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Re: Mr angry here !
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2008, 05:02:17 pm »

Just been out to tax the ole Passat.... over a hundred squids for 6months!!!  :'( Thieving B**ta*ds!! >>:-(
If only I could make it run on all that hot air coming out of Westminster, better still, just half the money Prescott spent filling his gut last year..... at our expense! In case you didn't catch it, he shoved through a 4000-00 expenses chit for pigging out, we payed for it and he chundered it down the plug hole as he claimed he had an eating disorder. C'mon you legal minded chaps out there, has he fraudulently claimed for this nosh as he KNEW he was ill , kept it a secret and knowingly did not want to not benefit from the nutrition it contained? I think he should pay it back!
I wonder what his annual fuel expense chits to keep the Jags runs into, those things use bout the same amount of fuel as a good 4X4 and I bet he doesn't chop them in for a Nissan Micra! 
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« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2008, 05:13:15 pm »

Me being Me, grumpy moaning old F--t. I have grave doubts about anyone who calls thereself an `expert`.

Seeing how one group of `experts` predict `global warming` and the latest lot to stick their heads above the parapet predict `global` cooling. Just who the hell do we believe.

Still the politicians cab now tax us both both.

Bah humbug Colin H.
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« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2008, 05:56:53 pm »

Just leaving cars aside for a moment there is all this banging on about building new homes which are apparently needed (due to rich buggers buying second homes and killing villages). it seems forgotten that for 1 ton of concrete=1 ton of carbon emmisions!! i recently saw a program about a new build i forget what it was but not a huge building but apparently the amount of concrete used and therefore emmisions was equal to all the flights in and out of the U.K. for 1 year!! so how do cars at less than 1% of all emmisions for the year constitute global warming?. which may i add has been happening since the end of the last ice age. 4 million years ago the North sea and Channel used to be above sea level, where do they think all that water came from?. Probably all the oxon pulling carts farting! caused the start of it i blame the cavemen!!
Sorry, but all the water on this planet was created a long,long time ago. The quantity does not increase or decrease...although it does get moved around a bit. Forget about the ice-caps melting and so on. The pure volume of water on this planet will stay the same as it ever was (albeit in different forms).
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« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2008, 08:04:08 pm »

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Sorry, but all the water on this planet was created a long,long time ago. The quantity does not increase or decrease...although it does get moved around a bit. Forget about the ice-caps melting and so on. The pure volume of water on this planet will stay the same as it ever was (albeit in different forms).

That was my point Bryan the ice caps will melt faster as there is less cooling effect as they decrease in size. Like when they found the hole in the ozone it took a few years but they then realised that because they'd only just invented the machine for looking at the ozone the hole may have always been there!! and we're supposed to trust these morons!
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« Reply #54 on: May 02, 2008, 08:47:14 pm »

Next they will tell us the world isnt flat! and we wont fall off if we sail our boats farther than we can see ::)
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Re: Mr angry here !
« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2008, 08:57:19 pm »

speaking of Housing, the best solution to the housing crisis.

imagine this in the brocure,

2 bedroom with excellent views
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« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2008, 09:16:29 pm »

speaking of Housing, the best solution to the housing crisis.

imagine this in the brocure,

2 bedroom with excellent views

AND super TV reception O0 {-)
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Re: Mr angry here !
« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2008, 09:28:12 pm »

its a shame some places have them and the lift smells pof pee! however that is the exception NOT the rule, and yes I'd put my money where my mouth is and live in one! more floors the better!
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« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2008, 10:29:13 pm »

Hi All

Here is something I have been pondering. In regards to carbon emissions and footprints and trading and all that poo. In the refining of oil to make petrol is their much carbon emissions. If so this will be the next stop for governments to hit the small bloke. Putting a Carbon tax on oil refining, the cost of which will be passed down to you and I the consummers. What a con.

On the subject of 4x4's we have our share of the nervous mother brigade taking little Johnny to school in a tank. Hubby thinks he must protect his Mrs and the fruit of his loin, while he is off making deals at the office, so he buys a tank so that the cargo is safe. What gets me is the small 4x4's, you know the ones Not much bigger than a small hatch but the shape of a Land Cruiser. If they went on to any other surface but the road they would just disappear. Total useless as an off road vehicle but still have the 4x4 badge/status symbol.

Not that we have it as bad as you guys in regards to the cost of petrol. Here in Australia the current average per litre is $1.40 which would roughly be about 80pence per liter give or take. But we still grumble at the price. As we should, we have about 90% of our own oil supply and yet we have to play along with the Middle East cartells who set the price for our own oil. If anybody tried to do that with any other commodity like wheat it would be against international law. >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(

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« Reply #59 on: May 02, 2008, 10:36:31 pm »

I have just read a report that said the earth is cooling down and will be for the next ten years. So all this tax for Global Warming is just rubbish. I would say that I think 4x4's should be used for their intended purpose not as some sort of status symbol.

Brian
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« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2008, 09:59:54 am »

I never understood why we NEEDED air con fitted in to cars in Britain, it seems a bit over the top when a simple sun roof would suffice. Air conditioning saps about 3bhp from an engine and that represents a fair amount of fuel and subsequent carbon emission over the life span of the vehicle. This never gets a mention in the emissions stakes yet I regard it as somewhat superfluous in the same way as a 4x4 bratmobile at schooltime. Why don't they just stick the road tax on the fuel so you simply pay for what you burn ie, big car... big fuel bill, uneconomic car ... big fuel bill, boyracer.....well, his bills are already high but why not stick it to him a bit more as he is an emissions nightmare!
I suppose my logic is all a bit over simplified but no-one has ever truly explained why road tax isn't simply put on fuel so you pay for what you drive based on it's fuel economy.
 
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« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2008, 10:34:51 am »

I never understood why we NEEDED air con fitted in to cars in Britain, it seems a bit over the top when a simple sun roof would suffice. Air conditioning saps about 3bhp from an engine and that represents a fair amount of fuel and subsequent carbon emission over the life span of the vehicle. This never gets a mention in the emissions stakes yet I regard it as somewhat superfluous in the same way as a 4x4 bratmobile at schooltime. Why don't they just stick the road tax on the fuel so you simply pay for what you burn ie, big car... big fuel bill, uneconomic car ... big fuel bill, boyracer.....well, his bills are already high but why not stick it to him a bit more as he is an emissions nightmare!
I suppose my logic is all a bit over simplified but no-one has ever truly explained why road tax isn't simply put on fuel so you pay for what you drive based on it's fuel economy.
 
I can't speak for anyone else but I only use aircon either when it's stinking hot or I need to clear a misty screen. It's certainly not on all the time. As regards 3 bhp, you can waste more than that by running with your tyres under-inflated.
Ref tax on fuel, I guess it's the former taxman in me which screams "Don't be so damn stupid! THAT might mean some people will pay LESS!!!!"
The first thing you must know about tax law and tax policy is that neither logic nor fairness  are involved. Witness the debacle over the aboliition of the 10% tax band.... by a so-called Socialist government.
I have yet to be convinced that by stuffing his grubby paws even deeper into my pockets our esteemed Chancellor will save even one polar bear. What was that wonderful Mark Knopfler line? Ah yes!
"Let's hear it for the dolphins; let's hear it for the trees; ain't runnin' outta nothin' in my deep freeze...."
Plus ca change.......etc
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Re: Mr angry here !
« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2008, 11:06:34 am »

I think a lot of the blame can be laid a the foot of the car industry and consumer. The former will cater to the latter, and wouldn't change it's policies unless encouraged to do so.

Taxation is a blunt instrument, but if you ask people nicely to change their habits, they tend to respond by completely ignoring you. It was only on the insistance of fitting catalytic convertors 17 years ago, that necessitated the improvement of fueling systems in our vehicles, and it is only with pressure that the car industry is now seriously looking into building small, lightweight cars that can run on little fuel. Volkswagen has recently relaunched it's 1L (litre) project, a 21st century bubble car that can do over 200mpg. BMW is seriously looking into making a 21st century Isetta.

IMO, there shouldn't be a new car on the forecourts that can do less than 50mpg.

On the flip side, I think the government should give a decent tax break to new cars that are very efficient e.g. remove the VAT on these vehicles. This would encourage consumers to purchase these types of vehicles, and manufacturers to build them.

Andy

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« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2008, 11:11:35 am »

My 32 year old Landy has air conditioning and it costs nowt extra to use the aircon!

I can just open the two flaps under the windscreen for low speed aircon.................
 
or roll up the sides for medium aircon.

The entire roof comes off when it is HOT and not likely to rain (twice in the last Globally Warmed three years!)

But sorry......in matt Nato green (brush/yardbroom painted) it is hardly a status symbol...AND I have no kids!.......must go to Tesco's and buy one like everyone else...........and then HMG will give me all sorts of allowances too!!!!
Yippee!

Anyone notice that they are not planning to do anything about this 10p tax rate for low paid married couples with NO rugrats?

Breeders ok with anklebiters....pensioners have a little recognition at last but what about folks like us..............just above the minimum wage, well below the average wage, responsible enoough to realise that WE can't support any kids, (not without payouts) and struggling to keep our own house, that we HAD to buy as ex-servicemen no longer qualify for accelerated 'Council Housing' and we could have been homeless for at least 10 years waiting for one!

Come the revolution!

Rex
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« Reply #64 on: May 03, 2008, 11:25:41 am »

I think a lot of the blame can be laid a the foot of the car industry and consumer. The former will cater to the latter, and wouldn't change it's policies unless encouraged to do so.

Taxation is a blunt instrument, but if you ask people nicely to change their habits, they tend to respond by completely ignoring you. It was only on the insistence of fitting catalytic convertors 17 years ago, that necessitated the improvement of fueling systems in our vehicles, and it is only with pressure that the car industry is now seriously looking into building small, lightweight cars that can run on little fuel. Volkswagen has recently relaunched it's 1L (litre) project, a 21st century bubble car that can do over 200mpg. BMW is seriously looking into making a 21st century Isetta.

IMO, there shouldn't be a new car on the forecourts that can do less than 50mpg.

On the flip side, I think the government should give a decent tax break to new cars that are very efficient e.g. remove the VAT on these vehicles. This would encourage consumers to purchase these types of vehicles, and manufacturers to build them.


it all very well saying that. But what got a lot of people back up is the back dating it back to 2001. You buy a nice car that you can AFORD to run then the government remove your stander ed of living with out giving you a choice thats not on. What would be a beater way is to say all new car brought on the 58 plate on ward will be subject to this tax. This would still have the same effect on the motor industry, as more people would concider buyind a new small car.Thus they have a choice.

 As for saying all new car should do + 50mpg . Have you thought about this. I mean farmers and people living in remote parts IE the Scottish highlands may need a power full 4x4/ Theres no way that one of these can do 50mpg. My company car a 2LTD ford mondao 05 plate does about 48mpg thats because of the work stuff in the back, so what happens there. What then national grid going to use in stead of there long wheel based land rovers to get to the pylons a Nissan micro ? can you see prescot in a micro ner ant got the same wring to it as 2 jags.

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« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2008, 11:42:37 am »

I agree with you that the backdating is unfair, and I don't agree with this policy. However I think higher tax on newer cars which are guzzlers is fair.

I also believe a 50mpg 4x4 is acheiveable with modern engine technology.The curb weight of a series one landrover is about the same as a BMW 1-series. The latest one series diesel can achieve over 60mpg.

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« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2008, 01:01:01 pm »

well perhaps we should all move over to HYDROGEN
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Re: Mr angry here !
« Reply #67 on: May 03, 2008, 02:07:40 pm »

Subculture,

They made us over here put catalytic converters on cars quite a few years ago,
then brought out a machine to test and show how much that this would reduce
emissions, these machines have been scrapped, main reason being that 90 % of
the older cars running on the OLD SUPER petrol were on average 30% cleaner
than the unleaded cars, great system we have to suffer using now isn't it.........


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« Reply #68 on: May 03, 2008, 02:12:09 pm »

subculture

Why do we need these cars you suggest the world is now cooling so a little warming up might just help.

Colin H.
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« Reply #69 on: May 03, 2008, 03:19:16 pm »

What gets me is the small 4x4's, you know the ones Not much bigger than a small hatch but the shape of a Land Cruiser. If they went on to any other surface but the road they would just disappear. Total useless as an off road vehicle but still have the 4x4 badge/status symbol.
Regards David

You say that the small 4X4 is no use off road?  My son has a Suzuki 4X4 and it is only a Vitara (not the stupid *fat Boy*) and the off road capabilities of that car would astound you! I pulled a 110 landy out of the mud (his clutch went) with it no problems other than I had to reserve the use of four big lads for a touch of weight, and I got 50.00 of the landy owner who bet me I could not do it!

as for mpg his is very good

R, Ps sorry this post is replying to a very early one but I have been busy
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« Reply #70 on: May 03, 2008, 04:11:56 pm »

subculture

Why do we need these cars you suggest the world is now cooling so a little warming up might just help.

Colin H.

Dwindling oil reserves. Roads chock-a-block.

Makes sense to me to use the minimal amount of resources to achieve your aim i.e. getting about.

Cars have got increasignly heavier over the years. case in point- the original mini weighed about 1400 pounds give a or take a few. The new one weighs well over a ton, almost double the weight, and it isn't double the size. The Smart Fortwo, essentially a modern day micro-car, weighs about 1600 pounds, and it's only a two seater.

Modern cars need a trip to weight watchers, corresponding smaller capacity engines, then you'll see real gains.

Andy

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« Reply #71 on: May 03, 2008, 09:08:00 pm »

subculture

Why do we need these cars you suggest the world is now cooling so a little warming up might just help.

Colin H.

Dwindling oil reserves. Roads chock-a-block.

Makes sense to me to use the minimal amount of resources to achieve your aim i.e. getting about.

Cars have got increasignly heavier over the years. case in point- the original mini weighed about 1400 pounds give a or take a few. The new one weighs well over a ton, almost double the weight, and it isn't double the size. The Smart Fortwo, essentially a modern day micro-car, weighs about 1600 pounds, and it's only a two seater.

Modern cars need a trip to weight watchers, corresponding smaller capacity engines, then you'll see real gains.

Andy

the reason Morten car are getting heavier is to do with safety .You will find that most new car with a 4 or 5 star N cap rating are heavy. The ford foces is triple skinned this adds weight and safety . So Europa want safer cars this means more weight the makes high MPG hard.
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« Reply #72 on: May 04, 2008, 11:26:37 am »

Whilst we're on the subject of safety, can anyone tell me why there is a move to ever higher bonnet lines,  eg the Auris and corolla to name but two.  Surely this alone creates visibility problems.  I've seen no end of people peering through the wheel instead of over.  Could this explain why so many people drive right on the centre line, having no idea where the front corners are.  I saw a massive 4 by 4 Audi yesterday which was almost a mini Kenwood tractor unit.  Do we really have to follow the American styling on our ever more cramped roads?

When I was a kid many moons ago, I was told that you needed to see where your corners were at all times.....one eye on the left margin and one on the centre line.  Perhaps any car designers on here could enlighten me a little. 

My next door neighbour runs a driving school using Corsa's, which are about as small as you can get.  I wonder why it is that she can't get the car nearer than 18 ins off the kerb.  I wonder also how many passes she obtains. 

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« Reply #73 on: May 04, 2008, 11:58:02 am »

The reason for the high bonnet line is to provide a space between the underside of the bonnet and the hard bits at the top of the engine. This acts as a "crumple zone" designed to protect pedestrians who may be thrown onto the bonnet if hit. Apparently many injuries are caused by pedestrians landing on a bonnet which has no "give" in it because of the engine components underneath.

Bull bars, as fitted to many 4X4s are of course intended to prevent the pedestrian being thrown onto the bonnet in the first place and damaging the paintwork.
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« Reply #74 on: May 04, 2008, 12:01:18 pm »

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