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tassie48

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Stern mast needs Tobe operational
« on: January 16, 2023, 11:07:24 pm »

Hi Crew I am trying to work out just how too lift and lower the stern mast Wake light /stern light on A WW2 PCS model in 1/24 scale so I need the collective input to assist me  with this feature the mast is just 150 mm above deck it  lays flat fwd facing on the deck what I would like to do is have a servo or motor drive push pull ? The mast up down  to both rasied position and flat on deck in the lowered position I have  below deck  100 mm of depth , to utilize and plenty of room fwd so any and all ideas much appreciated tassie48


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Re: Stern mast needs Tobe operational
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2023, 02:50:39 pm »

Hi Gregg, how far from pivot to inside of transom?
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Re: Stern mast needs Tobe operational
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2023, 05:12:13 pm »

Looking thru NavSource photos of PCS's, there are few that do not show the stern light mast erected. There apppear to be two braces as well that angle aft to support the mast. Folded down the mast would lay between the DC racks, not a great place for it. I suspect, and I have NO evidence to back me up, the the mast may have broken at or above the supports. Then it could be stowed out of the way.All that said, it would be cool to have it be deployable. Without putting a pivot at deck level and extending the mast below deck, I am at a loss. Hydraulic cylinder or similar deck mounted push rod?
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Re: Stern mast needs Tobe operational
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2023, 07:39:25 pm »

TonyH hi buddy I have less than  30 mm from pivot point to the transom only so not a lot of room I was looking at an arm connected to the mast below deck then a push pull cable/wire to the servo to raise lower then using a plate under the deck with magnets to pull the two stay arms to brace the mast then pushes back to the base and the mast can lower again , this would look correct , I have been talking to a model earth moving modeler about a Hydraulic arm as well less space easy to control,  I have this system on the sub sonar device which will lower down and retract in the hull , when fully extended the Ram Sound system sub sonar Ping tells me its working via speakers. Akira I am looking at making it all Hydraulic system the idea of the two stay arms on magnets was an after thought , I plan to use magnets under the bridge so my captain can move around on the bridge , I have seen a large lifeboat model were the crew move around and borrowed that idea .Looking forward to the build lots of different things going on from flag signals up and down mast to the 3 inch fwd gun firing a water cannon , to the davit lifting turning and lowering a depth charge in the depth charge thrower , to doors opening and closing, and as all my models a crew member taking a leak over the side  signal light flashing a code , still trying to get the look out to raise his arm pointing to the enemy thanks for your input guys . tassie48
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Re: Stern mast needs Tobe operational
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2023, 08:07:35 pm »

Hi Gregg,  all I was thinking was that in order to go though the >45 degree angle between lying flat and the sternward lean of the raised staff, you'd need that 20-25mm of space if you went for even a simple lever system. Then all you'd need is for each support leg to be made in 2 parts, say 1mm rod and 1.2mm i/d tube which slide into each other.  %)
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Re: Stern mast needs Tobe operational
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2023, 11:56:41 am »

Okay, absent pictures of the real thing perhaps a bit of modelling license can come into play. If the base of the mast is made "L" shaped with the pivot point at the end of the "_" then the mast can lay flat on deck with the "L" bit in a trough. If the end in turn was fixed to a horizontal shaft then rotating that shaft would rotate the base of the mast and move it into the vertical position. If the trough is deep enough you may be able to link a servo directly to the horizontal shaft, if not maybe gear it or use a pivot point like a rudder connection.


Depending upon your transmitter set up you can adjust the speed of the servo and/.or use a servo slow device.


Hope this may assist.


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Re: Stern mast needs Tobe operational
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2023, 09:37:30 pm »

Geoff TonyH and Akira worked it out by shaping some KS brass bending different angles so now using a water proof grommet inside the deck frame keeping the tide out single servo with 45mm of throw lifts and lowers the mast a micro switch provides power for the light both on off  on going up off returning down to deck level, worked out the different angles being off center to the stern so yet another feature sorted out , still have room inside for linkages etc so to everyone many thanks, still going to use the Hydraulic ram to lower the sub sonar buoy below the hull , just need to work out the cam to get the 3 inch 50 cal barrel to lift and lower whilst turning to port and to stb barrel and pump works better than expected 9 to10 meters of throw soild stream of water via a set of reducers  again many thanks to all tassie48
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Re: Stern mast needs Tobe operational
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2023, 11:16:07 pm »

Tassie, Wonderful! I am happy that you worked it out. Post some pictures please!!!!!The only remaining question I have is,...what is the range on your sonar and can you direct the beam??? :} CheersJonathan
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Re: Stern mast needs Tobe operational
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2023, 02:07:34 am »

This is great :-)) ......awaiting to see a video in operation................some great & helpful minds here :P .... Derek
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Re: Stern mast needs Tobe operational
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2023, 12:12:43 pm »

Deferably need some pics SOONEST Gregg! Oh plus the videos later!!!!!! <*<
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