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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2009, 08:08:57 PM »

As It's Been Mentioned And I Totally Agree....Building A Model Of A Ship/Tug Etc You Should Try Your Best To Get Alot Of It Working.... That's Just Me Personally
Building The Eldergarth With A Difference I Can't Do Everything All At Once (Job Hunting) So I Have Decided The Small intricate Stuff 1st And During Her Life She'll Have Upgrades Until I'm Happy With What I've Done
Lights, Working Bowthruster & Working Deck Winches With The Latter To Be Powered Hopefully Soon After
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2009, 10:08:28 PM »

Hello

I agree with you Brian some time model mast looks like xmas three with "free lance" light BUT I don't agree with you with this

 but I'm a little nonplussed by the pic of a tug showing towing lights  AND the "hampered vessel" lights. (Red-white-red). Can't have both at the same time!

As it's on the manual to have the towing light + red-white-red.  When for example you have a tow and you can't change heading. It's also the case for a slavage tug connecting the lines.



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i take it by that then, white-white-white + red-white-red is used when towing a disabled vessel into harbor or a dumb barge, where as the 3 whites would be used when assisting a ship that still has its engines running ?
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2009, 10:18:03 PM »

3 whites, I have a tow of more than 600 feet (200 metres) 2 whites less than 600 feet (200 metres)
red-white-red I have restricted movement.
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2009, 10:26:54 PM »

basically according to pic "i am towing a vessel over 600 feet in length, its dead in the water and so i cant manouvre easily, YOU keep clear of me, get close at your peril"
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2009, 10:28:37 PM »

We use red-white-red to show we have restricted manoeuverability when were dredging.  We're still moving, up 3 or 4 knots with the tide with us and down to a knot or less going against the tide
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2009, 10:32:00 PM »

We use red-white-red to show we have restricted manoeuverability when were dredging.  We're still moving, up 3 or 4 knots with the tide with us and down to a knot or less going against the tide

just that if you turn, you'll break the dredge head.

Nord Icelandia shines the red white red when her side scan goes into the water at night, her main mast and foremast lights as well as her side lights remain on as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im8gdH83lNw



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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2009, 10:37:36 PM »

We use red-white-red to show we have restricted manoeuverability when were dredging.  We're still moving, up 3 or 4 knots with the tide with us and down to a knot or less going against the tide

just that if you turn, you'll break the dredge head.

Nord Icelandia shines the red white red when her side scan goes into the water at night, her main mast and foremast lights as well as her side lights remain on as well

Oh no were keep the draghead on the bottom all the time, it keeps the speed down when the tides with us and helps the ship turn quicker and sharper, we need to as some of the areas are quite small so we need to turn quick, never had any problems and never broke a draghead yet :-))
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2009, 10:41:52 PM »

like a skier using his poles?
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2009, 10:42:48 PM »

sailing at EPIC centre 2008 with the then glitter tube version of the side scan, I noticed just how much of an effect that the sidescan had on the ship, simply turning the ship became a challenge, and that was with 12 feet of line spooled off the back.  Lord only knows how a full size ship copes with 2km of wire out the back!!
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2009, 11:05:31 PM »

Fascinating how one thing segues into another!
X-Tians post is surely of a very old layout. By its very definition a tug with 3 white lights showing is obviously "hampered" as far as "getting out of the way" is concerned. Both sets of lights (by themselves) indicate that the ship showing them would have some difficulty getting out of the way. One set of lights is enough. An example of this would be fishing boats. If you follow X-tians example then why don't fishing vessels show both the fishing lights and the red-white-red ones? Similarly with minesweepers. They have specialised light arrangements. The list goes on. One set of lights to indicate to others what the vessel in question is doing should be sufficient to inform any other competent seaman of the situation. BY.
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2009, 11:07:57 PM »

also I have put it so that when the A-frame returns to rest, the restricted manouvrability lights go out :)
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2009, 07:10:03 AM »

Hello

X-Tians post is surely of a very old layout. By its very definition a tug with 3 white lights showing is obviously "hampered" as far as "getting out of the way" is concerned. Both sets of lights (by themselves) indicate that the ship showing them would have some difficulty getting out of the way. One set of lights is enough

Yes the image look's old but it's from the actual official manual with last update in 2004.  And NO both sets of light don't indicate that the ship have difficulties : the towing lights are regular ones showing the connection between both ships and don't indicate any difficulties.

The "difficulty" or "I can't changed my heading" is indicated with the red-white-red.

As said above, a salvage tug connecting the line show both sets and then when the convoy is running "normaly" : the tug is showing only the towing lights.

An offshore vessel is on the same case when working as anchor handler : the connection is showed with the towing lights and the "I can't change my heading" is showed with the red-white-red.  

I've also seen that use of both sets of light for harbor tugs when connecting the line.

I'm not sure if fishing vessel and minesweepers can also show red-white-red but for dreggers and even if they have specialized light arrangement they also show the red-white-red



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This one is a typical example of Xmas three  {:-{  but the modeler looks happy with her ... so everything is right  :embarrassed:

A+ Xtian


PS :  Maybe you prefer US Coast Guard manual than french one ?  (please notice the same rule number 24 and 27 ... of course there is the same international rule  {-))

An example of less than 200 meter tow + red-white-red

 

 

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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2009, 08:37:16 AM »

Whilst on the subject of towing lights versus red-white-red sequence, I seem to remember that normal towing lights are from two points abaft the beam, through the bow to two points abaft the beam on the opposite side, whereas red-white-red setup is allround? Surely a good enough reason to wear both sets at times.

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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2009, 08:44:43 AM »

Apart form breaking the Law (as written down in the International Regs etc....)

Sorry if it's a daft question, but what law is it that says you can't put lights on a model boat? Is it dangerous or something?
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2009, 12:36:26 PM »

Jim, its just a member being a bit uberteknikalich by saying it is illegal for boats to have lights on in day light, (full size ones), and therefore it is "technally" wrong for a model to display them in daylight.

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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2009, 02:35:11 PM »

I've never seen anywhere thats says its illegal for real ships to have their nav lights on during the day, we do all the time and if i'm working on the IOW ferries, they have theirs on during the day even if the boats shift is in daylight hours, the lights are on.

The bulbs (lamps) will last longer if they stay on all the time.  Same with radars unless were alongside for a tide they on all the time.
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2009, 03:08:56 PM »

Hello

I fully agree with you Capt Jack, and sometime in some place there is no sun and even no daylight during the day  <:(

But from the reply 21 from Brian I had understood that it was to sail with our models which was forbidden at night  : Apart from that our license prohibits night sailing.

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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2009, 07:12:35 PM »

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Apart from that our license prohibits night sailing.

I think he just means that the club isn't permitted to sail at night by the local authority which owns the water. They don't want all these suspicious characters lurking around in the dark whether they are illuminated or not....

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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2009, 07:20:53 PM »

Hello

There is no more license in France and the pond is my own  ;D

Still license for RC in UK ?

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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2009, 07:59:09 PM »


Tynemouth Lake is in Tynemouth
By famous Newcastle city;
The river Tyne, deep and wide,
Washes its wall on the southern side;
A pleasanter spot you never spied;
But, when begins my ditty,

I feel its quite a pity
To see the townsfolk suffer so
Because navigation lights seem to be no go

lights!?"   The Tynemouth Committee man
(With the Corporation as he sat,)
Looking at the Navvie lights oer yonder like that
Hey I think I see a LIGHT!

Come in Bryan the Mayor did sigh
And in he did come with the strangest sigh!
His queer long coat from heel to head
was lit up green or was it red
And he himself was tall and thin,
With a model of the Northumbria under his chin
With sharp blue eyes, each like a pin,
And light loose hair, yet swarthy skin,

But lips where smiles went out and inó
Especially when he made a din
To ban navigation lights in Tynemouth would be a sin

 
He advanced to the council-table:
And, "Please your honours," said he, "I'm able,
By means of a secret charm, to draw
All creatures living beneath the sun,
That creep or swim or fly or run,
In the algae filled lake is no fun
And I chiefly use my charm
On creatures that do people harm,
The mole and toad and newt and viper;
And people call me the Master Mariner."



 :P   sorry couldnt resist  %% %%
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2009, 06:05:42 PM »


Tynemouth Lake is in Tynemouth
By famous Newcastle city;
The river Tyne, deep and wide,
Washes its wall on the southern side;
A pleasanter spot you never spied;
But, when begins my ditty,

I feel its quite a pity
To see the townsfolk suffer so
Because navigation lights seem to be no go

lights!?"   The Tynemouth Committee man
(With the Corporation as he sat,)
Looking at the Navvie lights oer yonder like that
Hey I think I see a LIGHT!

Come in Bryan the Mayor did sigh
And in he did come with the strangest sigh!
His queer long coat from heel to head
was lit up green or was it red
And he himself was tall and thin,
With a model of the Northumbria under his chin
With sharp blue eyes, each like a pin,
And light loose hair, yet swarthy skin,

But lips where smiles went out and inó
Especially when he made a din
To ban navigation lights in Tynemouth would be a sin

 
He advanced to the council-table:
And, "Please your honours," said he, "I'm able,
By means of a secret charm, to draw
All creatures living beneath the sun,
That creep or swim or fly or run,
In the algae filled lake is no fun
And I chiefly use my charm
On creatures that do people harm,
The mole and toad and newt and viper;
And people call me the Master Mariner."



 :P   sorry couldnt resist  %% %%
Very good!
Remind me where I bought the coat. I need a new one that isn't covered with recently aquired odure. Binns maybe? BY.
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2009, 06:18:35 PM »

I've never seen anywhere thats says its illegal for real ships to have their nav lights on during the day, we do all the time and if i'm working on the IOW ferries, they have theirs on during the day even if the boats shift is in daylight hours, the lights are on.

The bulbs (lamps) will last longer if they stay on all the time.  Same with radars unless were alongside for a tide they on all the time.
Although not specifically said, it is implied. Lights shall be shown from sunset to sunrise ( except in conditions etc. etc.). I suppose you could argue that leaving the nav lights on all day is not against the law, but....at the same time the "law" states only that the lights shall be shown from sunset to sunrise. Never really had this discussion before, but on reflection you may have a point. As I have just said, there are 2 ways of looking at this point, and it could possibly make for an interesting legal argument. Of course, if Volvo began building ships then their offerings would be permanently ablaze with lights. Interesting couple of points. BY.
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2009, 06:31:57 PM »

Sorry Bryan, but there is NO legal argument at all, not even a debate.......The simple fact is that in law the lights can be on anytime, but must be on between sunset and sunrise!! {:-{ {:-{
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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2009, 06:32:45 PM »

I've noticed that some ferries frequently have their navigation lights on in daylight, even in good visibility conditions.

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Re: Lights and other gizmos
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2009, 07:09:17 PM »

Hello

Some bulbs are more fragile during "on/off" and "off/on" time and it's better to leave it on 24 hours a day.  It was an argument from a chief engineer aboard of a ship I was.

I have to say that in case of bulb replacement an engineer have to go on top of the mast ... so they do what they want !

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