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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2012, 03:03:30 PM »

Does anyone know what the tubing type structure if used for ?
It somewhat reminds me of the type of hand rails along the chine of lifeboats (probably for when it is capsized keel-up, or as a stepping aid).
But this seems a little far-fetched for a Venecian water taxi, doesn't it?
On the other hand, the sacrificial anode right in front of it could support your assumption of some sort of cooling duct, maybe?

Btw, do you know of a source for plans of a Vaparetto?
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2012, 03:26:35 PM »

Ken recently showed a Gry Maritha photo with protected external cooling,
but this seems completey unprotected and the diameter doesn't seem great.

Is it a safety grab rail in case of a capsize? - only my guess mind you.

Dave

Ha - just modifying this after posting to say I should have read the last post properly :embarrassed:
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2012, 03:51:10 PM »

Could they protect the bows from underwater obstacles? Are they on both sides?
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2012, 04:03:36 PM »

Could possibly be a serious peril for boat traffic on Venice's canals if the locals dump their trash and scrap through the windows %)
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2012, 04:08:23 PM »

My guess would be some version of keel cooling
 as has beenoffered as a solution.
They would need to be on the turn of the bilge
to be in reach in the event of a capsize.

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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2012, 04:23:53 PM »

It somewhat reminds me of the type of hand rails along the chine of lifeboats (probably for when it is capsized keel-up, or as a stepping aid).
But this seems a little far-fetched for a Venecian water taxi, doesn't it?
On the other hand, the sacrificial anode right in front of it could support your assumption of some sort of cooling duct, maybe?

Btw, do you know of a source for plans of a Vaparetto?


Hi.

Try Gilberto Penzo here ..  www.veniceboats.com

Mike.
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2012, 05:02:20 PM »

Could possibly be a serious peril for boat traffic on Venice's canals if the locals dump their trash and scrap through the windows %)

Hi.

The Venetians certainly do not dump their scrap and trash into the canals.

The only people that do are the tourists, the British in particular are very good at it.

Please don't decry the local Venetians, particularly if you have no knowledge of Venice and its people.
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2012, 06:01:57 PM »

The Venetians certainly do not dump their scrap and trash into the canals.
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Please don't decry the local Venetians, particularly if you have no knowledge of Venice and its people.
I never meant to.
Instead I am convinced that they have a working and well accepted system of garbage collection, most likely waterborne as well.
Wouldn't that be an interesting model to build, a Venetian garbage collection launch, if such exists?
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2012, 06:36:14 PM »

I never meant to.
Instead I am convinced that they have a working and well accepted system of garbage collection, most likely waterborne as well.
Wouldn't that be an interesting model to build, a Venetian garbage collection launch, if such exists?


The Venetians do have an excellent method of collecting the househod rubbish, its the same as ours except that the bin lorry is a boat.

Also, they have, and unfortunately have to have, an equivalent to the your local council litter picker, it's a purpose built craft with a scoop at the front, rather like a Bobcat here.

It would certainly make a very good and unique modelling project.

What an absolutely perfect job to have, pottering up and down the most beautiful highway in the world, picking up fizzy drinks cans and other rubbish thrown carelessly into the water.

I would sign up for that tomorrow, no , this minute wouldn't be soon enough.
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2012, 10:09:56 AM »

Here is a picture of the stern gear of the 80 series Vappi.

I'm going to try to reproduce it on my model, (complete with anodes, possibly home made)

Have also started to fashion a motor mount to accommodate the gearbox, it will be side mounted as unfortunately it can't be mounted upright due to insufficient distance to the underside of the deck.

Have started on the rudder which has 4mm bore tube going 2/3rd of the way down from the top and then 3.5mm to the bottom forming a socket for the bottom bearing / support structure.

Eventually all the bracketry will be silver soldered to the propshat tube

The motor and shaft line up nicely but the central offset needs a 6.5mm spacer to bring into alignment, handy that, as I have some Birch ply exactly that thick.

Mike.

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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2012, 03:22:19 PM »

have you started gluing it yet last time i read you were dry fitting stuff.

whats an anode?
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2012, 03:39:46 PM »

Here you are Mike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anode
On real boats the anode is sacrificed to preserve the hull.

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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2012, 03:55:07 PM »

Hi Mike.

Have just glued in some of the frames, the ones that don't appear above the main deck, as per photo.

The top sections of the others are above the deck so need grain filling before I fit them.

The Anodes are the silver blobs that are shown on the rudder and in front of the piping on the hull.

On the full size boats they are usually made of Zinc and replaceable when eaten away by the salt water and electrolysis.

Mine will be purely for show but I am trying to reproduce the full size Vappi as accurately as my skills will allow.

Can't understand for the life of me why my simple question as to where I might buy these should only receive one helpful straight answer.

Mike.


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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2012, 05:57:02 PM »

Sorry Mike, I really didn't know where you could buy them.
I've only seen them used on the 'Deadliest Catch' build and I'm pretty sure he made his own..... but I could be wrong.
They add a little interest to the plain canvas of a hull so I'm all for seeing them

Dave
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2012, 06:54:48 PM »

Sorry Mike, I really didn't know where you could buy them.
I've only seen them used on the 'Deadliest Catch' build and I'm pretty sure he made his own..... but I could be wrong.
They add a little interest to the plain canvas of a hull so I'm all for seeing them

Dave
Hi Dave.

I followed the link to the German site and they have some really great ones in several scale sizes.

The price is excellent, for my 1/25 scale they want 5.75 for 10 made in Zinc.

The downside is the P&P is another 5.00 which makes them far to expensive on their own but have downloaded the catalogue so may get some other bits and bobs which will dilute the postage.

Please don't give a thought to the other post.

Regards.

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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2012, 07:21:04 PM »

What a lovely model to build  :-)) Keep the pictures coming!
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2012, 04:46:36 PM »

Hi all, second time of trying to upload this post, first was the now inevitable "Gateway timeout"

Mod, if this does duplicate can you delete one of them ?  Ta.

No building today as I am awaiting the delivery of some items for the build, but, thought that I might post a couple of pictures just to keep the thread alive.

The first photo is of the very latest series of the Vaporetti, B&W unfortunately.

It is a Caterpillar turned into a Butterfly. Rather more like a Grayhound I feel, but nothing stands in the way of progress is suppose.

The second one is of an example that I want to try to reproduce, not exactly of course as my limited skills won't allow this.

I like the scruffy one, tell me what you think ?

Mike.

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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2012, 05:04:52 PM »

clean one is easier to paint scruffy one looks better. what addional skills would be needed to the make the second one that isnt required on the first? apart from a dribble of rust? You need to chuck a few empty crisp packets and coke bottles on board, busted seats and a bit of grafiti on the back.  %% UKMIKE WOZ ERE INNIT 2012

sent you a pm mike btw
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2012, 06:44:44 PM »

I too prefer the latter for the build.
You've mastered pristine Mike so maybe it's time to gety dirty on a working boat?

I've been to Venice twice, but not for 25 years now, my recollection is that it was
very clean everywhere I went - the food was to die for. Time I went again O0

Dave
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2012, 09:14:05 PM »

Hi All.

Have had to put this Blog on hold for a little while as I have a problem to fix on the Aquarama.

Have posted info on that thread.

Mike.
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2012, 04:58:32 PM »

Back to the Vaporetto now that the Aquarama problem is solved.

Started making the matrix for the electronic destination board x 2.

Made them oversized so that I can cut them to a final size that looks about right.

0.7mm holes at 1mm centres about 500 or so I think.

Some photos of the drilling and finished matrix with the optical fibres that may be used.

Also a picture of the real thing.

Mike.

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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2012, 05:40:09 PM »

Can you not get a commercial display board of the correct size for an electronics supply company?
Otherwise, very well done. Looks fiddly to me.
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2012, 09:57:51 PM »

crikey thats a lot of holes %%. Funny how you buy in sacrifcial anodes that can be made simply in a matter of minutes but then go all out scratch build a fully operating display board! talk about one extreme to the other well done :-)).

nice bit if gear you got there too, can you mill with it?
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2012, 10:20:13 PM »

crikey thats a lot of holes %%. Funny how you buy in sacrifcial anodes that can be made simply in a matter of minutes but then go all out scratch build a fully operating display board! talk about one extreme to the other well done :-)).

nice bit if gear you got there too, can you mill with it?

Hi Mike.

The compound table calibration is super accurate but the drill stand would only allow very light milling I think, sufficient for the materials that I will use tho'.

Haven't bought the anodes yet, may well make them.  ok2  ok2

M.
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Re: Venetian Vaporetto Build
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2012, 10:23:44 PM »

Can you not get a commercial display board of the correct size for an electronics supply company?
Otherwise, very well done. Looks fiddly to me.

Have really looked everywhere to buy commercial ones, believe me, but no joy so had to resort to making them.

Mike.
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