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[redpmg]

Busy drawing up all parts for laser cutting  with lift off superstructure in two sizes  for Chris  & myself  -  Chris obtained the original plan & had it scanned  - Circlip did his usual magic trick (that's the plan he (Ian) posted on RC groups that Harry has simply resized and posted on this & other MB sites )
 
 Was going to remaster the original but it does not seem worthwhile - there appear to be too many jumping on the bandwagon !
 
 Would rather produce the same hull with thinner keel & other mods as the original was designed for IC power................

[Stuw]

I’m just interested in the original version but hopefully haven’t upset anyone with this interest! Not trying to steal anyone’s thunder. Just a Lesro fan who would like to keep the models alive (when I can more devote time to it).


Will back away from the bandwagon carefully. 

[zooma]

.................. hopefully haven’t upset anyone with this interest! Not trying to steal anyone’s thunder. Just a Lesro fan who would like to keep the models alive (when I can more devote time to it).

DITTO - Absolutely.........

[canabus]

Hi Stuw


I love you to keep on the bandwagon.
Always room for another Lesro fan .
I think it has taken months to track down a plan and thanks to Circlip he has come up trumps!!!
I bought a nice little half cabin cruiser for $50au, did not know what it was ??


But a few pics on the forum sites and I had a Nor-Star Waverider !!!


So it goes with my Sea Hornet, Swordsman(still building), 2 Huntsman and a Wavemaster.


Working on a Nor-Star Wave Princess at present.


I think I have the bug for old boats !!!


Harry

[zooma]

Its always nice to see more people either sharing their interest in classic model boat kits or getting involved for the first time.

Sharing information and helping each other to either restore, rescue, or even build replica's (of original size of not) is what helpful forum threads like this one are all about and it is good to see.

Lets hope we see a lot more "getting on the bandwagon" (a rather unfortunate phrase) and hope that no-one is being discouraged from using this freely available information that should benefit as many people as possible without restriction.

Stay with us Stuw - and use as much of the information seen here as you want to.  If it is shown on here then its available to everyone.

[ChrisF]

Harry

The drawing that Circlip posted is the exact same drawing that was shown on this thread originally (taken from the Model Boats forum) and is the exact same drawing that Will subsequently found a better copy of, so a drawing was available sometime ago before Circlip posted one on RC Groups.

Circlip cleaned up the drawing (the first one shown which I got scanned) by removing marks etc. and straightened out any distortion caused by printing, folding and age.

It contains no additional information! The two previous drawings could have been used just as easily to produce the bulkheads though it is of course nice to start with a more accurate drawing but not essential.

Chris

[Stuw]

Thanks all of you who have spent time and money sorting out all this helpful information.


It’s great that we are able to get it all together from far flung parts of the planet! This site helped me greatly during lockdown here in UK and I’m now a daily viewer. It’s much more positive and inspiring than the daily news!

[mrzippy]

Streaker/Javelin bulkheads, cabin side/ends & breasthook should be on attached pdf.Paul.

[ChrisF]

You certainly made use of your drawing skills there Paul.   

Proper job!

Chris

[mrzippy]

Hi Chris
Yes the old skills are handy occasionally and no ink involved this time !
sadly this was all I needed to draw back in the day - because we had the original drawing for side & plan elevations.
Granted the design is somewhat of a 'classic' -  but I think it's very slab sided (vertical for most of its length),
and could benefit from a few degrees of flare to the sides, now there's a challenge for someone !
Paul.

[ChrisF]

Yeah, but you've drawn the most important parts there. The others could easily be drawn with reference to your photographs. Just need Will to track down the kit plan now!

Funnily enough when looking at the Stiletto kit plan I initially thought that the hull sides had some angle to them as that was what it looked like from the small assembly drawings. But the plan shows the deck and chine stringers directly over each other from the bow rearwards,  so as you say slab sided. Not too bad though as the freeboard is not that great.

Would be easy enough to modify though I suppose you are moving away from the original design then. I'm already thinking of making some modifications to the "Stiletto" superstructure but I'm not being precious about it as at 30" long it is neither a Stiletto or a Rapier. Could always build two superstructures, one modified and one original? Some narrowing on plan towards the stern wouldn't go amiss either!

Chris

[Andy M]

Hi Chris
Yes the old skills are handy occasionally and no ink involved this time !
sadly this was all I needed to draw back in the day - because we had the original drawing for side & plan elevations.
Granted the design is somewhat of a 'classic' -  but I think it's very slab sided (vertical for most of its length),
and could benefit from a few degrees of flare to the sides, now there's a challenge for someone !
Paul.

I noticed on photos that Original sides looked almost vertical, I angled mine on the Javelin in at the bottom by 5mm, not much but bit less slabby.

[Andy M]

The 5mm is measured on widest area of side. Due to the slant, as the rear deck slopes down, it actually narrows a small amount towards the stern.
My 'Javelin' isnt really a Javelin, theres a good few differences, but I like them. Lol.

[madwelshman]

Andy, when I was attempting to draw some bulkheads from the Stiletto plan, I noticed how slab sided it was too, from about B3 back. 
With my current drawing and building skills, that doesn't bother me at present, but in the future, maybe a slight alteration, like you have done might be something that I will attempt as well, just out of curiosity as much as anything.


Will

[canabus]

HI All
I had a go at the bulkheads, but, from my mate said I made mistakes on the chine sections !!!


Well, it did remove the slab sides, so bottom of B3, 4 and 5 ended up the same with different cabin heights .


Harry

[zooma]

Since the original flurry of activity trying to find/make parts/plans/drawings to make a Stilletto for myself and Will (madwelshman) we have both located and bought used examples to recommission, so this project will terminate with a light restoration and recommission.

[ChrisF]

Can't believe how the years have flown by since this and other discussions! We and others used to post a lot in those days!

A good outcome though is that I used the drawings as the basis for my Scimitar water-jet project which I'm planning on making a start on later this year. The hull has been modified not only for the water-jet but to put some shape into it at the stern. And a completely new, modern superstructure.

If anyone wants to build a Stiletto/Rapier I have them drawn up including the bulkheads.

Chris

[zooma]

Hi Chris, I  still have your plans for the larger model variants based on the Stilleto from that time period, and I have every intention of making at least one of them when I start to spend some more time at home - probably this winter.


Not many of us contribute to this site these days as often as we used to because it’s old format can make it harder than it needs to be.


Uploading pictures is such a simple task on the alternative sites that seem to get most of the support these days and the size of the typing does not change itself either - both problems can be very frustrating.


Having said that, if/when this site is brought up to date, I would still choose to support it as I very much like the people that contribute to it and the huge amount of helpful references that it has over such a wide range of interest makes it a gold mine of information.


Stay in touch - Bob.

[Backerther]

A good outcome though is that I used the drawings as the basis for my Scimitar water-jet project which I'm planning on making a start on later this year. The hull has been modified not only for the water-jet but to put some shape into it at the stern. And a completely new, modern superstructure.

Chris

This project appears to be interesting, ambitious and promising to build, Chris.
I am looking forward to your each step leading to a successful sailing on the water.!  
In my case,I was a bit troubled by water soakage around the pump unit bases at high speed in my experimental project using a pla-model boat kit. However, final result was satisfactory.

Pic1; full throttle test      Attention to nearly liner line of cooling water and the same in pic2 on both sides


By the way, what is Scimitar water-jet??


Kiyo

[Martin (Admin)]

Scimitar [/color]water-jet??
 

This maybe? https://www.modelboats.co.uk/forums/topic/scimitar-34-water-jet-build-by-chris-fellows/

[ChrisF]

Thanks Martin, that is indeed the beast! I called it Scimitar as a nod to the Lesro models that inspired the design, namely Stiletto and Rapier.

As regards the models that Bob/Zooma mentions these were a result of a requirement of him and Will/MadWelshman wanting plans for the Stiletto or Rapier which then morphed into one sized midway between (about 34") and then with more modern superstructures and changes to the stern. It will be great to see you building one Bob.

I really like the hull and it was an easy choice to then adapt it for the water-jet project which will be my first non-Fairey build!

To be fair Bob the reduced posting isn't about the format of the site (though I do have to reduce image size to be able to post them) but as has been discussed before the reduction is mainly due to the age of members and the lack of new blood into the hobby which has resulted in reduced traffic on all model boat forums over the last few years. One that has been hit particularly hard is the Model Boats Magazine forum which also has ongoing issues with those using Android devices which makes it difficult for new and existing members to access it and if they can, like me, find that posts aren't updating. So I can only acees using my PC which I can't do when away from home. 

Chris

[zooma]

I really like the format of the Mayhem site, and if I could upload my own pictures as easily as I can on the other sites I would spend a lot more time on here.


Tony H has always been more than helpful by uploading lots of pictures for me on here that I have sent to him from my iMac, but I don’t want to continue to be a nuisance (even though he has never complained).


Hopefully something will change to make uploading pictures on Mayhem more easy for those of us that have iMacs, iPhones and iPads or I become a lot more tech-savvy and find the time and a method that I can use.


Stay safe,


Bob.

[tonyH]

Aw Shucks!