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Re: Thunder Tiger VICTORIA yacht build - Ideal for non yachtsmen!
« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2007, 09:32:10 AM »

I'm just rebuilding my Victoria's radio box. I'm replacing the Futaba S3010 servo with a ( MG995 )

.... can anyone give me guidance on yachts and battery selection?
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« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2007, 11:34:58 AM »

I'd go with 5x consumer type NiMH cells, 2,500 mAh capacity approx. That'd be enough for a day's sailing.
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« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2009, 05:55:18 PM »

Just a quick question re this model.
Should the two halves of the mast be permanently joined or are they meant to be in two sections for transport etc.
Cheers, John
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Re: Thunder Tiger VICTORIA yacht build - Ideal for non yachtsmen!
« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2009, 07:53:19 PM »


I permanently fixed mine as rigging and de-rigging takes too long during lunch hour!
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« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2009, 08:43:27 PM »

Thanks Martin.
One more dumb question.........does the gosseneck fitting get glued to the mast or is in meant to slide up and down only held by rigging.
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Re: Thunder Tiger VICTORIA yacht build - Ideal for non yachtsmen!
« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2009, 10:49:00 PM »

Section 8. 10 of the instructions says:
Attach the main boom to the main mast with pin (52) as shown in drawing A.
  Secure the gooseneck fittings with epoxy when finished.


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« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2009, 11:36:13 PM »

Hi Martin,
I have read that bit in the instructions but am not sure what it means. I have glued the pin but what about the "ring" that is on the mast that holds the gooseneck. Is that epoxied to the mast in a fixed position or does it slide? I am probably stupid  but I guess it does not move on the mast but would like to know for sure before I glue it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John :-X
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« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2009, 01:17:59 AM »

Hi Langsford

On mine I glued the goosneck to the mast using epoxy. A smear of glue will crack very quicly and the gooseneck become mobile. And so I used a dollop, so that there is a a blob of glue around the goosneck above it. This will not crack.

The mast I did not glue the two halves together. If it a joint that is under compression so no problem.
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Re: Thunder Tiger VICTORIA yacht build - Ideal for non yachtsmen!
« Reply #58 on: June 22, 2009, 01:20:28 AM »


Position the bottom ring (46) to the right height [43mm] and glue.

Sit boom end (48) on top of (46) lower

Place glue on mast and slide down upper ring (46) on top of (48) leaving the tiniest of gaps to allow it to swing.

Slide in pin (52) check alignment and and allow to set.

BTW: I roughened the mast with sandpaper and used thick superglue.



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« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2009, 05:15:09 PM »

Thanks guys, that answere my question perfectly. John  O0
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« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2009, 04:01:29 PM »

Hi

I am after a little advice here if possible.

I have read a lot about the Victoria and the sail servos that may be used with her.
However it is still not clear to me if I need a servo that has 140+ deg throw or 90 deg throw?
I am proposing to do the mod with the seperate rudder servo and the double arm for the sail servo.

The servo that seems very popular is the Hitec 645mg (Good Cost - 90 deg, I have also found that some people recommend modifying this to 170 deg throw and others do not mention it!) and the Fut S3802 (Bad cost and 140 if programmed.)

To make this even more confusing I am also considering the Hitec 815bb, but this is physically much bigger than the others and I am not sure if it would fit in the yacht. (Good cost)

I will probably use a Fleet non computer radio.

I would be very grateful if someone could confirm how much movement I require for a double arm setup and which servos they have actually fitted?

Many thanks
Jules
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Re: Thunder Tiger VICTORIA yacht build - Ideal for non yachtsmen!
« Reply #61 on: August 13, 2009, 04:20:57 PM »

The Victoria is rigged to use a standard 90o servo.
 The clever people use 140o 'cause they are fine tuning / maximizing the boat.

I used a Futaba S1030

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4231.msg41030#msg41030
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« Reply #62 on: August 13, 2009, 05:45:53 PM »

The ordinary Futaba with ball race (3004) that was fitted to mine was just not strong enough to either pull in or hold in when there was enough wind to make it really go, so I got a high torque one, of the same physical size, from Howes (Power HD 2400A).  I had to make a new sail arm from ply, as the splines on the Futaba horn were not a good enough fit, and the arm was unwilling to mount on the new horn due to a large locating lump.  I also had to rewire it as the existing wiring harness had passed its sell-by date with the increased demand of the new servo.
It has a 90 throw, but I rigged it so that fullest out is at 90 to the centreline, and fully in is facing forward.  This is not as the instructions show, but I feel it gives better pull when close hauling, and probably takes a lot less effort to keep it there.  What is lost in travel is fairly insignificant, as when fully out, the sail brushes the standing rigging.
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Re: Thunder Tiger VICTORIA yacht build - Ideal for non yachtsmen!
« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2009, 06:02:57 PM »


"Velly Interessting Herr Malcolm!"  I've got my radio box out now for a rejig.
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« Reply #64 on: August 13, 2009, 07:23:19 PM »

I put a Futaba S3802 in mine. It is only a little bit bigger the radio tray only needs a little trimning to make it fit.
The S1030 I used gave up the ghost after one season, really not strong enough for windy sailing.
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Re: Thunder Tiger VICTORIA yacht build - Ideal for non yachtsmen!
« Reply #65 on: August 13, 2009, 07:59:45 PM »

....and it runs down the battery hence the interest in Malcolm's setup!
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« Reply #66 on: August 13, 2009, 08:18:23 PM »

I use the standard set up (single sided arm, as per original plans) and get 8-9 hours out of 4 x 1.5v Duracell.
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Re: Thunder Tiger VICTORIA yacht build - Ideal for non yachtsmen!
« Reply #67 on: August 13, 2009, 08:26:28 PM »

Any chance of a picture of your setup TT?
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« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2009, 08:51:57 PM »

Rigging as per standard instruction.

Picture 2 I notice the gib sheet crosses over another line where it shouldn't.

Pic 4 inside.
I needed to enlarge the hole in the top of the radio tray by about 3-4mm, in front of the sail servo only, in order to fit the larger item.
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« Reply #69 on: August 13, 2009, 09:32:24 PM »

Hi,

I've modified my Victoria similar to that used by the OSMA in Canada.

http://www.okanaganmodelsailboat.org/Index1.html

Check here for more info (Sorry if I'm repeating an existing link on here). I've kept the original mast though.

I'm using the double sail arm from the instructions above with a Hitec 645MG servo and get sufficient
travel to cater for both sails.

I hope this is of help.
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« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2009, 09:55:16 PM »

Hi

Thank you all for your comments and replies, very much appreciated.

I will go with the 645MG servo at normal throws and a double arm as per FC's post and the OMSA website.

The bit that has confused me is shown in the following link:
http://www.sailbakersfield.com/victoria/documents/VictoriaBuildingInst.Illustrated.PDF.pdf

Here they have adjusted the throws of the 645MG to 170 degrees. (Useful mod if someone ever requires it.)

Once again many thanks.
Jules
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« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2011, 03:00:29 PM »

Hi.  I am a complete novice to this hobby of model yacht sailing and have recently built a Voyager 2, but I am not impressed with rigging hooks/snaps supplied with the kit. They are fiddly to hook on to or off deck fastenings when dismantling the mast and rigging for transport. Those on the Victoria look a lot easier to work with. Would some you kind modellers advise me on where I might obtain similar, or at least better than my kit issued ones. Many thanks in anticipation.
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« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2011, 03:24:15 PM »

You might find a nicer snap link in a fishing tackle shop.

Also have a look at sailsetc.com

And I think the name is House Martin Sails.

Both do sailboat fittings.
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« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2011, 03:59:34 PM »

Hi Tiger Tiger.  Much appreciate your suggestion. Have tried my local fisherman's tackle shop, but those he sold were either too big and again very difficult to unlock and lock. My problem really I suppose,is that I have big hands. Raglane.
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« Reply #74 on: April 24, 2011, 02:56:06 AM »

I actually, I never de-rig mine.
It will sit in the rear footwell of any family saloon (canted over on its nose), as well as in the boot/trunk of most cars (lying down). She is robust enough to take this treatment.

Bits will come off, especially where the deck fittings for the shrouds, but after 3rd glueing they stay on. I think this is due to the need to break the surface of the plastic for glueing to take a good hold.
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