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malcolmfrary

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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2009, 06:08:41 PM »

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where did all the tree huggers go??
Around here, there is a tendency to regard trees as potential raw material.
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2009, 01:38:08 PM »

lots of good points for and against. I'm wondering if something goes wrong, on take off or landing were do they head for
as a lot of the green sites will either go or they will be to close to the end of the runways to be of use.

there is always my front garden which will now be just to the left of the new runway comming from the west  as for the comment the airport was there before people moved to the area yep true in around 1940 it was a field with a couple of red telephone box's
in it and most of the villages were already there .  before they are finished the perimeter will be the great west road .

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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2009, 02:09:29 PM »

hi guys
i wrote
90% of them moved to the villages after the airport was built.
but you still moved there why because it was cheep & close to work.
just think that if we joined the EU proper there would be no consultation it would just be built thats what happend with the TGV lines this country is to busy trying to please everbody instead of doing whats needed.
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2009, 04:12:06 PM »

EU proper there would be no consultation it would just be built

WELL if you think that was consultation  >>:-(   
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2009, 10:59:53 AM »

hi
prime minister evil has said this government is in favour of it not that will will be built
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2009, 12:14:36 PM »

Why have an airport in the middle of a highly populated area anyway?

Build a Maglev style ink between Heathrow and Gatwick which would be a 15min journey rather than a 45min one and job done. 

Better yet build a proper airport on reclaimed land "out of town" with a proper logistics network.

Build on and improve provincial airports so that the guy living in Leeds doesn't have to spend longer getting to the airport than his flight takes.

But equally important, after gormless Gordon has bankrupt Great Britain PLC - just look at the pound today and think of the defecit that our kids and thier kids will have to pay in increased taxes, who will be wanting to come to UK and how many of us can afford to go away.

3rd runway, no way
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2009, 03:22:25 PM »

hi
new railway system to gatwick  will only be a single use system garwick/heathrow not in my back yard they will say it spoils the view they will say.
where do you find enough brown land to build a new airport!
build/expand other airports all that does is change the protest target from heathrow to where ever.
as to using other airports yes i think that should be looked at manstan in kent they have that huge antanov225 in a few times a week so that's already plenty big enough to take 380/747's northolt should be expanded for regional flights all they both need is a new terminal each and the odd new road all done and dusted.
net result nowhere near 20 billion for A new runway.
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2009, 04:39:16 PM »

i think that should be looked at manstan in kent

GOOD new terminal sorted there the plenty of wood on the way to Kent
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2009, 07:19:28 PM »

A few years ago there was a TV series about the building of a new airport for Tokyo. Started off with similar problems to those being experienced at/by Heathrow. British, Japanese and other Nations got together, designed and built a new airport on a man-made island within Tokyo Bay. Not too dissimilar to the problems and solutions for London. The engineering skills exist. The location is pretty well OK, so what are the objections to buildind a new airport in the Thames Estuary?
Well, the Unions for a start. Always looking backwards and maintaining a false "status-quo" (new Luddites). Political reality. Wow! This bunch cannot even see that the decision to build the new runway is going to cost them very dearly in terms of lost seats.
But being serious for a moment. Surely Heathrow has outgrown and outlived its purpose from its humble beginnings. It has grown to its present size by accident, and was never really envisaged as a "world-hub" airport. OK, thousands of people work there. Thousands of people used to build ships, or railway engines or whatever. Times change, and to listen to the latest Gov't mantra the "social mobility" is the new Nirvana. Except it isn't. BY.
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2009, 08:35:26 PM »

Isn't the new requirement to make sure the airport is near a big river (without too many bridges) :)

I think one of the problems with all road/ airprot plans is they are always so stingy about compensation. If they just offered a sensible package then the displaced could get on with a new life.
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2009, 11:37:26 AM »

guys
so not in your back yard or anybody else's then?so how about an alternative!!!!!!
yes heathrow should have been built in the east side of town then the west side would be the slum!
the island airport is sinking it has about another 15/20 years but is not anywhere near a bird sanctuary unlike the proposed  thames estuary airport.
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2009, 12:07:18 PM »

The best idea is a high speed surface, probably rail, infrastructure linking all of our existing airports.  In WW2 it was recognised that dispersal was a good idea.  If it was arranged that the airports around London were reachable in about the same time as a walk between terminals, then much better use could be made of the existing facilities.  Many of the provincial airports are capable of extension, and the increase in national capacity would be much greater than super overcrowding an already overcrowded bit of airspace approaching and leaving London.
Recently, I flew back from Cyprus on a late flight to Manchester.  The matching flight to Gatwick was cancelled for "technical reasons", probably technically under-populated, the lucky folks going to Manchester and getting bussed to Gatwick.  With a fast infrastructure, they would have been much less unhappy.
With birdlife around, airports on estuaries are never going to be a safe proposition.  If, say, an Airbus finds a flock of geese shortly after take-off, most of the flock will get away with it.  The Airbus, lacking engines, will not.
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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2009, 12:17:47 PM »

Iwas told recently by someone in the "know" that almost all long haul regular flights leave Heathrow these days only half to two thirds full anyway. {:-{
If this is true, then why do we need extra flights and therefore another runway to cope with them. O0
just fill the empty seats >>:-(
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2009, 01:21:27 PM »

guys
the problem with any new high speed surface is NOT IN MY BACK YARD.
dispersal was a good idea as people were dropping bombs on them.
it would have to be airport to airport to work that means new lines not exiting ones.
and all flights to Australia are over booked not just at Christmas
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« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2009, 03:40:42 PM »

The NIMBY problem will be there whatever decisions are made.
Back in the '60s the decision was made to destroy half the main line mileage of the UK by a minister who derived much of his income from a company involved in building among other things, motorways.  We threw away most of the track that could have been updated for todays needs, even moreso when you consider that trains are amenable to being powered by electricity.
The only people throwing bombs out of aeroplanes today are the US, and we are not currently a target of them, but there are plenty who are planting the things.  Putting all your traffic into one area is not a good idea.
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2009, 09:48:48 PM »

and all flights to Australia are over booked not just at Christmas

What does that tell us?  :o {-) {-)

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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2009, 10:30:53 PM »

and all flights to Australia are over booked not just at Christmas

What does that tell us?  :o {-) {-)

Peter.

They need empty planes in AUS to bring more of you lot over  O0

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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2009, 10:48:06 PM »

Ssshhh!  Proteus  -  or they may realise that we're STILL sending out convicts   {-) {-) {-)

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« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2009, 01:22:53 AM »

Ssshhh!  Proteus  -  or they may realise that we're STILL sending out convicts   {-) {-) {-)

Is THAT what they are?  :o  %% I thought they were all refugees from Gordon Brown  ;)

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« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2009, 01:39:27 AM »

You mean him







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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2009, 11:07:11 AM »

hi guys
lets bring this post back down to a sensible level
how many of you tree huggers went to last weeks meeting at the Beck theatre you know the meeting about the 3rd runway the meeting attended by Bozo the clown this fool is behind the idea that we build a new airport in the thames estuary cost 20 BILLION at todays prices so that would be about 60 BILLION at completion if the Olympics is anything to go by 4 BILLION at the start now running at 9 BILLION completion i guess about 20 BILLION 3rd runway 9 BILLION at least somebody is going to use the 3rd runway just look at the greek Olympic site.
runway in the thames just think of the cost erosion
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Re: heathrow wins out
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2009, 11:13:43 AM »

An airport in the estuary could be a great opportunity for looking at new and innovative transport links to and from it. For example to save disruption to existing infrastructure something suspended above the river?
A real opportunity to think outside the box.
Money well spent.
See these
http://www.kansai-airport.or.jp/en/map/swf/index.html
http://www.airport-technology.com/proje ... new21.html

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« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2009, 02:45:55 PM »

hello
just think about the large camps that will need to be build both kent and essex sides of the estuary both for workman housing and construction.
plus all the new housing for the workers that will eventually work there perhaps this could be on a green field site.
the new roads that will have to be built for the same.
where is all the rock going to come from to build this new island the rock alone cannot be enviomentaly friendly all the transporting of the same.
whole new roads and rail links will have to be built that means more not in my back yard protests.
only 1 new rail link needs to be built and a few service roads for heathrow 3.
and what does something suspended above the river mean?
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« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2009, 06:38:34 PM »

Extend the Euro tunnle link and builld the ruddy air port in France!!!
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« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2009, 08:24:38 PM »

Ssshhh!  Proteus  -  or they may realise that we're STILL sending out convicts   {-) {-) {-)

Danny


Not funny. I have just been told that six Antipodean relatives are going to descend on us from July to August.  :o  :o  :o. I don't mind the fact that they will sniff out and consume all my beer in the first day but last time I caught one of them diluting my 25 year old malt whisky with Coca Cola. Think Toesupwa will lend me his blunderbus?  >:-o  >>:-(

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