Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Model Boating => Topic started by: triumphjon on April 01, 2011, 09:32:25 pm
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following on from a post of has anybody made the crossing , WOULD ANYBODY be interested in making a crossing during august of this year ?
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Yes i would :)
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ive sent mail to the local harbour master , along with two of the clubs organising the classic event in august , hopefully we will know more by early next week !
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Sounds good :-))
I asked my mum about the event and shes doing the 1.3 worlds on the same date i think it is, so is not helpin to run the cows one ( kinda a shame lol )
Im guessin you have sent an email to QHM ( steve ) i know the QHM n will mention it to him when i see him next :-)
the only concern i have is the size of batterys we would need to make it from portsmouth to cows, ovb doing this on a fallin tide would be the best way to go because that will give us the best chance, and then crossin the shipin lane to southampton might prove intrestin and delay us if there is ship movement
would at a guess say we would probs av about 5/6 mph? Thats a real guess of the top of my head, i know are boats would go faster than that but if something gos wronge and we need to stop for anyreason that will cost us alot of time, i would think a few hours at least to get across, from ports to cows
dan
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yes an email has been sent to QHM to see if they will allow us to make a crossing , i think the saturday would be more interesting for us as the full sized powerboats are in the pits @ cowes awaiting the dash to torquay on the sunday ?
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It’s an interesting concept although I don’t think you can just say we will go on such and such a day as it is convenient. The tidal and weather conditions will largely dictate when and if you can make the crossing. There is up to 4 knots of tidal stream across Cowes entrance at Springs and you don’t want to be bashing against that!
Ideally you want to pick up the ebb off Portsmouth in the morning and ride it down to Cowes as it will then do most of the work for you. Where are you planning to start from? If inside the harbour on the Portsmouth side at say, Gunwharf, you will have to cross over to the Ballast beacon at Gosport (first requesting permission) before being able to exit the harbour on the western side and the narrow entrance can become quite congested and choppy as the locals will know.
Your actual route from there will be determined by looking at a tidal stream atlas but my inclination would be to head along the coast a bit towards Gilkicker and strike out directly for Cowes until you reach the main buoyed shipping channel. Cross this at right angles as soon as it is safe to proceed and then turn west again. At this point, if you have calculated it right, you may be able to throttle right back and let the tide carry you along under the protection of the Island shore for the last few miles at maybe 3 knots or so. A potential problem is that the prevailing wind is usually westerly which can kick up a nasty chop on a falling tide. Unless it has some north in it you should still be protected until you reach Cowes entrance when you will need to punch against the ebb to get in, presumably to one of the marinas. Like Portsmouth, Cowes entrance can be quite congested but in a small boat you should be able to sneak in through the yacht moorings on the eastern side before joining the main channel.
I think there may be a requirement that you do produce a passage plan. As well as QHM you may also need to inform Southampton VTS.
Colin
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I found that a funny read :-)
We can either leave from gunwalf or camber quay on portsmouth side, or just go from haslar marine ( it would still be called portsmouth to cows ) once in cows ovb we would be going to cows yacht haven, as thats where the pits will be :-))
Have sailed, powerboated all over the solent so a route will not be a problem
As to what you said on going on a willy nilly date, hes tryin to plan it the same date as an event already set up so we would need to go on that date or it wouldnt make much sense?
All the best
This post isnt ment to sound sarky, so sorry if it dos
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Well, you never know what people will find funny! The point about the date is that if it turns out to be blowing half a gale and the tide is in the wrong direction then it may not be a practical proposition. I assume you are talking about full size fast power boats. If so then you can pretty much ignore the tides but in a much slower boat where the tidal stream is anything up to 100% boat speed then you have to work the tides. I have done the trip many times in a yacht, cursing the people in the big power boats who think it's fun to give you a bouncing. I've always consoled myself that it must cost a tremendous amount of money to make a hole in the water that big.
The weather in the Solent is rarely just what you would like it to be so you have to plan for that. In fact, for decent conditions you may have to wait until the 'cows' come home!
Colin
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The weather is always changin i agree, i think the type of boat would need to be fairly light, about a meter and with a closed deck
I have been across in all maner of diffrent types of boats over the years, Many a time in my first yacht a 19 foot prelude, the smallist and slowist boat i have been out in the solent in, is my kayak ( out to the forts and what not ) I work in portsmouth harbour bringin in all the container ships to and from the port
I think it could be a very good trip, but it depends on how many do it. Some boat will want to do it faster and some slower so there will always be problems {:-{
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the idea is to coincide with the cowes classic powerboat event in august , also taking place at the same time as the cowes -torquay endurance race . i know we cant plan the weather , but can only hope for favourable conditions .
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This is interesting,
I would like to take part,dont know if any of my boats would make it,good fun for a worthhy cause.
Mark
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Would a refuel or battery swop be allowed if the boat does not leave the water ?
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i cant see a problem in either a refuel or battery changes , what type of craft were you thinking of ?
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Leaning over the side of the chase boat to do this in a typical Solent chop could be interesting to say the least....
Colin
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I can do interesting ok2
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I would be takin an inboard rib so its easy and safe todo changes, but tbf i duno if it makes sense to swop batts or to top up? Would it not be better to try and do it in one go, that would be more of a feat :-))
Just thinkin anyone with anyboat could do it if you could change batts n that but its way way harder to try it on a single batt or bit of fuel, a real boat wouldnt stop in that distance to get more power lol
But ovb i dont mind doing this if its what everyone wants
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I have been watching these two posts with interest, and have come to the conclusion that you guys need a few pointers on the collection of monies from the general public.
haveing been secretary of Fleetwood's RNLI fund raising committee for a couple of years, some years ago it would seem to me that you might need some info on Protocol.
IF COLLECTING FOR THE RNLI you will firstly need to notify them of that collection or sponsored event.
They as a charity have to protect themselves legally in every way possible to prevent someone claiming against themselves in the event of an accident to the third person whilst collecting in their name, and as such you ALL have to sign indemnity clauses to state that you will not and cannot make such claims for property or injury INCLUDING death whilst doing so!.
You will NOT be allowed to collect in public places and this is against the law of the land should you try......this is because all charities have to gain liscences to collect in a certain area, and usually councils will only allow ONE liscence per area per year...........just to give all charities an equal chance...there is no exeption, and should you be found collecting in public places, those councils could/will prosecute for begging and vagrancy.
You are only allowed to collect in private places such as inside shops( if they will allow)pubs , clubs and other private places which can be restricting depending on where you wish to do the event.
You first have to go via the RNLI headquarters in Poole who will emailyou a form to fill in with the indemnity clause and doo's and don't of the event and collecting, and then they will notify the regional office who will contact you with regards to official sponsor forms....you can't use your own on this matter, and then will ask if you want the help of the local RNLI, the RNLI womens Guild of the area and if they can supply you with official stickers and such.
IT ALL TAKES TIME I started organising this Loch Ness do last September for the officialdome of it.........so if you ARE SERIOUSLY PLANNING such an event, then I suggest that you make good formativwe plans very soon and then submit to the RNLI...they won't grant you a liscence for official collecting on their behalf, if your trip isn't planned well with safety aspects in place AND if there is a risk to life and craft.
Just thought you might want to know about the pitfalls of collecting for the RNLI.
After all their job iss to save lives, NOT to put lives in dangeron their behalf.
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didnt even notice he said about doing it for them %% Im just wantin to do it because its something diffrent
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it hasnt actually been sugested that we make the crossing in aid of any charity ,
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ive received a reply from the qhm , who would like to know numbers of boats and chase boats involved , as well as proposed routes for the crossing . they would like this as an events plan before they can tell us whats required from us as participants , there could also be a charge of £150 ! . could all those interested in participating please let me know , so that i could send a proposal into the harbour master ?
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it hasnt actually been sugested that we make the crossing in aid of any charity ,
if you are planing on making your own model boat crossing its kinda steeling my thunder
plus i have my hover pass wich works and weekends so if we get to the other side and something goes wrong i can run back on hover and come back and forth
again any one intrested contact me thinking about it the bigger the numbers the safest it will be and if its big enough we could do it for a charity this could turn into a big thing if enough people are intrested but theres the problem mentioned it needs a lot of planing but pm me if intrested
This model would make the crossing take a look http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=27895.0.
actually from KK's own quote and idea of such a sail, which you, triumph john, seem to have hijacked in some way by posting a similar thread to run concurrently
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Mmm... bandwagon and jumping spring to mind....a lot of thought has to go into something like this or it could all go horribly wrong if not planned out right like Neil said, good luck though if you manage it..
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I REALLY dont see what all the moanin is about, its a bunch of like minded people from the south that have come up with tryin something.
Do you have lights in your house or a car because someone else infact came up with those so stop hijackin there idear, bunch of kids lol
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:-X On this now %)
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indeed
As for tryin it, if a list of names start im up for doing it :-))
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i'm certainly not moaning, offshore1987, and i wish you all the very best of luck with your sojourn.
i was just pointing out to triumphjohn that the thought of doing the run for charity had been made on the original post by kraftykid and i was pointing out some of the pitfalls and protocol that you have to go through in order to do such an event....nothing more, nothing less.
however it seems that triumphjohn has seen fit to "forget" KK's original thread....this i put down to what seems a personality clash between the two of them, which seems to boil to the surface every time one or the other posts something, and the other tries to outdo the first.
you might look there for the "keeping up with the jones's" syndrome..........i have no thought one way or the other on the proposed sail from the mainland to Cowes except to say if it was too choppy for the Mary Rose, then i wouldn't risk my model or my life just to make a point!!! %% %% %%
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i'm certainly not moaning, offshore1987, and i wish you all the very best of luck with your sojourn.
i was just pointing out to triumphjohn that the thought of doing the run for charity had been made on the original post by kraftykid and i was pointing out some of the pitfalls and protocol that you have to go through in order to do such an event....nothing more, nothing less.
however it seems that triumphjohn has seen fit to "forget" KK's original thread....this i put down to what seems a personality clash between the two of them, which seems to boil to the surface every time one or the other posts something, and the other tries to outdo the first.
you might look there for the "keeping up with the jones's" syndrome..........i have no thought one way or the other on the proposed sail from the mainland to Cowes except to say if it was too choppy for the Mary Rose, then i wouldn't risk my model or my life just to make a point!!! %% %% %%
Quite simply .........
Nail on head there O0
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i'm certainly not moaning, offshore1987, and i wish you all the very best of luck with your sojourn.
i was just pointing out to triumphjohn that the thought of doing the run for charity had been made on the original post by kraftykid and i was pointing out some of the pitfalls and protocol that you have to go through in order to do such an event....nothing more, nothing less.
however it seems that triumphjohn has seen fit to "forget" KK's original thread....this i put down to what seems a personality clash between the two of them, which seems to boil to the surface every time one or the other posts something, and the other tries to outdo the first.
you might look there for the "keeping up with the jones's" syndrome..........i have no thought one way or the other on the proposed sail from the mainland to Cowes except to say if it was too choppy for the Mary Rose, then i wouldn't risk my model or my life just to make a point!!! %% %% %%
Thank you for explaining what you had put, i wasnt tryin to be narky either it just seemed random what you had put with out seein this post :-))
I agree about the pitfals %% on the way to work this morning the crossin woulda been fine, this evenin on the way back home ( i drive along the seafront to and from work ) and it had blown up a rather nice chop
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Lets keep it on track gentlemen.
Mutual respect for all forum members,. all the time. :-))
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has a child of TWELVE actually done any more than posted a subject of had anybody actually crossed the solent in a model boat ? if you read what has been posted on his page hed like others to organise it wheeby he would take the credit for doing so . as of this moment in time ive made contact with both the qhm for their permission to cross the channel ive also made contact with the classic boat club who organise the full size meet in cowes , i attended the 50th race meeting i though it could be a good idea to be able to combine some of our models into the event ?
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has a child of TWELVE actually done any more than posted a subject of had anybody actually crossed the solent in a model boat ? if you read what has been posted on his page hed like others to organise it wheeby he would take the credit for doing so .
I rest my case, and I think that you should sort your bickering out OFF forum, and not squabble on it.
after all, triumphjohn....you are supposed to be the mature one here. {:-{ :((
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I was un aware of any bickerin from 2 members in this thread lol but i see there has been something in the past? ( stays outa it, n sits in the corner ponderin about models lol )
As for ontopic
What else would people like to make the crossin with? Or should i said atempt
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Not knowing anything about the sea conditions of the area i couldn't even hazzard a guess as to the type of boat needed,
BUT that's why i chose the relative calm and peaceful tranquility of Loch Ness for our charity sail...and BIG models with high freeboards to do ours with, O0 O0
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as the plan is to coincide with this years classic powerboat meet in cowes , deep vee , or offshore cabin cruisers and race boats would be the most suitable craft , this is an open stretch of water between the isle of white and the mainland , which is also a main shipping lane for both portsmoth and southampton !
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The shipping lane is a relatively narrow and well defined buoyed channel. And it's the Isle of Wight - not White. Plus the main shipping lane from Portsmouth extends eastwards towards the Nab and not westwards to Cowes. Seems to me that nobody has much idea of what they may be getting into here!
Colin
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The shipping lane is a relatively narrow and well defined buoyed channel. And it's the Isle of Wight - not White. Plus the main shipping lane from Portsmouth extends eastwards towards the Nab and not westwards to Cowes. Seems to me that nobody has much idea of what they may be getting into here!
Colin
Who was that for lol
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Just endeavouring to introduce a degree of geographical exactitude... ;)
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im well aware of whats involved , shipping into / out of porrtsmouth has to also be taken into consideration , hence my initial request from the harbour authority , every vessel entering or leaving portsmouth irrespective of its size MUST FIRST request premission to proceed ! .
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That made me chuckle {-)
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im well aware of whats involved , shipping into / out of porrtsmouth has to also be taken into consideration , hence my initial request from the harbour authority , every vessel entering or leaving portsmouth irrespective of its size MUST FIRST request premission to proceed ! .
umm no lol only to cross at the southen end of the harbour :-)) just to leave or enter the harbour you dont have to tell qhm, unless you are having or can corse problems to others
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But you MUST have your engine running when negotiating the harbour entrance. :-))
(and you may not be able to proceed if there is a warship movement taking place)
Colin
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Thats a given :-))
although you could try tellin 90% of the yachtys this everyday {-) ( i own a yacht so dont take it that im yachty bashin ) :embarrassed:
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The MOD Police once told me that their biggest bugbears are the IoW ferries who just do as they like.
Colin
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Yes we sometimes have meetings with them too as we are based in the camber all fun in love and war n all that
Findin a time to leave will not be a problem :) The only other thing i could see might be a problem would be that aload of small remote boats headin up the harbour towards the ships, only takes one rouge rcer to get shot at %)
If we have a nice summer i might try and do it before this crossin
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Slightly, just slightly off topic, I seem to recall a model lifeboat thread on mayhem crossing the Mersey.... If you could find it then maybe ask the member what plans he had before the crossing.
Just a thought :-))
Jim.
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i am doing a crossing in the summer holidays if thats a better date or some one wants to do it again
good luck with the crossing in agust are you going to do what i hope to do and do it for charity i want to do it for RNLI
advice
look carfully at every wether forecast site i get the hover to school one day in the mornin it was flat and beutiful got windy in the afternoon 4/5 hours latter the hover was cancelled and i had to take the cat wich was rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bumpy
have fun and again good luck
kk
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I MAY have had something to do with these threads taking off. Many years ago I looked out across the Solent, got my chart out, placed a ruler between Clarence Pier and Ryde Pier ( About 4 miles, I forget ), started designing the model, blower motor, 12v battery, big coamings, everything bolted down. Then I needed the ( slow ) chase boat, decent weather, nip across the shipping lanes when all clear etc etc. However, after a while the cracks started to show in my plans. Having sat in a Manned Battleship with a canal tour boat bearing down on me at the unheard of speed of more than 3 Knots, watching it getting bigger and bigger as you push the throttles all the way to No5, about 2 1/2 Knots, and having been in the harbour entrance in a Hastings Beach Boat, being bore down on by the USS New Jersey and a gaggle of little boats mostly driven by sunday sailors and RMAS skippers ( their the worst, you know! ), I decided it was not for me. Took up the much safer pursuit of Display Officer for the Portsmouth Model Boat Display Team.....mind you, gave that up in the end, brought me out in a rash!
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........................I decided it was not for me. Took up the much safer pursuit of Display Officer for the Portsmouth Model Boat Display Team.....mind you, gave that up in the end, brought me out in a rash!
The good people of Portsmouth (and beyond) are thankful that you chose the Display Officer option unbuiltnautilus, you gave them many hours of enjoyment with your enthusiasm, dedication, creativity and inate sense of humour. :-)) %)
Does the foregoing qualify me for a discount on next year's membership fee?? ;D
And, thankfully, your trousers successfully conceal your rash........................ :D
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And, thankfully, your trousers successfully conceal your rash........................ :D
Except on the full moon ;D
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i wood be very interested
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dont foget the bank holiday week end in cowes is powerboat weekend so we could have trouble with coast gard and harbour master bank holiday week end
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thats the idea of making the crossing that weekend , im in contact with the classic powerboat club , and have already asked them for permission to finish our crossing at the event ! the saturday of the august cowes meeting is pits day , most of the racing boats are available to be viewed close up , some are out of the water for those of us that like to see the working end of the drive systems
(http://s1.postimage.org/o24ak2f8/077.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/o24ak2f8/)
(http://s1.postimage.org/o2ck8sw4/120.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/o2ck8sw4/)
just a couple of pics taken at last summers event !
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:-)) sweet and what price would the chase boat event be
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chase boat cost?
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in respect of the costs of running a chase boat hasnt yet been decided , until we can get definate numbers of people who would like to take part im unable to give any approximate cost to take part ! . offshore ive been advised by one of the local fishermen that a normal round trip uses about five gallons of petrol , not running a full sized boat im unsure of this ?
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Surely more than one chase boat would be required if a few( or a lot of) models are involved. I would have thought one chase boat per model . {:-{
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Surely more than one chase boat would be required if a few( or a lot of) models are involved. I would have thought one chase boat per model . {:-{
Thats what i was thinkin lol each boat will at least need 2 crew, one to drive the model and one to drive the chase boat
for me from portsmouth to cows n back at about 25 knots its something like £10 but thats an inboard diesel, being out there for hours n hours god knows lol
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Yes, poodling about at around 4 knots or so could take a while...
Coin
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On a good note though, today woulda been perfect :-))
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my narrow boat used to use a gallon an hour, and that was with a small lister 3 cylinder diesel..and only tootling along a canal with no current... %% %% %% {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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hence i need to speak to those of you who have vessels and are willing to use them for this type of event ! ive already established most omra chase boat events use one chase boat per model . what we really need to know is how many people would like to attempt a crossing ?
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A) Do you want to take part?
B) Do you have a chase boat?
C) What type of boat would you like to use?
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you can count me in yes [ still need price for event ] i am in yorkshire and would be traveling through night %% %% %% %%
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Good old days
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o yea :-))
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Wow ! Which one is the model and which the chase boat ? :o
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMkTb8qOS5E&feature=player_detailpage
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMkTb8qOS5E&feature=player_detailpagehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV8Exhc359o&feature=player_detailpagehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPeUTkXsnQ&feature=player_detailpage
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDtzx0uBzFA&feature=player_detailpage
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now now bulldog.........................
don't get excited.................... you won't have one of those as yer chase boat..........if you do, yer'll have to save yer pocket money........they are doing about 80 gallons per HOUR {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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{-) {-) {-) {-) {-) i wish in my dreams [ well people can dream]
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{-) i was there in 2007, well every year lol ( now now children P1 wasnt true racing so dont get to exited )
tbf i could get 2 of those as chase boats :-))
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with hindsight after looking again at the map maybe a crossing from calshot to cowes would be a more viable option ? unfortunatly the response through this site hasnt been positive !
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I think its a bit early to make a decision. There are so many variables The weather being foremost. What
does the harbour master think? Do the proffesionals say its possible. Types of boats etc. I agree it needs a
lot of thought. Possibly your alternative route first to break the ice (hope not that cold). Then with an hands
on idea of whats involved go for origanal route. Good luck. John.
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unless we can get positive responses from sensible people who would take part im unable to go back to the harbour master with numbers of models and chase boats involved , they have already asked for this information before they will let us know weather the crossing is viable ! unlike some people i have been asking those in authority what they require from us modellers before the event can take place ! !
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To be honest, at the moment I don't think you have the solid and knowledgeable support you need to make this project a viable one.
Colin
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Sadly this appears a bit chicken or egg.The answers you require do not appear forthcoming until people are
commited. Members may not want to commit to they know whats involved. I can say that Ive been reading
the posts and would have likely travelled down to give support and have a day out. John.
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It's not just a question of being committed, it's also a question of competence.
Ideally in the chase boat you need a couple of people to manage the boat itself and perhaps two more to look after the model. If you are going to change batteries along the way then you need people who can deal with a situation where the chase boat and model are both bobbing up and down. The model will need some sort of quick release mechanism for access to the interior to effect the battery change while the model boat handlers will need to be able to deal with it at close quarters without depositing their breakfasts into the model as it is in these conditions that the effects of sea sickness are most likely.
Colin
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Triumphjon,
You cannot expect people not to be sceptical, when both you and kk are at each others throats, [ unlike some people i have been asking those in authority] with both of you "organising" very similar sailings, one trying to out do the other at every conceivable moment, and neither showing any form of "black and white on paper" organisation.
I certainly wouldn't want to travel for hundreds of miles for a weekend jaunt, only to find out that it had been cancelled for one reason or other, due to lack of concrete organisation rather than just ideas on the back of a fag packet.
sorry, but you have to see it from our point of view. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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"xxxxx" the bloody lot of you ! its the last time ive anbything to do with you sad pesamistic "xxxxx" ever .
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I just think its an easy thing thats been made hard by people comentin
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"xxxxx" the 'blinking!' lot of you ! its the last time ive anbything to do with you sad pesamistic "xxxxx" ever .
Not appropriate for a family forum
Can you not see when people are trying to give advice ??
Will be interesting triumphjon when more input is added to this thread to see if you will hold back and not add input, unless if the moderators or admin deem it fit to ban you for a while :-))
Jim.
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let them i really dont give a poop !
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As far as i can see. Its a free world. One kid had an idea.Jon tried to bring it to fruition. At the stage he was
at, he no doubt was still taking advice and planning. To put him down before he has concrete plans seems to
be uncalled for. Members have rightly raised concerns. All these questions would im sure have been answered given time. He himself was looking at a different route. Yes jon was not wise to have posted
as he did. But i can understand his frustrations. I hope that Jon will continue. I wish him luck. John.
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let them i really dont give a poop !
Childish behaviour.
Jim.
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"xxxxx" the 'blinking!' lot of you ! its the last time ive anbything to do with you sad pesamistic "xxxxx" ever .
you cannot blame people for not trusting their lives on your virtually none existant organisational skills..
GET REAL MAN. >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
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Given time im sure he would have got real. Why do you persist in being rude? Why did you not try to
give constuctive help? To say what you have appears to have the affect you no doubt wanted. People like
you dissapoint me. Wait until his plans were finished. He needed help not your comments. John
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As someone who has had experience of cruising the Solent at the sort of speed that one might reasonably expect from a model boat I have not been impressed with the quality of posts on this topic which have ranged from the blase to the ignorant. If you want to do something like this then you need to know exactly what you are doing, have a properly worked out plan and then practical experience to back it up with appropriate safety measures in place. The authorities will expect no less and rightly so. They already have enough on their plate without having to deal with a bunch of well meaning incompetents. The sea can be a dangerous place, even in the Solent, ignore that at your peril. Something like this can be done but not on the basis of the comments posted to date I'm afraid.
Colin
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Colin. I fully agree with what you said. You have no doubt a lot of experiance and have raized important
questions.Which given time should have been answered. Sadly some members always try to put others down. Instead of trying to support. This sadly is an english traint.John.
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whatever ! ive been around water since i was around the age of 14 , mainly using model boats but have also had experience of working on a few full sized vessels , living alongside a river with the second highest rise and fall in the world im well aware of what water can do , and its tidal currents . having spoken to a committee member of the full sized power boat club , who are enthusiastic about some models making a crossing to coincide with the full sized endurance event i put the suggestion to the modelling world . However until those who would be interested in taking part can give a firm idea that they would like to make an attempt im unable to get any ideas of costs involved . should a notice to local mariners need to be issued the queens harbour master here will require £150 plus VAT ! i can understand that to most modellers august is quite some time away , but events of this nature need to be planned in advance ! its of no use to either of us to wait until a week or two beforehand and expect the powers that control shipping in this area let several slow models and chase boats wander around in one of the bussiest shipping lanes in the area ? ?
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Why did you not try to
give constuctive help? He needed help not your comments. John
i gave triumphjon ample advice on preliminary organisation with regards to the doo's and don't's of doing this in aid of a charity such as the RNLI and had it thrown in my face........i'm not one to mince words, and won't offer a second time when rebuffed publicly.
i think it's a half baked idea that really stood no chance of getting off the ground, purely and simply because all the preliminary planning was not done in the first place, and as a past helper within the RNLI, i feel it is a duty for me as a human being with care for my fellow man, to warn of the danger of half baked ideas like this.
you wouldn't go climbing Scafell Pike WEARLING FLIPFLOPS AND SHORTS ON A SUMMERS DAY, SO WHY PLAN THIS ON A WHIM AND EXPECT OTHERS TO FOLLOW BLINDLY.
Sadly some people don't like to hear the truth.....they are the ones who either get hurt or cause others to get hurt because of their bad planning, and this, AND krafty kids idea's are accidents waiting to happen, with possibly fatal consequences.
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This sadly is an english traint.
Explain more please John .......
I am not trying to put anyone down but stupid comments and swearing by using xxxx word is out of order for a family forum ok2
There is no chance I could ever organise such an event as to cross the Solent, I can barely cross the road after a few pints ! but the comments made by triumphjon are far from needed.
Jim.
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I am fed up with this now, i could do this trip tomorrow if i wanted, but im going sailin on my own yacht in the solent ;)
Colin your help is not help at all... Blunt but imo true
As for sayin you would need to tell the shipin, why? A yacht doing 3 knots dosnt need to tell anyone that hes crossin the outa channel ( if you new anything at all thats worth knowing, you would infact know all this )
It really dos get to me, people saying oh its blase. No its daily happenins for some of us that work in portsmouth harbour dealing with container ships, have been boatin their hole lives, and has been in the solent sinse born, on almost every type of craft going %) Yet you still feel the need to try and say everyone must be ficker than yourself? ( least this is how it comes across ) I agree some people should not be on the water, but dont brush us all with the same stick
Some people >>:-( lol
This was an idear that was put on to see if people wanted to give it ago, not lets all jump on it and destroy it ( sad times )
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As for sayin you would need to tell the shipin, why? A yacht doing 3 knots dosnt need to tell anyone that hes crossin the outa channel ( if you new anything at all thats worth knowing, you would infact know all this )
No idea what you are talking about(!) Sorry! What's an 'outa channel' for heavens's sake? It's not marked on my charts.
Colin
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With all good intentions, could a moderator clear up this topic, good luck and good planning for the proposed crossing.
Jim.
editied by me, I should have said 'CLEAN' up this topic :-))
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Am i allowed to post this ??? ;
A pm from triumphjon ;
PM's are as the title - Private Messages
Jim.
I am in now way trying to upset anyone, just looking at advice given should be taken in :-)) Nhp651 seems to be clued up with charity events
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This topic has gone way off track now so am locking it to allow emotions to cool
Bob
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A further topic clean-up.
This project can still be salvaged Triumphjon, you just need a bit more 'due diligence' to reassure ( re-a-shore!) people that things
are actually in hand. I realise you don't have firm plans yet but the concept sounds... sound! (Plymouth!). The Solent is the haunt
of old sea dogs such as Colin and others, so take on-board their experience and use it to your advantage.
Triumphjon, come up with a firm proposal and present them here on the forum. It could be a simple as:
1. I have written authority from (whoever).
2. The route will be.......... (Portsmouth (actual point,) via xxxx, arriving Cowes (actual point,) - distance 2 - 20 miles.
3. Depart 12:00, 1 June 2011. (Pre-entry by 1 May)
4. Costs £500 ( QHM fees, chase boat hire + fuel, donation to charity) - to be shared between participants.
5. Boat expectation..... anything you wish but must be able to sustain a minimum speed of XXmph for xx minutes.
6. 'elf & flakey'. All on water participants must use approved life jackets. Boats/participants must have a valid insurance certificate.
7. Boats must have external grab handles, external kill switch / electrical cut-off, fluorescent deck or flag to aid navigation,
sustainable floatation (in case of a sinking), bow fender. etc.
.... again these are just suggested rules /guidelines. Those with some experience will be be better able to guide you.
You will always get 'nay-sayers' Triumphjon but they won't take part but others will see what you are attempting and
will want to take part.
New / different ideas are never readily accepted but don't let that put you off.
Even if you attempt it on your own you will have the satisfaction of success or will have died trying!!!!
Martin.... just trying to be positive! :-)