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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #100 on: December 18, 2022, 02:25:57 pm »

Cheers Roy. I've the same attitude as you about age and it's a fact of life that blokes tend to be children at heart. The sad fact is that it's the basics that have been lost. Your comment about kits over lockdown is spot on and if someone wants a model of Titanic, for example, and spends up to £1000 for a kit, they hope to end up with something decent but if they don't have the basics under their belts then they'd be better off buying the Lego monster and finishing it, especially if something goes awry. Again, lowest common modular denominator.With the knowledge on Mayhem in toto and no doubt on the Model Boats forum, would it not be feasible to make a start of trying to re-establish the basics of modelling successfully without falling into the trap that we're often guilty of and talking down to beginners?We've got O0 the masterclasses, how about a kindergarten?
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #101 on: December 18, 2022, 03:13:57 pm »

then they'd be better off buying the Lego monster and finishing it, especially if something goes awry. Again,


And a great Monster to have as well..


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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #102 on: December 18, 2022, 04:05:47 pm »


And a great Monster to have as well..
Can't disagree with that! :-))
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #103 on: December 18, 2022, 07:01:30 pm »

I have always felt the Titanic was a bit of unlucky ship but each to his own!
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #104 on: December 31, 2022, 04:38:25 pm »


Christmas has been taking up a lot of my time of late, but I did want to return to this topic.

Comments seem to be spread between those who believe that nothing can be done, and those who believe that something should be done - though no one is sure just what might be possible or useful.

For those who believe that nothing can be done, I suggest that they consider how best to preserve information about the hobby for future generations. Plans, manuals, memorabilia, reminiscences and anecdotes are all things which are worth preserving in some way. Model Boats runs a very useful 'Flotsam and Jetsam' series which is ideal for that - I am sure that it would welcome more input.

In the 'something can be done' camp there is some feeling that the representative bodies for the hobby are rather inward looking. If we want to attract more people to the hobby we need to look outside - at people who have no exposure to it, rather than people who already attend model boating events - this was Phil Parker's point.

ChrisF also made the point about the increasing lack of suitable water - without some weight behind the request it is hard to argue with local councils when suitable sites are converted to nature reserves...

Several people spoke about about the decrease in manual skills in schools, and I think that there is a change beginning in the education field. Quite why the country needs 50% of its young people to have academic university degrees escapes me, and I see that there are growing numbers of vocational trainming establishments such as St Edmunds in Norwich - these should be much more responsive to participating in manual hobbies such as ours - but again an individual has less weight than a body representing a larger number of modellers...

One of the things my web site was set up to do was to provide resources for just such activity. As I said earlier, I am now moving more into the area of providing both CNC cutting files and 3-D printing files, to enable educational establishments (and those of us who have appropriately equipped workshops!) to create comprehensive 'virtual kits' in an easy to make up format. It would be nice for such services to be part of a wider initiative rather than being individual instances...
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #105 on: January 01, 2023, 09:18:03 am »

I work long shifts that start at 3 am, moving to the mid morning to late on at night with a split of the 3 am's for a 2/3 rd's of the year, so time off is spent mostly sleeping now, model work has diminished (in fact come to a complete stop), I have never been able to set a drive train up efficiently, so this stalls most attempts at new boats when I was interested, it's why I started the HMS Victory's Airfix kits as it would not need a drive train and just sail, they are both sat in the loft awaiting a day when I have the mojo to take them out, so I cannot pass on any skills to my lads as they have their own interests.


One morning I was waiting to start my shift, and a BBC news channel article went on about the lock down and how Airfix had re engineered the spitfire with the 1/24th scale having enormous detail - how is this going to enthuse people to build models when shown at 2 am in the morning?.


My opinion is that this county needs to get it's youngsters to get into designing products and making them that makes Britain great again, make technology advances that push us above the likes of those in the east, become another semiconductor producer etc. but thats just me.


Have a very prosperous new year (even if it is a bit difficult at the moment)
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #106 on: January 01, 2023, 12:27:24 pm »

But the same film clips were  shown at least twice on the breakfast show. Problem facing ANY manufacturer in the UK are wages.


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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #107 on: January 01, 2023, 03:21:50 pm »



..... I have never been able to set a drive train up efficiently, so this stalls most attempts at new boats ......




Interesting.  One of my current EeZeBilts on the stocks was designed with just this sort of problem in mind.


I thought - "What are the most difficult aspects of making a traditional wood boat?", and came up with:


1 - getting the side skins to attach at the bow
2 - getting the drive train to line up


And so I designed a hull where these issues would not be a problem.  You can see from the pics below that the hull is an offshore power boat type - rather like the Surfury - where the side skins simply continue to a point at the front, and there is very little bending requirement at all.


The drive train issue was simply sorted - there is a keyed bulkhead which clips in at the correct angle for the propshaft - the motor is simply bolted to it and the bulkhead is then fixed in place automatically at the correct angle.


It's only been test run so far, and I might change the stern to a round one before going any further. It was designed to take standard 4 1/2 inch figures as an added attraction to juniors....
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #108 on: January 03, 2023, 11:24:53 am »

I think the future of model building has always been the same, get the kids interested early! I have quite a few great nephews and the eldest has already had a go at sailing one of my models and he handled her really well. He has shown an interest in building something and I’m on the lookout for a decent kit to follow up on. In the meantime I’ve just ordered a Hornby TT 120 set as I think this will interest all the great nephews and get them building.

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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #109 on: January 03, 2023, 03:25:20 pm »

In the meantime I’ve just ordered a Hornby TT 120 set as I think this will interest all the great nephews and get them building.

Never seen Hornby TT 120 before, looks great  :-))

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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #110 on: January 03, 2023, 08:58:24 pm »

Mark, have a look on Yesterday next Monday at 9pm Hornby a Model World, they are showing the new TT 120 and how it’s been developed.
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #111 on: January 04, 2023, 10:54:15 am »

TT or Table Top was used  years ago by one of Hornbys competitors - Trix?


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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #112 on: January 04, 2023, 11:47:58 am »

TT or Table Top was used  years ago by one of Hornbys competitors - Trix?


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Apparently the Hornby TT is similar to the old Triang gauge but has been scaled to "true" so is overall a bit more accurate. I like the idea of something that's accurate but easy enough to put away whilst not using it.
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #113 on: January 04, 2023, 01:37:12 pm »

Hi all TT is one tenth of an inch to the foot, which comes out as 2.54 mm to the foot.  TT means TableTop and is popular in central Europe according to Wikipedia.
It also scales to 15mm as the height of a human figure.
There used to be a 3mm to the foot scale from Triang Railways and there are still a few fans at this scale.
N gauge is to a smaller scale UK 1 : 148 and Japan 1 : 150 and elseware 1 : 160, all a bit too small for me as I have started using re-railers for OO gauge!
Then if you wish to dig deeper there are the track gauges and the several codes for the height of the rails.   Yeesh!  I am staying with the UK only scale of OO gauge i.e. 4mm to the foot but the track is to 3.5mm to the foot then there are the rail codes.
If you try to use really old stuff on code 80 rail you won't get past the points.

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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #114 on: January 09, 2023, 08:05:54 pm »

What tv channel is the Yesterday program on please, 9pm Hornby show.
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #115 on: January 09, 2023, 08:24:35 pm »

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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #116 on: January 09, 2023, 08:28:04 pm »

What tv channel is the Yesterday program on please, 9pm Hornby show.
Not sure if the scheduling is correct, the Freesat (channel 159) listing is currently saying the program started at 8pm but it's not on now, hopefully it'll start at 9pm
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #117 on: January 09, 2023, 08:48:35 pm »

Thank you. I'm hoping to catch this, either 27 or 159.!
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #118 on: January 09, 2023, 08:50:26 pm »

It not on tonight being rescheduled apparently- it might have something on the show they didn’t want to show ahead of the grand announcement from Airfix tomorrow for their new releases for 2023.
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #119 on: January 09, 2023, 08:59:06 pm »

It not on tonight being rescheduled apparently- it might have something on the show they didn’t want to show ahead of the grand announcement from Airfix tomorrow for their new releases for 2023.
Just checked myself and you’re right, it’s something about the Second World War and Pykecrete. A bit disappointed as I was looking forward to seeing a bit more detail of the TT120 sets. I went and checked the “Yesterday “ website and it’s been rescheduled to Thursday night.
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #120 on: January 09, 2023, 11:55:00 pm »

Hi all I watched the programme and it was all about the TT120 set.  When you eventually see it the parting shot is a bit of a con!  Look at the Flying Scotsman's wheels they are not rotating and then there is a jerky reation one rev and they stop again.
Hope the train sets are better.
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #121 on: January 10, 2023, 09:12:05 am »

All I can say is I couldn't find the channels mentioned, one channel said " back at 5am". It looks to me that Yesterday is not avail on free view, aerial  connection?
Is it internet dependant?
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #122 on: January 10, 2023, 09:32:47 am »

Hi I have Virgin 360.  So it was on at 08:30 but I was expecting 9.  I went back on the prog guide clicked it to view It then went to ITV Hub and picked up the programme.  An advantage doing this is the adverts are removed.
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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #123 on: January 10, 2023, 12:36:57 pm »

Liverbudgie2 is correct, Channel 27 on freeView. Have you done an auto 'Re-tune' recently? Shouldn't be T'internet dependant, thus 'Freeview'


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Re: Future of Model Boating
« Reply #124 on: January 10, 2023, 01:28:16 pm »

Excuse me for asking but -

What have the last 15 posts on this thread got to do with the 'Future of Model Boating' ?

Don't you just hate it when a thread gets hi-jacked off to another subject ?


OK, rant over, apologies to anyone offended by my reaction to the divergence.


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