that we already had the hull built.

This steam launch model is no where near finished though. I could take some photo's and post them if you like? Building the steam plants currently consumes all of our time, so not much time is left over for building models these days.

Our steam launch kit should be coming sometime this year. The Vertical Steam Plant will be a direct drop in installation with minor additional plumbing required.

Thanks Again,

Nick

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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2010, 10:47:07 am »

Hi
Does anybody know what happened to Monahan Models? Website seems to be closed since a while.
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2010, 01:39:47 pm »

Sadly Nick had to close down for economic reasons.

  Regards  Ian.
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Re: New engine available from Monahan Steam Models Inc.
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2010, 09:53:09 am »

Sadly Nick had to close down for economic reasons.

  Regards  Ian.

 <:( that's realy a shame!
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