Topic: Build the Bismarck - a "Hachett" job? (Read 1388793 times)

marki53 · « **Reply #475 on:** July 11, 2007, 06:46:17 pm »

Quote from: Daryl on July 11, 2007, 06:36:28 pm

its nice to know what is going to happen , read carefully what Hachette send. Issue 21 is only the tip of the iceburg. Still not long to wait.

I am not commenting on deviating from hachette's instructions just make sure you know what you and they are doing.
Daryl

i know what i'm doing - but i'm not so sure about hachette

if you follow their instructions for the 2nd planking, then you'll receive a wonderful

separation edge (between hull and deck) on the outside

of the hull.
with my custom-made planking up to the deck this edge lies inside the hull, just where the deck veneer ends.
so this way of planking makes the edge invisible and more waterproof

markus

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #476 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:00:31 pm »

Martin, I've always favoured the gumstrip approach as it is easy to use. Resin and GRP tissue is fine but does require a lot more rubbing down. The beauty of gumstrip is that it shrinks very slightly as it dries to give a really smooth finish. You can use just water to stick it on but I prefer a weakish Cascamite (now marketed as Extramite) mix which effectively bonds the gumstrip to the wood hull with a waterproof seal. I then "paint" over it with shellac solution (button polish will do). It only needs a few very thin coats. Then you just rub down with very fine abrasive paper and finish with any paint you prefer. My Granada model (the white one) used laquer paint around 30 years ago, had several years hard regatta use and has spent the rest of its life in a case. No problems with the hull at all. My unfinished Brenda used Halfords acrylic spray paints over the shellac.

herby · « **Reply #477 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:02:34 pm »

Not sure ar we talking abought same thing but,

Best solution to avoid that huge crack, at shorter strips, is to cut them different leinght. Lets say that first strip is 40cm, second is 30cm, 3th is 20cm, 4th is 10cm and 5th is again 40cm, 6th 30cm and so-on... Only problem when u make full lenght strips is that front and end have huge tension(is tension right word?) and middle at strip can rip of at bulkhead. Try avoid long strips. Specially at firts planking. If u plank second layer, whit thinner strips, this is not so big deal.

marki53 · « **Reply #478 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:06:21 pm »

Quote from: herby on July 11, 2007, 07:02:34 pm

Best solution to avoid that huge crack, at shorter strips, is to cut them different leinght. Lets say that first strip is 40cm, second is 30cm, 3th is 20cm, 4th is 10cm and 5th is again 40cm, 6th 30cm and so-on... Only problem when u make full lenght strips is that front and end have huge tension(is tension right word?) and middle at strip can rip of at bulkhead. Try avoid long strips. Specially at firts planking. If u plank second layer, whit thinner strips, this is not so big deal.

i know - that's why i used those long strips only for the 2nd planking

markus

herby · « **Reply #479 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:04:32 pm »

Quote from: marki53 on July 11, 2007, 07:06:21 pm

Quote from: herby on July 11, 2007, 07:02:34 pm
Best solution to avoid that huge crack, at shorter strips, is to cut them different leinght. Lets say that first strip is 40cm, second is 30cm, 3th is 20cm, 4th is 10cm and 5th is again 40cm, 6th 30cm and so-on... Only problem when u make full lenght strips is that front and end have huge tension(is tension right word?) and middle at strip can rip of at bulkhead. Try avoid long strips. Specially at firts planking. If u plank second layer, whit thinner strips, this is not so big deal.

i know - that's why i used those long strips only for the 2nd planking

markus

Ye i thought so. Just want to say it that no one else do it.

HS93 (RIP) · « **Reply #480 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:42:18 pm »

Any idea what this tool is Martin seems to use one a lot, He hangs it around his neck and I think it stops the glue from dripping on the table . any idea where you can get them.??????

Peter

He He

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #481 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:49:17 pm »

I think it's some sort of radioactivity warning device...

Captain Povey · « **Reply #482 on:** July 11, 2007, 09:02:49 pm »

For me this is the eveready automatic bench wipe. As you lean over the model to inspect the far side it automatically wipes any glue paint etc from the near side. I have also seen them in offices where the can function as a coffee/tea wipe. :)

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #483 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:13:53 pm »

Correct Captain Povey, my auto tea/coffee/gravy absorbing device.... one size fits all. Patent void.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #484 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:31:42 pm »

So, if you lean over your coffee is it a cup tie?

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #485 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:47:34 pm »

.... Colin is on top form tonight!

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #486 on:** July 11, 2007, 11:22:20 pm »

Yeah, got my new PC working - you're widescreen Martin!

Daryl · « **Reply #487 on:** July 12, 2007, 11:36:24 am »

I have come across this statement from Hachette.

Hachette is currently investigating the points raised via the German & UK web forums but would like to stress that they work with one of the most renown model specialists in Europe, Amati. Amati's experts have worked with original Blohm & Voss drawings as well as reference books to produce a very high quality 1:200 model.

Regarding the specific point raised about the anchor, Germany gives 2 pieces in issue 21 and 23 which allow you to easily position the anchor. This approach is consistent with the level of details and accuracy you can expect for an 1:200 scale model. However, Hachette Partworks will offer an alternative option by giving an extra piece in issue 35, which can be used instead of the pieces given with issue 21 & 23, and which will make the model look even closer to the actual ship. All the information will be detailed with an insert in issue 21.

In the meantime, Hachette hopes you continue to enjoy building the model.

Down below · « **Reply #488 on:** July 13, 2007, 08:21:21 am »

It seems Amati/Hachette are listening :)

So we cant now assume that the german previews are what is coming to the UK as issue 35 now disproves that

Down below · « **Reply #489 on:** July 13, 2007, 03:16:06 pm »

Marki

Would you know if any more problems have come to light in the latest issues out in Germany?

marki53 · « **Reply #490 on:** July 13, 2007, 03:30:57 pm »

Quote from: Down below on July 13, 2007, 03:16:06 pm

Marki

Would you know if any more problems have come to light in the latest issues out in Germany?

no, maybe because we're building 'only' the superstructure at the moment.
we only had missing parts in iss. 43 (hachette said: packing mistake

)
these shall be delivered with iss 46...

but there will be further problems to come.
looking forward

to their r/c components
maybe with middle prop glued to the resin part ?

just read in their 'preferential offer' that their r/c set contains a 6V/4,5Ah battery
these specs sound a bit like 'lead acid battery' (hope i'm wrong, posted in mark's forum why these shouldn't be used)

markus

Down below · « **Reply #491 on:** July 13, 2007, 03:58:19 pm »

That is good news at least the superstructure is not throwing any problems yet.

Yes the middle prop shaft will be simply glued into place, maybe the idea is you are to spin the centre prop by hand to give the effect

Did you change you deck to a thinner one as some are saying it is too thick?

marki53 · « **Reply #492 on:** July 13, 2007, 04:00:09 pm »

no, don't care about 2mm too much...(3mm instead of 1mm deck)

markus

Down below · « **Reply #493 on:** July 13, 2007, 04:05:05 pm »

I agree but they were saying it caused other problems further down the line.

marki53 · « **Reply #494 on:** July 13, 2007, 05:31:26 pm »

Quote from: Down below on July 13, 2007, 04:05:05 pm

I agree but they were saying it caused other problems further down the line.

the only problem with a 3mm deck is the anchor pocket location, but that's something i can accept because even with a 1mm deck this position isn't accurate

markus

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #495 on:** July 16, 2007, 04:19:10 pm »

Over the last few weeks I've noticed quite a few magazines sets and parts builds for sale on ebay Germany.... funnily enough, all around the isse 30 - 40......Why is that?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bismarck-Hachette-1-200-Schlachtschiff-Ausgabe-1-31_W0QQitemZ180140146164QQihZ008QQcategoryZ81159QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Modellbau-Schiffe-bismarck-1-200-hachette_W0QQitemZ160137887497QQihZ006QQcategoryZ9145QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hachette-Die-Bismarck-1-bis-31-Heft13-incl-org-Ordner_W0QQitemZ150136535953QQihZ005QQcategoryZ9145QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bismarck-Hachette-1-200-Schlachtschiff-Ausgabe-1-31_W0QQitemZ180134665777QQihZ008QQcategoryZ81159QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Down below · « **Reply #496 on:** July 16, 2007, 04:29:16 pm »

Maybe it is because of all the bad vibes coming from Germany re the accuracy & build problems being associated with this kit?
Even the webmaster of the leading German Bismarck build forum has commented that many over there have said they would ditch the kit on ebay because of what they have found and they are only at issue 44, lets hope Hachette have got it sorted for the UK!

Mind you, I suppose if you get it into perspective then a few dozen dropping out of what is being banded around in Germany as being 20,000 there that have bought into this kit, then I dont think Hachette will be loosing any sleep over this, though they might if off loading this kit gather's pace, no evidence of this yet in the UK other than the odd issue or two appearing on ebay

marki53 · « **Reply #497 on:** July 16, 2007, 05:22:02 pm »

i guess it's those people who have given up, most of them will be beginners who thoght they would make it after hachette offered this kit as 'easy to build'...

markus

Down below · « **Reply #498 on:** July 16, 2007, 05:23:37 pm »

In that case they should be asking for there money back

Daryl · « **Reply #499 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:02:28 pm »

Martin just wondering but;

A/ are you going to have a fleet of them hence the interst
B/ spares incase you mucked anything up
C/ resign from the Hachette fan club and abandon this excellent travisty for a kit

P.s. have you noticed anything odd about the symetry of resin part D

Daryl

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